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 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:54 am Post subject: The Well From Hell - BP Gulf Coast Oil Gusher |
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Is there already a thread on the Oil Spill Disaster?
Seems like a suitable subject for us:
- Public outpouring for support for Oil drilling "Drill, Baby, Drill"
- Predictable outcome to any oil rig failure...
- Explosion cause unknown
- Halliburton involved
- Non-US company taking the blame: ie BP (cf the Toyota recall events)
- Oil prices bound to rise...
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The fire aboard the Deepwater Horizon reportedly started at 9:45 p.m. CST on April 20, 2010.[20] Survivors described the incident as a sudden explosion which gave them less than five minutes to escape as the alarm went off.[21] Video of the fire shows billowing flames, taller than a multistory building, and a captain of a rescue boat described the heat as so intense that it was melting the paint off the boats.[22] After burning for more than a day, Deepwater Horizon sank on April 22, 2010.[23] The Coast Guard stated to CNN on April 22 that they received word of the sinking at approximately 10:21 AM.[24] At an April 30 press conference, BP said that it did not know the cause of the explosion.[25]
Adrian Rose, a vice president of Transocean, Ltd., said workers had been performing their standard routines with "no indication of any problems" just prior to the explosion.[26] According to a Transocean spokesperson, at the time of the explosion the rig was drilling but was not in production.[27] Production casing was being run and cemented at the time of the accident. Once the cementing was complete, it was due to be tested for integrity and a cement plug set to temporarily abandon the well for later completion as a subsea producer.[28] Halliburton has confirmed that it cemented the Macondo well but never set a cement plug to cap the bore as "operations had not reached a stage where a final plug was needed".[29] A special nitrogen-foamed cement was used which is difficult to handle.[30] Halliburton said that it had finished cementing 20 hours before the fire.[31] According to Transocean executive Adrian Rose, "undoubtedly abnormal pressure" had accumulated inside the marine riser and as it came up it "expanded rapidly and ignited", an event known as a blowout.[28]
According to interviews with rig workers conducted during BP's internal investigation, a bubble of methane gas escaped from the well and shot up the drill column, expanding quickly as it burst through several seals and barriers before exploding.[32]
Transocean chief executive Steven Newman described the cause: "there was a sudden, catastrophic failure of the cement, the casing or both."[30] According to Transocean executive Adrian Rose, "undoubtedly abnormal pressure" accumulated inside the marine riser and as it came up it "expanded rapidly and ignited".[28] The heavy drilling mud in the pipes initially held down the gas of the leaking well. When managers believed they were almost done with the well, they decided to displace the mud with seawater; the gas was then able to overcome the weight of the fluid column and rose to the top.[30] |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | | Sabotage? |
It's difficult to say. This piece implies there were safety problems but more questions than answers. Personally after 9/11, Enron, Goldman Sach's con, and mysterious air crashes, it is difficult not to be suspicious of such large scale failures...
http://news.scotsman.com/news/Faulty-safety-device-39may-have.6290814. jp
| Quote: | Henry Waxman, a California Democrat, said BP had informed his House committee that at some point when the well was being closed with cement, an influx of methane entered the wellhead, indicating that cementing the well had not produced needed pipe integrity.
Mr Waxman, opening a hearing into the 20 April tragedy, said while "we have far more questions than answers" it appeared clear there were problems with the blowout preventers before the accident and confusion almost up to the time of the explosion over the success of the cementing process.
The committee said there were at least "four significant problems with the blowout preventer" used on the drill rig. |
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Sab O'tage? Nah, he's called Darth Cheney
Tantrums in stinking high places, more like...they no longer care a toss, so will attempt to bring everything down around their psychopathic ears, just like always - Sumer; Babylon; TI.ANNA; ... ... ...Berlin; Dresden; <insert bankster provoked atrocity here> ... ... ...Gulf of Mexico, soon to be a disaster of global proportions, thanks to ocean currents; and so it goes, until enough decent people finally awake to their latent power to stop the nightmare.
It was such a gorgeous paradise we all once lived in - shame about that ole reptillian brainstem...
"The "War on Terrorism" for Oil: Folly of the Imperial Oil Adventure. Tolling Bells for Humanity - by Larry Chin"
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19180
which also includes an interesting link to the Times Square fizzler:-
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19026
which in turn heaps more egg (oh, I do wish it were something far less palatable!) on the faces of MIx and the great USuk war machine.
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| scienceplease 2 wrote: | | TonyGosling wrote: | | Sabotage? |
It's difficult to say. This piece implies there were safety problems but more questions than answers. Personally after 9/11, Enron, Goldman Sach's con, and mysterious air crashes, it is difficult not to be suspicious of such large scale failures...
http://news.scotsman.com/news/Faulty-safety-device-39may-have.6290814. jp |
Tony; sabotage. Was this a serious suggestion or just to cause some debate, for which there does not seem to be any evidence.
With BP's appaling record on safety, and continued disregard of the US safety regime (such as it exists), it seems to have been an accident waiting to happen; unless anyone has something other than pure speculation and the involvement of Halliburton.
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| redadare wrote: | | scienceplease 2 wrote: | | TonyGosling wrote: | | Sabotage? |
It's difficult to say. This piece implies there were safety problems but more questions than answers. Personally after 9/11, Enron, Goldman Sach's con, and mysterious air crashes, it is difficult not to be suspicious of such large scale failures...
http://news.scotsman.com/news/Faulty-safety-device-39may-have.6290814. jp |
Tony; sabotage. Was this a serious suggestion or just to cause some debate, for which there does not seem to be any evidence.
With BP's appaling record on safety, and continued disregard of the US safety regime (such as it exists), it seems to have been an accident waiting to happen; unless anyone has something other than pure speculation and the involvement of Halliburton. |
Well compared to the Icelandic Volcano conspiracy (currently occupying six pages of discussion), this is more likely to be a man-made disaster... There are a number of suspicious circumstances, many of them summarized here:
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/06/bp-oil-spill-conspir.html
The real red herring, IMHO, is the N.Korean mini-sub... but I think it is interesting that I have yet to see a list of those that died or a diagram of where the leaks are, or any schematic of how the disaster could have happened. |
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: The Swarm |
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For those of us who read the German novel "The Swarm", this is not surprising at all: Methane ice in the seafloor got unstable during test-drilling, turned into gas which expands 10-20 times in volume, and this gas explosion went upwards and destroyed drilling equipment.
Mess with Mother Earth, (etc).
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:42 am Post subject: Re: The Swarm |
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| TorsteinViddal wrote: | For those of us who read the German novel "The Swarm", this is not surprising at all: Methane ice in the seafloor got unstable during test-drilling, turned into gas which expands 10-20 times in volume, and this gas explosion went upwards and destroyed drilling equipment.
Mess with Mother Earth, (etc). |
Absolutley, Torstein. However this appeared to be quite mature drilling...
| Quote: | | The rig was in the final phases of drilling a well in which casing is cemented in place, reinforcing the well.[10] At approximately 10 p.m. CST on April 20, 2010 (0300 UTC, April 21, 2010), an explosion and fire occurred on the rig.[14] |
BP had recently extended the contract on the rig so must have been reasonably happy with its capabilities... |
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You're quite right. I tried to say it was not in production - pumping oil - when it happened.
Also, the cement reacted chemically, causing heat and thus melting methane ice. And NB: Methane volume expands 140 TIMES, not 10-20.
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"A group of BP executives were on board the rig celebrating the project's safety record when the blowout occurred." 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill#Explosion_and _fire
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"Media ignores Goldman Sachs' ties to Corexit dispersant"
http://www.picassodreams.com/picasso_dreams/2010/05/media-ignores-gold man-sachs-ties-to-corexit-dispersant.html
Isn't this all part of 'depopulation by forced starvation CFR/Heritage' schtick/scheisse ? Just study a detailed ocean curents map to see how many millions this will eventually affect.
Why is Fulford backing the SuchaFool ONI disinfo on this? It's getting very messy 'at the top', IMO.
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I think that perhaps I might be eating my words (casting doubt on the sabotage theory).
| John Byrne, Rawstory wrote: | Transocean had insured the rig for $560 million, but apparently never spent that much money actually building it. The company's CEO told investors on a recent conference call that the firm had book a $270 million "accounting gain" on the difference between the real value of the rig and the amount that they'd insured it for.
Since the rig collapsed, the company said they've already received $401 million from their insurance policy.
The Associated Press also notes that "Transocean moved to Switzerland two years ago to protect its low corporate tax rate, and few in the city had heard of the company, even three weeks after the April 20 blast that resulted in more than 4 million gallons (15 million liters) of oil pouring into the Gulf of Mexico from the well drilled by the BP-leased rig. Eleven workers were killed in the explosion." |
Full story here http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0517/spill-rig-owner-approves-1-billion-di vidend-shareholders/
This Facebook article http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=436447142576 claims that the '10 BP executives on the rig celebrating its success' were in fact Blackwater (Xe). As there has been nothing concrete I can find about the death of BP executives in the blast, this becomes hard to dispute.
And then this.
| Quote: | | NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) - In what is looming as another public relations predicament for Goldman Sachs, the banking giant admitted today that it made "a substantial financial bet against the Gulf of Mexico" one day before the sinking of an oil rig in that body of water. |
Full story (but not much more) here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/goldman-sachs-reveals-it_b _558774.html
Tony; I'm eating my words as we speak!
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Will they connect the oil spill with North Korea and use it as a cassus belli to bomb em?
If not they will tax BP and get money off them as Con-Lib coalition is uneasy about Afghanistan?
May also be used as a way to promote the big business 'green agenda' the world over?
The closer we get to economic meltdown the closer we get to diversionary tactics (wars, explosions etc.?) |
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| Quote: | April 20 was a big day for BP PLC and the rig's inhabitants.
The day before, contractors from Halliburton Energy Services Inc. had finished cementing the well's pipes nearly 5,000 feet below the water's surface. Workers were busy setting a second seal at the well head, one of the last steps before the rig could move off, and the exploration well – in an area of the Gulf known as Mississippi Canyon Block 252 – could make the transition to a production well.
BP executives were on board to celebrate that milestone and another achievement – Deepwater Horizon was the first rig to go seven years without a lost-time accident. They were gathered in the living quarters just below the working deck when an enormous bubble of explosive methane gas erupted from the sea floor and rocketed up the drill pipe's 21-inch metal sheath toward the surface. |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/09/deepwater-horizon-explosi_n_5 69522.html
Apparently safety conscious rig, and they were just about to go into production.... I haven't found the reference to Xe (aka Blackwater) staff yet... |
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Could I make a plea for a new thread title here?
'Broken Planet'
And sub-titled 'Thank you, Thule Society, for being the instigator of our mutual demise'
Blackwater? Maybe. Also http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?160396-Israeli-Sub marine-Transits-Suez-Canal
Thule vs Zion - always in parallel, nicht wahr?
and their puppeteers just laugh at the ensuing destruction...
who gave them permission to cr*p in everyone else's sandpile?
I certainly didn't; how about you?
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| Associated Press wrote: | IG report: Meth, porn use by drilling agency staff
By MATTHEW DALY (AP) – 19 hours ago
WASHINGTON — Staff members at an agency that oversees offshore drilling accepted tickets to sports events, lunches and other gifts from oil and gas companies and used government computers to view pornography, according to an Interior Department report alleging a culture of cronyism between regulators and the industry.
In at least one case, an inspector for the Minerals Management Service admitted using crystal methamphetamine and said he might have been under the influence of the drug the next day at work, according to the report by the acting inspector general of the Interior Department.
The report cites a variety of violations of federal regulations and ethics rules at the agency's Louisiana office. Previous inspector general investigations have focused on inappropriate behavior by the royalty-collection staff in the agency's Denver office.
The report adds to the climate of frustration and criticism facing the Obama administration in the monthlong oil spill disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, although it covers actions before the spill. Millions of gallons of oil are gushing into the Gulf, endangering wildlife and the livelihoods of fishermen, as scrutiny intensifies on a lax regulatory climate.
The report began as a routine investigation, the acting inspector general, Mary Kendall, said in a cover letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, whose department includes the agency.
"Unfortunately, given the events of April 20 of this year, this report had become anything but routine, and I feel compelled to release it now," she wrote.
Her biggest concern is the ease with which minerals agency employees move between industry and government, Kendall said. While no specifics were included in the report, "we discovered that the individuals involved in the fraternizing and gift exchange — both government and industry — have often known one another since childhood," Kendall said.
Their relationships took precedence over their jobs, Kendall said.
The report follows a 2007 investigation that revealed what then-Inspector General Earl Devaney called a "culture of ethical failure" and conflicts of interest at the minerals agency.
Salazar called the latest report "deeply disturbing" and said it highlights the need for changes he has proposed, including a plan to abolish the minerals agency and replace it with three new entities.
The report "is further evidence of the cozy relationship between some elements of MMS and the oil and gas industry," Salazar said Tuesday. "I appreciate and fully support the inspector general's strong work to root out the bad apples in MMS."
Salazar said several employees cited in the report have resigned, were fired or were referred for prosecution. Actions may be taken against others as warranted, he said.
Salazar said he has asked Kendall to expand her investigation to look into agency actions since he took office in January 2009.
BP said Tuesday it is briefing federal authorities on the first results of its internal investigation into the accident that started with an oil rig explosion April 20, killing 11, and has turned into an environmental disaster.
The oil company said it is focusing on the blowout preventer — a massive piece of machinery that sits atop the well head and is supposed to act as a safety device of last resort — as well as the cementing and casing of the well head.
White House energy adviser Carol Browner said that BP is complying with the government's request to use less of a toxic dispersant in fighting the spill, but alternative dispersants aren't readily available.
Salazar last week proposed eliminating the Minerals Management Service and replacing it with two bureaus and a revenue collection office. The name Minerals Management Service would no longer exist.
Members of Congress and President Barack Obama have criticized what they call the cozy relationship between regulators and oil companies and have vowed to reform MMS, which both regulates the industry and collects billions in royalties from it.
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As per usual, Greg Palast hits the nail on the head:
http://blog.buzzflash.com/contributors/3238
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GlobalResearch also has an informative article from the TruthOut wallahs, but like most others, fails to mention the ongoing descent into hell via the Niger Delta:-
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19415
"Why Isn't BP Under Criminal Investigation?"
| Quote: | ......West, who Truthout profiled in an investigative report last week about the Bush administration's apparent scuttling of West's criminal probe into BP in 2007, was harshly critical of the way the disaster has been handled by the government. He said in an interview that BP and the oil conglomerate's executives are "known as liars" and the fact that the government has treated "and continues" to treat the company with kid gloves is "outrageous."
"BP is a convicted serial environmental criminal," West said. "So, where are the criminal investigators? The well head is a crime scene and yet the potential criminals are in charge of that crime scene. Have we learned nothing from this company's past behavior?"...... |
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| Quote: | ...government investigators turned up new emails from Goldman employee Fabrice "Fabulous Fab" Tourre in which he bragged to a girlfriend that the firm was taking a "big short" position on the Gulf.
"One oil rig goes down and we're going to be rolling in dough," Mr. Tourre wrote in one email. "Suck it, fishies and birdies!" |
So Goldman made a substantial financial bet against the Gulf of Mexico;
Sold half its BP shares; http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0602/month-oil-spill-goldman-sachs-sold-25 0-million-bp-stock/
And, Halliburton invests in Oil Recovery firms just 8 days before the disaster that they themselves create...
| Quote: | | Just eight days before the uber-Valdez accident, Houston-based Halliburton acquired Boots & Coots Services, also based in Houston, in a $240 million cash and stock deal. Boots & Coots, which uses the graphic of a burning oil well to represent the ampersand in its name, specializes in "pressure control and well intervention services." In other words, when an oil well explodes, Boots & Coots can step in and help remedy the problem. |
http://www.examiner.com/x-38929-Kansas-City-Business-Commentary-Examin er~y2010m5d3-Gulf-oil-well-may-make-for-explosive-profits-for-Hallibur ton
I think there is enough here for a Criminal Conspiracy case... is there a lawyer in the house?
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The proof is not only the share selling BUT ALSO the bet that there will be a disaster in the Gulf region. The combined probability that this was "by chance" are amazingly small.
Meanwhile...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9F8FFT80
| Quote: | The Coast Guard says a crew member from an oil platform that sank off Louisiana reported an initial explosion three hours before the rig went up in flames in a second, larger explosion.
Coast Guard Senior Chief Petty Officer Mike O'Berry says the first blast was reported at 7 p.m. CDT Tuesday.
Later, the rig sent an emergency signal. O'Berry says a nearby rig at the same time reported the Deepwater Horizon was in flames.
He says the rig didn't ask for help during the initial call. The Coast Guard sent help after the emergency signal came.
The Coast Guard is investigating what happened during that three hours. |
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On a more amusing note. Palin, the distributor of the "Drill, Baby, Drill" motto for offshore drilling is blaming the disaster on... er.... the ENVIRONMENTALISTs...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/03/sarah-palin-blames-enviro_n_5 98977.html |
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Who sold first: Hayward or Goldman Sachs?
Meanwhile
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/78062 00/Gulf-of-Mexico-oil-spill-Transocean-silent-as-BP-bears-the-brunt-of -anger.html
| Quote: | | Yet while lambasting BP for even seeking to defend its reputation, Mr Obama has showed no apparent interest in directing similar wrath at (US-owned) Transocean - fuelling suggestions that as a foreign company, BP is simply a convenient whipping boy and a politically easier target. |
Or Halliburton (that probably caused the problem)
Makes this easier to see this event as economic warfare on allies not towing the line (aka Japan (cf the Toyato scandal) on the War on Terror. (eg consequences for UK releasing the torture files perhaps?) |
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| John Byrne, Rawstory wrote: |
The Associated Press also notes that "Transocean moved to Switzerland two years ago to protect its low corporate tax rate, and few in the city had heard of the company, even three weeks after the April 20 blast that resulted in more than 4 million gallons (15 million liters) of oil pouring into the Gulf of Mexico from the well drilled by the BP-leased rig. Eleven workers were killed in the explosion." |
Transocean based in Switzerland, a country with no coastline 
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I wonder how closely Prisonplanet watches the evidence mounting here on this site?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/evidence-points-to-bp-oil-spill-false-flag .html
| Quote: | Troubling evidence surrounding the Deepwater Horizon explosion on April 20th suggests that the incident could have been manufactured.
On April 12th, just over one week before the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded, Halliburton, the world’s second largest oilfield services corporation, surprised some by acquiring Boots & Coots, a relatively small but vastly experienced oil
well control company.
The company deals with fires and blowouts on oil rigs and oil wells. It was responsible for putting out roughly one third of the more than 700 oil well fires set in Kuwait by retreating Iraqi soldiers during the Gulf War.
The deal itself is still under scrutiny with Boots and Coots facing an ongoing investigation into “possible breaches of fiduciary duty and other violations of state law” ... ... ... |
and so on... cui bono time again...
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| Thermate911 wrote: | I wonder how closely Prisonplanet watches the evidence mounting here on this site?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/evidence-points-to-bp-oil-spill-false-flag .html
| Quote: | Troubling evidence surrounding the Deepwater Horizon explosion on April 20th suggests that the incident could have been manufactured.
On April 12th, just over one week before the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded, Halliburton, the world’s second largest oilfield services corporation, surprised some by acquiring Boots & Coots, a relatively small but vastly experienced oil
well control company.
The company deals with fires and blowouts on oil rigs and oil wells. It was responsible for putting out roughly one third of the more than 700 oil well fires set in Kuwait by retreating Iraqi soldiers during the Gulf War.
The deal itself is still under scrutiny with Boots and Coots facing an ongoing investigation into “possible breaches of fiduciary duty and other violations of state law” ... ... ... |
and so on... cui bono time again... |
Well, PrisonPlanet should know better than saying retreating Iraqi soldiers blew up the oil wells in Kuwait - Ian Crane has stated he knows that US Special Forces set these wells alight, so that the Kuwaitis would have to bring in US companies to put them out!!
(Though I don't know if he has stated that on this Forum - he certainly has on one of his videos, and I have heard him tell this at a London meeting. And he was working in the Middle East oilfields at the time).
Remembering that, deliberate sabotage of BP well becomes more of a possibility.
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