Is anti-democratic EU the Fourth Reich Hitler dreamed of?

[alkmyst]

Last Sunday evening (Jan 29th), Ian Crane gave a talk to the Wessex Research Group on the links between 9/11, 7/7 and the Secret Societies of Nazi Germany and the United States.

After showing the film ‘Face the Facts’ produced by the Bristol 9/11 Truth Group (an excellent compendium on the events of 9/11), Ian presented the compelling links between The Thule Society of Germany in the 1920’s & 1930’s and the Yale based secret society known as Skull & Bones. With both organisations sharing the mantle of Brotherhood of Death and both nurturing the objective to establish a ‘New World Order'; Ian proposed that the rise of the Third Reich in Germany, in the first half of the twentieth century, was a ‘practice run’ for the Fourth Reich of the USA to establish a global New World Order in the 21st Century.

Hitler was inducted into The Thule Society in 1919 by his mentor Dietrich Eckart, who was reported to have said, “Follow Hitler! He will dance, but it is I who have called the tune! I have initiated him into the 'Secret Doctrine', opened his centres in vision and given him the means to communicate with the Powers ...”

The dominant American 'Brotherhood of Death' society is the Skull and Bones fraternity at Yale University, an identical society to Hitler's Thule Group. The most famous adept from the "Skull and Bones" society is President George W. Bush and his father, George H. W. Bush. When Ian pointed out that Zbigniew Brzezinski (author of ‘The Grand Chessboard’) was also a ‘Bonesman’, the pieces of the jig-saw were really starting to fall into place! Apparently Bush appointed no less than eleven Bonesmen into government positions when he was first elected!

John Bolton, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, is also Yale Graduate but he wasn’t ‘tapped’ for Skull & Bones; although he is apparently a member of Phi Beta Kappa. According to Ian, Phi Beta Kappa is a nationwide fraternity, second only to Skull & Bones in the hierarchy of secret societies in the U.S. Both Bill & Hilary Clinton are members of Phi Beta Kappa but Bill’s election campaign was funded by the Harriman family, who have strong links with …….. you guessed it, Skull & Bones! Talk about incestuous!

Who in the U.S. would believe that by taking part in the initiation rites of The Skull & Bones Society, the ‘born again’ Bonesmen take an oath which takes precedence over any allegiance of loyalty to the US Constitution? In February of 2004, both John Kerry and George W. Bush refused to answer interviewers’ questions regarding their membership of this secret society

When asked how the ‘wisdom’ of The Thule Society had crossed the Atlantic to the Yale fraternity, Ian introduced us to ‘Operation Paperclip’, the illegal round-up of Nazi scientists by US Forces at the end of WW2. Many of these scientists had been closely associated to The Thule Society and to Himmler’s SS Ahnenerbe. An SS unit tasked with esoteric and occult research. A Unit responsible for much of the technological developments in Nazi Germany that were coveted by the US miltary; e.g anti-gravity and zero-point energy.

At the start of his talk, Ian stated that he would be presenting material that he would not normally discuss at a public meeting. I’m not sure why because this was compelling stuff! If Ian is correct in his assumptions, we are in for a rocky ride over the next few years. However, he closes his presentations with a wonderful message of hope. I'm not going to go into any more detail on that ......... you'll just have to go along and hear what he has to say for yourself!

This is the second time that I have attended one of Ian’s talks; his breadth and depth of knowledge is staggering. He was just as comfortable explaining the concept of ‘Peak oil’ as he was discussing the Ariosophist mythology of The Thule Society.

Thank you Ian, it was a most entertaining and educational evening.


Al K Myst

[skadseye]

I agree that the issue of the Bush family's links to Nazi Germany, as well as the attempt by his grandfather's associates to overthrow the US government should be repeated again and again until they are common currency.

[mason-free party]

yes but did Ian Crane mention the part played by the masonic brotherhood...Skull and Bones is just one faction of this organisation

[marndin]

What is the EU really all about?

Important Info about Europe and where we're heading!
Do you know the truth about the EU?

http://www.eutruth.org.uk/

1. The Queen has signed 6 of the 7 EU Treaties.

2. The 6 treaties define and build the EU as an unelected dictatorship.

3. The EU's laws give it the powers of a police state.

4. The 7th EU treaty will complete the abolition of Britain as a nation

- the Queen could sign it in as little as two years.

Shouldn't we repeal the 1972 European Communities Act now
before we are imprisoned permanently inside?

5. Thirty three years inside the EU - have you noticed how our democracy is being withdrawn?
The EU has already denied us that most basic of human rights - the right to vote against the EU and to keep our own nation. A majority of us don't want to be in the EU. We are being forced in against our will.

Do you feel you've become powerless, unable to influence events, or your vote is worth less? The six treaties are gradually removing our democracy; and 70% of the laws now passed by our Parliament are EU laws, not ours. Isn't the real reason people have lost interest in politics precisely because the EU has taken away our ability to change things?

Common law, where the government was our servant, is now largely replaced by the EU's Corpus Juris, which puts the government above the law, and we don't participate. We have already lost most of our rights (including habeas corpus). The power of government grows unchecked, as does that of large corporations. Politicians continuously lie about the EU, pretending its not significant.

6. Massive EU corruption
The EU's auditors have found the fraud is so widespread they've refused to sign off the EU's accounts for each of the last ten years. Whistleblowers like Marta Andreason, the EU Budget Director, who in 2005 found the EU couldn't account for 95% of its £66 billion budget, are simply fired for telling the truth.

7.The bribing of our Politicians by the EU
Europe works by bribing politicians with huge salaries and expenses to vote for Europe, against the best interests of their own voters.

As a result all three parties are in favour of the EU - Westminster acts like a one party state of politicians: the Lib-Lab-Con. The parties are run top down and implement the policy of their leaderships, not that of their members. (unfortunately UKIP is run in the same way). If you have voted for the Labs, Cons or Lib-Dems since 1969, you have voted for the EU dictatorship.

8. EU corruption is now exploding through our Civil Service, our local government, and our 7,000 quangos.
A shadow EU government lives inside our bureaucracy, headquartered in the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (ODPM.) It includes many parts of government including the RDA and the Regional Assemblies. Common Purpose, an EU organisation, the UK branch also headquartered in the ODPM, has members across many government organisations including some city and county councils, the Land Registry, the police and the NHS, which it is destroying from within.

Common Purpose is the glue that enables fraud to be committed across these government departments, most of it lining the pockets of politicians and bureaucrats. It often involves the sale of public assets such as land to friends of politicians or their businesses. (The RDA -The EU Regional Development Agency, is a major player in this type of fraud.) And the handing out of plum government non jobs with big salaries and expenses to members of Common Purpose, all of it involving the theft of our money as taxpayers. The Chief Executive Officer of Common Purpose is Julia Middleton of the ODPM.

9. Businesses closing under EU regulation
The EU's 107,000 regulations will close hundreds of thousands more businesses when fully enforced, and control our private lives more closely than those of Soviet citizens. (In a Parliamentary answer to Lord Stoddart in January 2003, the government admitted there were 101,811 EU regulations)

10. The EU costs us £200 billion pa, 20% of our economy
According to the government's Better Regulation Task Force, complying with EU regulations now costs our economy over £100 billion a year. Economists say we lose £80 billion pa by associating with the EU's inferior economies. The EU took our fishing industry, which costs us £5 billion pa. EU damage to other industries (like forcing us to close the Rover Car Co) a further £20 billion. Our EU contribution is £10 billion.

Before we joined the EU we had an even balance of trade with them. Now EU regulations have fixed it so we lose £22 billion year trading with the EU on our balance of payments. We'd be enormously more wealthy if we left.

11. Our counties to be abolished
The Queen signed the 1992 Maastricht Treaty, which adopts the EU Regionalisation Plan. This will abolish England's 48 counties and replace them with 9 European regions, each with their own Regional Capital, which reports directly to Brussels, not to Westminster. This effectively obliterates the country of England. For example the County of Cornwall is replaced by the South West Region, which stretches from Lands End and includes Gloucestershire and Wiltshire; its regional capital is Exeter. As this move is unpopular it is being kept low-key and will not be implemented until the seventh treaty is signed, when we lose our right to object.

12. The deliberate destruction of our way of life, standards and morals
From Sunday trading, where large stores force staff to work Sundays for derisory pay - or they don't get a job, to the government's deliberate undermining of the family, to sex education for the under 13's, to children being given obscene homework, its all traceable via our compliant government back to the EU over the last 34 years. While inside atheist Europe, British Christianity has almost died out; safety on our streets and a great chunk of civilised life has left with it.

13. The EU has controlled our immigration since 1997
The Amsterdam Treaty handed complete control of our immigration to the EU. The EU increased the numbers of immigrants from 30,000 a year to 200,000 a year. That's why house prices have been screaming up. Politicians and huge corporations like immigration - with thousands of immigrants available on low pay, corporations can impose the minimum wage on millions. Politicians then lie that they can't get British workers to do dirty jobs. The truth is they won't offer a decent wage to compensate for unpleasant work, and instead use immigrants at £5 an hour.

Michael Howard was lying on the 24th January 2005 when he said he'd fix immigration - as Prime Minister, he'd have had no control over it whatsoever. Immigration hurts our existing immigrants first - new immigrants move into their areas, decreasing the wages and increasing the pressure on housing.

If the seventh Treaty is signed, we lose our right to withdraw and Britain ceases to be a nation. Like the other six, it only requires two signatures: the Prime Ministers, and the Queen's.

Examples of how our lives have changed since we've been in the EU:

In the EU, (which means in Britain) government is above the law.
The EU's corpus juris now pervades right through our legal system. A policeman was let off by magistrates this year (2005) for driving his private car at 159 mph in Ludlow, Shrops. Under Corpus Juris the government are above the law and cannot be prosecuted The judge ruled correctly under EU law. 45,000 police officers got off speed cameras in this way in 2004, although their speeding killed 44 innocent people. (Daily Mail 27.12.05.)

We have lost the right to freedom
The EU arrest warrant (signed by the Queen on 18th November 2003) allows us to be arrested without charge and held indefinitely with no right to see a solicitor, make a phone call, or even a right to a trial. You can simply disappear.

Under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act (SOCPA) 2005, we can now be arrested and held in the cells by any police officer for any petty offence, like dropping litter. Before it had to be an offense that carried a 5 year jail term. This also applies to all of the EU's 107,000 regulations. Do you know them all?

The Civil Contingences Act 2004 allows government to confiscate anything you possess permanently; you have no right to object. This includes your house. It also gives government the right to forceably move its population around to different locations; you can be left with no place to call your own and live like a refugee. The only check and balance here is a Minister just needs to utter the words "This is a national emergency." If a demonstration or strike government doesn't like is being organised, they can cut off all communications in a town - phones, mobiles, the internet, TV, and block all access to that town including closing roads and railways. It has all the powers and more of Hitler's Enabling Act of 1933.

We have lost the right to free speech
At the Labour Party conference the police held an 82 year old man, Walter Woolfgang, and denied him access to the conference under the EU's "anti terrorist" legislation because he had shouted the word "nonsense" at Jack Straw, who was speaking about Iraq. Terrified the true nature of the laws they have passed on behalf of the EU was escaping too early, the Labour Party stopped the police and begged the man to return to conference.

On October 25th 2005 Miss Maya Evans was arrested under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005, for a lone protest at the Cenotaph by reading out the names of the 97 British soldiers killed in the Iraq war. She was arrested by no less than 14 police officers and found guilty at Bow Street Magistrates Court on the 8th December 2005.

Would you hand over our nation, to be ruled by a foreign power, with oppressive laws like these, ? That's what's happening.

We have lost the right to protest
These laws make protest very difficult; if we did hold a General Strike and blockade Westminster it would now require some bravery: the powers the EU has demanded from our government enable it to respond in a way similar to the Chinese government's in Tiaanamen Square should it so wish.

It is no coincidence that since 2004, all MP's offices in Westminster are guarded by police with machine guns, inside and out.

The Governments "terrorism" deception
All these new EU laws, including massive "anti terrorism" acts (recently 2000, 2001, 2005) were passed with the pretence they were only directed at terrorists, or in the case of Asbos, ruffians who terrorise the streets. In each case they are used far more often against ordinary law abiding people, particularly to suppress dissent. (91% of those detained under Terrorism Acts are innocent and have been improperly arrested. Most of the remainder are charged with offences that have nothing to do with terrorism, but cover up over zealous arrests).

We have lost the right to life
Under EU law the "Shoot to kill" policy did not need democratic authorisation. Just two senior police officers authorised the police to kill British people. A democratic vote by Parliament was not required, but even that would not have legalised the killing under British common law. A recent victim was an innocent Brazilian, Jean de Menezes, shot dead in Stockwell underground station, even though he was being held down by police officers at the time of the execution. The police used dum-dum bullets, outlawed under the Geneva Convention because they blow a man to pieces inside.

The police can no longer be convicted for killing innocent people - Philip Prout shot at Lewannick in East Cornwall is just one of 30 people shot dead by police since 1992 when corpus juris crept in. At least one was shot in the back; most were no threat to anyone. Not once since 1992 has a policeman been convicted of any crime for these murders.

Have you noticed this growing police state?
In addition to many more laws than those above, add the 107,000 regulations, and whole bureaucracies such as VOSA building up networks of cameras and databases to record our movements and criminalise us when we can't comply. Persecution is no longer confined to motorists; under EU Corpus Juris our courts have become extensions of government power instead of independent arbiters of justice.

On the basis of the laws and treaties already signed by our Queen and Prime Ministers,

What will life be like in the EU after the 7th Treaty is signed?

Our Westminster Parliament immediately becomes pointess as its remaining powers are transferred to Europe.

It is the formal end of Britain and England as nations.

Britain's 153 embassies around the world will be closed as the ink from the Queen's signature dries. (As Tony Blair refused to admit this has been agreed to, Jose Zapatero, the Prime Minister of Spain, confirmed it in a February 2005 radio broadcast.)

After the EU abolishes our 48 counties your address will change from 4 High St, Taunton, Somerset, Great Britain, to 4 High St, Taunton, Area K, European Union. (The glorious EU county "The South West Region" has had the postal address "Area K" assigned for over a decade.)

The Official National Anthem of the EU, which you should have known since 1971 is based on the melody "Ode to Joy" by Beethoven, formally replaces God save the Queen. The EU flag replaces the Union Jack, the red, blue and white nautical ensigns etc. (The EU Commission has already ordered (24.11.2005) our Merchant Navy to fly the EU flag in place of the red Ensign.)

The EU takes ownership and command of our Police, Army, Royal Navy, RAF, nuclear weapons, currency reserves, North Sea Oil. (See the EU Constitution below)

The UK Independence Party will be banned under the 1999 ruling of the European court of Justice case c274/99, where it was held that it is illegal to criticise the EU.

The Conservative, Labour and Lib-dem parties will be abolished (only pan EU parties like the EPP or PES are allowed -see clause I.46.4 of the EU Constitution). It will then be blindingly obvious to even the dumbest politician there is no reason to keep Westmister open, and that the EU has the legal right to close it.

Many people will be excluded from the jobs they know best, as the EU's demand that you must pay to be re-taught the job, and pay for a certificate before you can be employed, becomes universal.

Hundreds of thousands more small businesses will close on the enforcement of the remaining 100,000 EU regulations our government has already passed. Several million will be permanently unemployed as a result.

We will all be criminalised by the 107,000 regulations. Its impossible to know or understand 107,000 regulations, and the poor can't possibly afford to comply. We will all be subject to frequent fines and arrest as a result. Here are just 4 examples:

Under EU regulations it is now illegal for you to repair your plumbing, electrics or your car (from 1st January 2006). If you buy a boat over six feet long, built after the EU Recreational Craft Directive of 1999, and don't pay the EU £4,000 to "measure" the boat, you get 6 months imprisonment. We will live under permanent threat of arrest and fear of the knock at the door that takes us away.

Massive corporations will do well, but with huge immigration allowed from the EU, they'll be able to pay minimum wage everywhere, not just in the provinces as they do now. If you don't accept the minimum they'll employ a Pole or a Czekoslovakian.

Big corporations will also have a near monopoly (with the government) on employment and will be able to dictate unfavourable terms to staff without fear of contradiction.

Plum government jobs and corruption will ensure the wealth of politicians, bureaucrats, their businesses and associates at all levels of government, including local government and amongst our 7000+ quangos.

Society will divide into two: the remaining 60% of us will be either unemployed or treated abysmally on minimum wage.

Taxes will rise more steeply to pay for the even larger explosion in government growth and corruption

There will be no redress through local democracy because there won't be any. The nine UK regional governments, which replace our 48 counties and councillors, will be unelected (see the European Regionisation plan). Our only vote is to the powerless EU parliament. We will be ruled by the 25 unelected Commisssioners, and have have no redress at any level; we will be as poor but have less freedom than Soviet Citizens.

If we demonstrate or protest we can be be seized and relocated to another region. The EU Arrest Warrant and Civil Contingencies Act 2004, with 20 other oppressive Acts the Queen has signed between 1972 and 2005, give the government absolute power over us. They can shoot us if they wish with no legal comeback - the shootings of innocents Philip Prout and Jean de Menezes were entirely legal under EU law.

The tendancy to pick on Muslims, as Germany used to pick on Jews, has already begun. Europe will be a very nasty place.

How long will the EU last?
Eventually, perhaps 15 years down the track, Europe will collapse under the weight of its own corruption, bureaucracy, and regulations. There will be so few productive businesses that even at 100% tax rates we will not be able to support the massive, corrupt and wasteful government. Many of us will be starving in the lead up to the collapse. After the collapse we may be able to leave the EU, if a dictator has not taken advantage of the complete absence of democratic checks and balances by seizing power. The Constitution of the EU is similar to the Soviet Union's. That dictator is free to choose between a Soviet or Nazi style government. Then it could take 70 years to break free.

Fifty years ago our greatest threat might have been violence or mugging. Now the greatest threat to our economic well being, our way of life, our freedom and the very existence of our nation, is our own government.

What do we want?

After the repeal of the EU treaties we want a change to our British Constitution so politicians can never hijack our nation again. Every Parliamentary Bill, after its Second Reading, should come down to us, the people, to vote yes or no as to whether the Queen should give it Royal Assent. This will take power away from our destructive politicians and return it to the people, where it belongs. (They do this in Swtizerland - they, not us, are the most democratic nation on earth.) We can then return to being a peaceable, just, honest, prosperous and fully democratic society where everyone's rights, no matter how high or low are respected, and the disadvantaged properly looked after. And where neither governments, corporations nor individuals have obscene wealth and power.

David Noakes 07974 437 097 ; fire4effect@tiscali.co.uk

Campaign to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act and get clean out.

What can you do to help?
1. Find out when your local MP holds their surgery and attend with a printout of this, and the one page summary of the EU constitution below. Ask that MP to cross the floor to be the leader of the first Anti EU Parliamentary Party (representing 65% of our nation). The publicity would be stunning, and might force an in/out vote.
2. Make appointments with your local journalists, give them the same two print outs and ask them to write about the truth about the EU.
3. Do you know anyone famous? Persuade them in the same way to join our cause and get the truth known.
4. Print little stickers: "We didn't vote for this - it has no mandate," and stick them on everything that represents the police state and rip off government.
5. Tell your Town, District and County councillors they are about to be abolished. See below.
6. Do anything you can to get the truth about the EU published.
Or print and hand out this flier (a .pdf), or flier (as a word document). It can be photocopied double sided on to one page.

Our Councillors abolished
Our 20,000 Councillors will be permanently abolished after the EU Regionalisation Plan has established the nine EU Regions. Point out they were elected to serve the public, not the government, and the public has not agreed to their abolition.
Try to persuade them to stand up for the people who voted for them, (which is only doing their duty) by holding a yes/no local ballot on whether the public agree with the abolition of our counties, councillors and nation.

If the public vote no, they should declare, for their Town or county, UDI from Europe and the illegal actions of our government since 1971, particularly the abolition of our British Constiution, common law, our nation and counties. The press coverage this would generate would force the truth into the open nationally, leading to a national in/out ballot on the EU. Just one council could achieve this fabulous result alone. s

Download: A summary of the loss of our 48 counties (a WP file)

Download: A map of the nine EU regions (.pdf)

The Devonport Column, exposing Common Purpose nationally, and corruption in Plymouth.

The six treaties are:
1. The European Communities Act 1972.
2. The Single European Act, 1986.
3. The Maastricht Treaty, 1992.
4. The Amsterdam Treaty, 1997.
5. The Nice Treaty 2001.
6. The European Union Treaty, 2003.

The seventh will be called something equally innocuous, like the Treaty of Lille. Then the loss of our nation, way of life and freedom will be complete.

The best summary of the six treaties is the Constitution

Some British politicians were horrified when they saw the EU's absolute power revealed in its new constitution, and falsely accused the EU of much more than a tidying up exercise. It wasn't, it was a re-statement of the 6 treaties in almost readable English. Our politicians simply hadn't read the six treaties before they voted for them. The French and Dutch "No" votes are being ignored as usual; the EU Constitution is 2/3rds implemented and still being implemented; it reveals the true nature of the EU. Here's a one page summary with Article numbers:

One page summary of the Constitution - pdf for download

UKIP is way understating the costs of the EU. Even the British and EU governments admit to four times the UKIP figure.
The EU is costing us 200 billion pa, 20% of our economy

Quotes from our leaders revealing they know they built the EU as a dictatorship.

EU treaties and publications abolishing our 48 counties

The Conservative Con trick
Many people have been fooled by the Conservative Party into believing the party is anti EU. It was the Conservatives, under Ted Heath, who took us in to the EU, and then he lied that his 1972 EU Treaty wouldn't affect our sovereignty. Three out of the four Prime Ministers who signed the 6 EU treaties were Conservatives, every one af them legally a traitor under the British laws of their time. Do you see a pattern here?

In 2005 Party Leader Michael Howard could have won the election for the Conservatives by making one simple statement: "We will repeal the 1972 EU Communities Act and leave Europe". Millions of Conservative voters would have rejoined the fold. A million Lib-Dems and Labour voters would have joined him. But he didn't.

Because the Conservative leadership would rather be in Europe than be in power. The Conservative leadership, including David Cameron, is completely dedicated to Europe.

Instead Howard continued betraying Conservative voters, so he lost. (And to be fair, why should Conservative leaders miss out on the EU corruption gravy train?)

With the Labour and Lib-Dem parties openly for Europe, its clear the three parties will never give us a vote to leave the EU and keep our nation. The answer may be massive civil disobedience, a permanent General Strike, or a blockade of Westminster until MP's resign.

34 years of negotiation from the inside have failed to improve the EU one jot. Shouldn't we repeal the 1972 European Communities Act and get clean out?

The abolition of the Labour, Conservative and Lib-Dem parties.
So sloppy have our politicians been in their reading of the EU treaties, most haven't noticed that the EU will abolish our Labour, Conservative and Lib-Dem parties. It was clear in the Madrid 1999 party financing document, and it was re-stated in the Constitution, clause I-46-4. Only pan European parties like the EPP will be allowed. Some politicians, like Heseltine and Ken Clarke, can't wait for this to happen.

A date for the abolition of Westminster has tactfully not been given
Once the 7th treaty is signed, Westminster's remaining powers are transferred to Brussels, and Westminster is left with the powers of a county council. Except it won't have a county, because they will be abolished under the Regionalisation plan. The 9 EU regions report direct to Brussels, so Westminster will be a county council without a county. Anyone with half a brain can see Brussels will abolish Westminster, as it's only potential use would be as a rallying point to challenge the power of Brussels.

The Queen, Treason and the Coronation oath
The Queen is the only monarch to have broken her coronation oath, by signing these six treaties that abolish our common law, the British constitution, the British and English nations, and our sovereignty. She has also committed treason, together with co-signatories Ted Heath, Margaret Thatcher, John Major and Tony Blair. Realising they stood a good chance of spending the rest of their lives behind bars, Tony Blair and the Queen signed the Crime and Criminal Evidence Act, 1998, which abolished the crime of treason.

The new EU Hitler doesn't have to get elected
Its worth noting that Adolf Hitler first had to get elected, if on a 35% minority vote, and then get his Enabling Act passed. An EU dictator has no such problems. Our EU rulers do not submit themselves for election now. And the Queen has already signed the Enabling Act (Civil Contingencies Act 2004).

The EU's Hitler will have a much easier rise to power, and will have the formerly British and French nuclear weapons from day one. Adolf Hitler killed 54 million people. The EU's dictator could kill a billion at the touch of a button, with no democratic checks and balances to answer to. How could any aspiring dictator resist the EU opportunity?

Here's a link to Our Message at the last General Election - 2005

A link to ukip-plymouth.org.uk

Common Purpose, training 18,000 of our new EU rulers at all levels of our government now.
As a word doc.

Do we want to be in Europe? Do we want to lose democratic government, the nations of Britain and England, and all our counties? Do we want to put ourselves in the EU, where we will be at the mercy of any dictator who chooses to control us? Isn't the answer obviously "No" ?

We can live again outside Europe
Outside the EU we can be a free and properly democratic nation. Free from Europe we could stop half our government spending being wasted, could save the £200 billion a year it costs us to be in Europe, repeal all its 107,000 regulations, and stop losing the £22 billion a year to Europe on our balance of payments. With those vast savings we could easily pay all our people a good living wage. According to the OECD we are the 4th strongest economy amongst the world's 205 independent nations, and we will make it handsomely.

We could leave the EU in 14 hours
The fastest an Act of Parliament has been drafted, passed by Parliament and signed by the Monarch was the abdication of King Edward VIIIth. It was done in 13.5 hours. We could repeal the 1972 European Communities Act and be out of Europe in just fourteen hours, if our traiterous MP's, Prime Minister and Queen so wished. So far they've illegally denied us the choice. We need to change that, but we may only have two years left before the final 7th treaty is signed.

Thank you. Please choose one of the six actions above and complete it.

[Disco_Destroyer]

Does this mean the Queen has to hang herself for treason?

[gericom]

There is no longer any treasonable offence. Treason no longer excists in our country. Tony Blair made sure of that!

[Disco_Destroyer]

Brown stands firm on EU treaty vote

http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=5944464
Prime Minister Gordon Brown continued to resist pressure for a referendum on the new EU treaty and predicted that a threatened trade union rebellion on the issue would not succeed.

Speaking after talks at Downing Street with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, he said Parliament was the place to debate the issue, not the country at large.

His insistence came after the GMB union announced that it would table a motion at next month's TUC Congress, demanding a public vote.

He said he was confident the Government would secure all its objectives for the new treaty, which critics say is almost identical to the abandoned constitution.

He told reporters: "Let's see what the TUC do. My own view is that the TUC when it meets will support the Government.

"We believe the proper way to discuss this is through detailed discussion in the House of Commons and the House of Lords and I believe Parliament will pass the legislation."

The two leaders also talked about recent turmoil on the international money markets, with the Prime Minister insisting that "the fundamentals of our economies are strong".

Asked if he would bow to the mounting pressure for a referendum, he said: "I have been very clear throughout that if we can achieve, as we have done so far, our negotiating objectives then I believe the proper way of considering this is through detailed consideration in Parliament itself.

"We are determined that when the detail of the amending treaty becomes available and when the discussions of the Intergovernmental Conference happen, that we will achieve in detail all these negotiating objectives that we believe are guaranteed by the signatories in the European Council a few weeks ago."

The Rail Maritime and Transport Union is reported to have gone even further than the GMB with a motion urging the TUC to campaign for a "no" vote on the Brussels treaty agreed by Tony Blair shortly before standing down as Prime Minister.

[Dogsmilk]

Regarding the original article, I find myself unsure how the EU is remotely responsible for Walter Wolfgang being ejected from the Labour Party conference or the arrest of Maya Evans. As far as I am aware, our 'anti-terror' legislation does not fall under the auspices of the EU.
Amongst other things, I am also rather bemused as to -

[eogz]

I don't agree with the EU in principle of bringing us closer to a One World Government (I 've heard and read enough about that to not want one, thank you very much).

I wouldn't think it would be to anyone's advantage to ruin Europe once in the EU, at the same time I understand the fear of 107,000 EU laws we can't and don't understand.

Was suprised to see the fixing your car becoming illegal!

I'm not sure how much of the above is true, but even if half is then the likelyhood of a government in Brussels listening to me, is less likely than Whitehall listening to me. They generally don't listen to any of us!

It is scary but i'd like to see the scare mongering seperated from the facts, not to be down on the original post, but the more it goes on the more it becomes easy to disbelieve. I'm not saying it is in anyway untrue but I'm trying to consider how average Joe on the street would feel when reading it.

Also if it is all true, then GOd help us.

[Dogsmilk]

[marndin]

The author of the article is David Noakes (no relation to me (Martin Noakes).

He was at one time running for the leadership of the UKIP party and appears to know his stuff.

It certainly isn't *! Take some of the BIG claims and disprove them.

http://www.vote-david.eutruth.org.uk/ For more info on David Noakes.

It is scarey, but no more scarey than 9/11. They're getting us from every possible angle.

Martin

[eogz]

This seventh treaty that is yet to be signed, I kind of assumed it was, when is it due to signed or discussed in Parliament?

[eogz]

The seventh treaty could be signed within two years, I just looked it up.

Think I need to look more closely at all of this, I always assumed an police state take over would happen nationally, I could be well wrong, why not do it as a continent. Hmmmmm....

[marndin]

Apparently there are only 6 treaties and the 6th is planned to be signed during the summer of 2008.

More up to date info here:- http://www.eutruth.org.uk/

Martin

[eogz]

I thought the seventh was the treaty/constitution, or is that the sixth, i'll look none the less, cheers for the info.

[Rowan Berkeley]

It seems to me that playing national organisations off against regional ones is merely one of the more obvious misdirections of our real opponents. After all, neither national nor regional organisations have the slightest control over multinational corporations and hemispheric military alliances.

[marndin]

A couple of replys from MP's I've received today. Use http://www.writetothem.com/ to write to your MP's it's very easy and quick!

Dear Mr Noakes

Thank you for your email to Daniel Hannan. Daniel is as concerned as you are about the effects of EU membership on Britain, her people and the way we are governed. Daniel has been making exactly the points you make in the pages of The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Telegraph and other publications since he was elected in 1999. You might be interested to see his blog:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/politics/danielhannan

Rest assured, there are MEPs fighting on your behalf!

With best wishes

Sara Hannan

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Dear Mr Noakes

Thank you for your message, containing Davis Noake's round condemnation of the EU and of the conspirators in national governments who created it and sustain it.

I am completely in sympathy with the spirit of Mr Noake's remarks and with much of the letter. and details, of them, although they are a little out of date and are sometimes expressed in a way, which would frighten off the prospective convert.

Indeed, as the EU's "Reform Treaty" is now being foisted upon us - without the promise of a referendum, which accompanied its virtually identical (including the "red lines") predecessor, the EU's "Constitutional Treaty" - we must all do everything we can to make untenable the government's present resolution to ratify it without plebiscite, or the battle to preserve our liberty, or regain it, or create-it-as-it-never-really-existed-before (and should have) will be lost for generations to come.

Yours sincerely

Nigel

[karlos]

The British public are sleepwalking into a facist state called the EU.
There is no difference between the EU and what was the old USSR.
Except that the EU is run for the benefit of big businesses.

[Cruise4]

I'm gobsmacked by a couple of the posters here. I thought everyone knew all about the dangers of the EU by now. This is the single biggest issue facing us in the UK at this point, (ignoring the overall cause of course).

The EU is a great danger to us all. I know it. You will see if you allow this to happen. This will be sounding the death knell to all intents and purposes. The people doing this are Traitors. If there is a strike we should march on London in support and if there's enough of us take the lot out there and then!

This is against the wishes of the people, provably so and therefore Treason.

Only a total idiot would willingly walk into a Dictatorship with the laws of a Police State, and thats what it is.

[Dogsmilk]

Some relatively substantial claims might be such as -

[marndin]

[quote]IMHO, UKIP are a bunch of reactionary, right wing, jingoistic bigots, so learning one of their arch clowns wrote this neither surprises nor endears me to it.quote]

Which is why David Noakes quit and now runs three newspapers The Westminster News is one http://thewestminsternews.co.uk/

[scubadiver]

A friend of mine says that website is a complete load of bollox (his words, not mine).

[marndin]

If that's true...Why have I recieved two replies so far from my MP's agreeing with the content.

I have posted the replies earlier on in this thread.

Saying it's "*" is one thing. Proving it is another...

Martin

[scubadiver]

Don't get me wrong. I am just as cynical.

[Cruise4]

"Again, I'm loathe to stick up for the EU but to date I haven't noticed it running enormous gulags, periodically liquidating all its MEPs or annexing big chunks of Eastern Europe."

Well you wouldn't yet, would you? But if you accept the NWO as a real One World Government Agenda then the writing is on the wall and we have certainly seen behaviour such as you suggest in the past from argubly the main player Germany. Less than 65 years ago they were bombing us for God's sake!

Anyone that cannot see the potential here is blind. Again I believe the endgame will be a mass eugenics program thats already in full swing. The ability to mix 'n' match armies WILL be used.

You aren't going to link 'predictions' with current laws... but the direction is an open book to anyone with half a mind who's had a good look across all avenues of this developing world situation.

The reason the UK is going Police State is the same as the USA going Police State. They know opposition will come eventually and one nations army wouldn't stop it, but combined forces would and the EU is an obvious and vital step along the way.

By the time you are satisfied... it will be far to late! Of course this is all linked.

[Dogsmilk]

[Rowan Berkeley]

I think a lot of this anti-EU-ism is just recycled anti-Germanism, and since there are very few people in mainstream culture who consider the Germans to be genetically inclined to mass murder (which is what all this muttering about eugenics comes down to) the propaganda is not terribly effective.

[Cruise4]

The amount of information I would have to post here to properly answer your questions would double the size of the forum. I can only summarise what I believe is currently going on.

Everything going on, the Police State, the EU, UN, IMF, World Bank, NAU, False Flag Terrorism, CO2 Global Warming rubbish, Tracking, Civil Liberty curtailment, RFID and chipping, GPS, Mercurial Vaccinations, Pharma Medicine, Education, banking Scam, Law Scam, MI5/6 Drug Running, The Queen, Iraq, Iran, Peal Oil, Environmentalism, Terminator Genes and Food, Bio-fuel scam, nanotech, satellites, HAARP, NASA, Masonry, Religion, Israel, Political Parties, NWO, One World Government, Biological, Chemical, Acoustic weaponry, Nukes, Foot and mouth, SARS, AIDS, Biometrics, DNA, Cancer, Additives, Suppression of Alt. medicine, Ballot rigging, Zionism, Vatican, TV, Mobile Phones and Masts, Russia, China, Arms Sales... I could go on and on but I expect you get the point.

ALL this is being aimed at the people for one reason.

We are at 'end of empire' time. Those who have been in power, in front and behind the scenes, have got a plan we collectively term the NWO.

This plan has many facets but their end game is to cut the population of the earth to 500 million, turn them into hive mind controlled slaves and rule as Gods for want of a better term.

Far fetched? No, its a certainty, so please research. Its a long long discovery but everything ends up pointing to this horrendous conclusion.
Alex Jones will have a film out soon called EndGame which should lay this out more clearly. This film here also lays out the groundwork:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=10981&highlight=

So you going on about proof of how legislation corresponds to EU regs. suggests to me a very limited research so far. I'm not trying to have a go here... I knew nothing at one point about any of this.

Its all a hell of a lot more serious than many realise and all these little steps are but incrementalism towards killing us all.

I cannot do your research for you... but I can point you towards endless videos and books etc. on the subject if you request me to.

This isn't scaremongering at all. This is what is going to happen. 9/11 is the very very tip of the Iceberg.

And how is this all being held together, as I'll admit its a big tangles web?

Well it appears to be Freemasonry and quasi religious orders, Old Blood, vatican, Child abuse, blackmail, greed, killings and other threats, indoctrination, mind control, genetics and Satanism.

Sounds Mad... NOT mad.

[Rowan Berkeley]

[Cruise4]

Well you check the geneology of US presidents. You track freemasonry members, bilderberg members, who's related to the Queen, Council of Foreign Relations, Zionists, Child Abuse and abductions, Jesuits, Rosicrucians, knights Templar, Club of rome, Sovereign Military of Malta, Rothschild, Rockefella, Fed Reserve, bank of england, which countries don't have banks controlled by Rothschild etc.

Go on... you will find out a very very interesting picture emerges. The only medieval here is you and your limited research capacity along with your assumptions of superiority and your faith in a completely corrupt political system run largely by crooks.

This is somewhat out the comfort zone of "anti-Germanism" and "which is what all this muttering about eugenics comes down to" which is a laughable simplistic analysis and virtually nothing to do with it.