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Ally
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 Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: My son Innocent says Hassib Hussain's Dad |
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The BBC are going all out this week to entrench the suicide bomber myth, they sunk to new levels in my opinion taking victim's relatives to Beeston to confront families of the accused. REAL STORY on tomorrow night features this scene which has been repeated on Breakfast several times today. Was impressed they broadcast what Hussain's dad said when confronted but felt sorry for the victim being put through that obviously unaware of huge doubts about the official narrative.
FATHER OF ACCUSED BEESTON BOMBER SAY SON IS NOT GUILTY -
Mark Simpson reported. Mr Ali went to Leeds to see where the London bombers used to meet. He went to meet one of their families. His partner was killed on the bus that was bombed at Tavistock Square. Ali went to see Hassib Hussain's father in Beeston. They met away from the cameras for 20 minutes. Hussain's father wants a public inquiry. INTERVIEW: GOUS ALI, VICTIM'S PARTNER - I didn't know if to leave it. He really believes his son didn't do it, I feel pity and sorry for them. They really don't know what their son was getting up to for 18 years.
CLIP: THE REAL STORY, BBC1.
BBC1@07.50 on July 6th. |
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Ally
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DAILY MIRROR cover same story.
| Quote: | 6 July 2006
7/7 VICTIM'S BOYFRIEND CONFRONTS BOMBER'S FATHER
GOUS ALI, the partner of July 7 victim Neetu Jain, held an extraordinary confrontation with the family of her killer, bus bomber Hasib Hussain.
Neetu, a 37-year-old computer analyst from Hendon, North London, was on her way to work when she was killed. Here Gous Ali describes his search for answers about her murder:
'ON July 7 2005 I lost my partner Neetu Jain, who I loved dearly. She died on the No 30 bus, blown up by Hasib Hussain, one of the four London bombers.
He claimed he was acting in the name of Islam. As a Muslim I'm not prepared to accept this. Islam is not about the murder of innocent people.
Neetu was an amazing person, very spiritual. It was our family liaison officer called Tony who came round and told us she was dead. It was as if a part of me had been ripped out. Not just me, her family as well. We were all one family. It all came as if it wasn't happening, it was like a nightmare.
Why would four people from Leeds travel down to London to create this nightmare? This question burns inside my head every day. We all live in this country, we all live together as best as we can, with all our differences, all our views and opinions, religions, faiths, practices, and we share that every day and yet they felt they had to go out of their way to kill innocent people.
And what have they done? They've just created more anarchy, more chaos, more alarm, more hatred, and towards what? Towards a faith which totally condemns innocent killings, which totally believes in peace.
To help with my fight against my own ' demons and to search for answers I went to Beeston, the suburb in Leeds that was home to Hasib Hussain. There was one person I'd really come to meet - Hasib Hussain's father Mahmood. I'd written asking him to meet but received no reply.
Instead I decided to simply walk up to his door and knock. As I got nearer I saw a man standing outside close to the gate, a Muslim man wearing white robes. I looked directly at him and said: "Salaam Salaam Alakium. Are you Hasib's father?" He said: "Yes." Anger welled up inside me. I looked directly at him and said: "Your son killed my wife."
He looked stunned. At first he said he didn't want to talk to me and stepped back towards the door.
I looked straight at him and said: "Do you know who I am? Your son killed my partner."
Now more indignant, he said: "So what are you doing here, then? Why do you speak to me like this? Why do you say my son has killed your wife? Why have you come to my door like this?"
But I didn't care about his agitation. I was still angry. "You haven't even shown any respect to me by apologising," I said.
The situation was getting heated. Other members of Hasib's family started coming over and telling us to go away. Hasib's brother Imran ordered us to leave but his father told him: "Imran stop that, that is no way to behave. We do not behave that way."
I KNEW I had to regain control of this situation. This was my journey and I needed answers. "Shall we start again then?" I asked. "Maybe one day we can sit down and have a cup of tea and talk properly."
Hasib's father told me: "I don't mind talking but the thing is, even if Hasib done it, I'm not responsible, my family's not responsible because we don't know.
"If I knew he could do such a thing I would break his legs - I could, you know, put him in prison, I could do something horrible to him to stop him."
I could see now in his eyes he was torn apart, confused. I knew he hadn't known what his son was planning.
I almost felt sorry for him. This boy he had raised for the last 18 years had planned and executed an atrocity whilst living in his house and he knew nothing about it. I watched the father's face as the whole horror spun round in his brain. It was too much for him to handle. He couldn't face it so he slipped back into denial.
"I don't believe Hasib did it," he said. "No one has shown me any evidence that he did it. I haven't seen nothing, no DNA, no evidence. When there is a crime you have to have evidence. I have seen no evidence. There should be a public inquiry, then everyone can come and give evidence everyone can come and say what they know. They could do this if there was a public inquiry."
He was in denial. His mind could not accept it and in the background other family members nodded and agreed with the father. Gently I said to him: "But why was Hasib on the bus?" He replied: "Because he was going to London to see friends.
"The other three boys he went with, I know them, they were good boys. I think it must have been someone else on the bus, not Hasib. Hasib was a good boy. How can I, how can I lose my son? No way. There is no way.
"I mean, if I had to break his legs, right, I could do that if I knew there's something. But not a shred of evidence or anything that he was involved in it.
"Those other three kids were nice people - the families are nice, very decent people to be honest with you, very, very decent people. I know their parents."
He went on: "Forgive me but it's no good just coming in and saying your son killed my wife. We are, I am, my family, we are in the same position as you are. "I tell you the truth. I am talking from my heart. I can't say I sympathise with you, with your situation, because there's no words can replace your loss. No sympathy can do that.
"We are decent people. I worked hard all my life. Please, please, please, please, please don't say it's something to do with me. If I knew, if my son knew (he pointed to his other son), if my wife knew ... we are very very decent people. Hasib was even learning driving, he was planning to go to college - all those plans he had.
"On the Wednesday before he left I asked him, 'Where are you going?' He told me, 'Dad, I'm going to London with my friends' and I know his friends are well behaved people, them three friends, you know. "They used to come here, you know. I've not seen them properly but I knew they go to mosque and then everything is the media, saying that they are fanatics and this and that. But to me they seemed just ordinary persons like me and you.
WE never ever thought that maybe he's gonna do this, if we would have seen any change in him, but there was nothing. He didn't start acting differently. Hasib was just the same as he had always been."
As he stood there telling me about his grief and pain I had to ask: "But can you understand the pain I feel?"
He said: "To be honest with you I'm in the same position you are. Every day we are like this, in the dark, not understanding what has happened and while we are in the dark, looking for answers. We are both the same, me and you, we are the same."
I told him: "I can see you are suffering." As I said goodbye to Mr Hussain, his brother-in-law and Hasib's brother Imran, I put my hand out to each one of them and each one shook my hand.
Reflecting on my encounter, I feel pity for them and feel sorry for them that they had a son living in their house and didn't have a clue or a feeling that he's hiding a big, dark secret, that he was going to actually set out to go to London and kill innocent people with three other friends.
I think the reason why he doesn't believe his son did it is because he's in serious denial. He's so bewildered and confused and I think he's still numbed by the whole experience. By the look on his face I could see sheer agony and the same pain I suffer. I think he could see that too.
I feel some degree of loss as well for him but I can't really feel sorry for him because I think his son is a murderer and that will never, ever go away.
I now feel a huge emptiness, a huge anticlimax. I got answers to where he [Mahmood] is coming from. He talked more about his loss and his situation than mine.
I had nightmares about killing [Hasib Hussain's] family and suddenly I'm standing next to this chap who ... I ended up counselling. I could not bear to be horrible to him. I went away and asked myself: "What the hell did I say to him about my loss? Why was I being nice to him?"
I felt more sympathetic when I left. I've been fortunate to know an Islamic education and know what the Koran said. I think I might take up his offer to meet again. I feel I have the role in his life to help him understand.
I feel pity for the Hussains. I've lost someone quite amazing in my life but I've got something beautiful to hold on to. They have only got a nightmare to hold on to.
I don't hate Hasib but I will never forgive him for what he's done and that will always be the case. Maybe I will go back again and look for more answers but now I need to go away and try to heal.
The full interview with Gous Ali appears on Real Story: Terror on the Number 30, on BBC1 on Friday, 7.30pm.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: No evidence! |
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I too, as I'm sure we all do, feel a lot of sympathy for all those invovled in this horrendous crime, but I think particularly for the parents of the so called bombers. Not only have they lost their sons but now they live with this constant confusion. Imagine if this were you, your son, brother, sister, accused of murder with no real supporting evidence, you know they couldn't have done what they are accussed of yet you are confronted daily with the propaganda machine telling the world that your dead son was a murderer, what a nightmare.
We are all living in post 9 11 land now, some can see that, others cant, and some just don't want to. We are one audience, looking at the same screen but viewing two entirely different movies.
Now you can be shot, imprisioned, tortured, and condemed on what the authorities think you might be planning to do. Post 9 11 land is the triumph of deception over truth, were reality takes a back seat and laws of nature are ignored if they contradict the lies told by governments and the media. If you saw a suspected terrorist crime taking place what would you do? Call the police? Call MI5? well...yes I would report it in an attempt to save lives but I wouldn't give my id, in discovering upon what is very likely to be government initiated black op activity by reporting the crime you place yourself in danger.
In these times, when you are told by politicians and leading figures in the police that there will be another terrorist attack, you better believe it, the 'terrorists' have all the same resources as our SAS forces and Mossad combined.
If this current climate makes for a disturbing and almost surreal atmosphere here in the UK. Think what it's like in NY. A friend of mine arrived back from NY a week ago, and said he discussed 9 11 with cab drivers, a barber, and at the opening of an art show, he didn't meet anyone who bought the official story, he said the cab drivers would just laugh and say Yes, everybody in NY knows who did it but what can I do?
Does anyone know if any of the famililies of the accussed 'bombers' are aware of this site or any sites like this? And, same question regarding the victims of 07 07. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: Re: No evidence! |
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| ishaar wrote: |
We are all living in post 9 11 land now, some can see that, others cant, and some just don't want to. We are one audience, looking at the same screen but viewing two entirely different movies.
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Word up dude, top post to read like most here, welcome to the truth brigade! |
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All the more reason to found our own political party.
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| Dr Hemp wrote: | | All the more reason to found our own political party. |
Well, I think Blackpool 9/11ers may already have a plan
'Political parties' as an idea makes me kind of shudder, because political parties tend to have to play out their destinies in the sham hollow construct of so-called democratic political party-land
I favour a thought of standing as a spoiled vote/abstention candidate in the next General Election, because I'm sure I could say my own true thoughts and still be a de facto if non-provable winner
These are one hell of an elite power we are seeking to crumble and I don't think becoming a serious part of the party political process is any answer These mudderfokkers are in a panic right now, hence their relentless preparedness to get it on
It's more a root and branch process using any means at our disposal to deconstruct the current energy-slowing and dumbing-down methods being employed by the PTB to counter the natural vibrational-hike and planetary evolution occurring now
There are a large and ever-growing number of techniques available to our arsenal of resistance , and certainly one of the most vital routes is to release the Truth movement out of its almost 5 year internet ghetto and onto the streets, in your face style.
We are in the best and worst of times, and we ought to thank god allah and whoever, because we are at the moment when we have the opportunity to offload the parasites and free humanity forever
Tip-tapping on the internet won't do it, though it's our (and of course their) most vital tool. We have to become a fierce yet gentle living and breathing entity in every corner
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Agreed DH
Don't let us stop anyone going down this route if they choose or standing as an independent candidate on a (9/11) truth ticket but I doubt this will be the most fruitful route. But one way of another we need to get out on to the streets and make 9/11 truth visible |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:24 am Post subject: Re: No evidence! |
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| Ally wrote: | | ishaar wrote: |
We are all living in post 9 11 land now, some can see that, others cant, and some just don't want to. We are one audience, looking at the same screen but viewing two entirely different movies.
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Word up dude, top post to read like most here, welcome to the truth brigade! |
Absolutely. Deeply profound
Also agreed, shocking behaviour by the BBC
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: Making Contact |
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Ishaar said:
| Quote: | | Does anyone know if any of the famililies of the accussed 'bombers' are aware of this site or any sites like this? And, same question regarding the victims of 07 07. |
I know several people have tried their best to contact all the families. dh, do you know which boy's father Keith has visited several times - was it this man?
I think I would be prepared to go see this man if someone would go with me.
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It costs £150 to register a political party, you just need to fill in a few forms and write a constitution (which I have already done, and I am awaiting comments from others)
I agree DH about what you say about Parties, but the reality is that if the main parties refuse to tell the truth, then we should give people the opportunity to vote for the truth; politics and democracy itself are not bad things, it's just the current * in Parliament have given politics a bad name. Politics should be about helping people and making the world a safer and nicer place, but at the moment it is about lining the pockets of the rich elite, and widening the gap between the haves and have nots. The world is a bad place precisesly because evil people like GW Bu$h and Tony Bliar are in power.
If we have a political party, we get free postal deliveries in constituencies where we field candidates, and if we field enough candidates, we then get party political broadcasts and also slots after channel 4 news, etc., and more likely to get more media coverage; in fact election law requires the media to give coverage to all candidates standing in elections.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Making Contact |
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| Jane wrote: |
I know several people have tried their best to contact all the families. dh, do you know which boy's father Keith has visited several times - was it this man?
I think I would be prepared to go see this man if someone would go with me. |
Yes, Jane. It's delicate as far as I know because the family do not want the hassle, understandable in the light of all the doorstepping
I'll ask Keith about this and suggest we keep this offline at present |
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ian neal
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Be aware that this thread and in particular plans to contact the alleged bombers families is being discussed here
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4798304&postcount=2698
Neither this forum nor other forums where July 7 is being discussed can control nor direct the behaviour of individual campaigners. Everyone must act on their own judgement in terms of how best to campaign
But I would hope everyone campaigning for the truth about July 7 will show the utmost sensitivity to the families (who regardless of the guilt or otherwise of their sons are wholly innocent) and show awareness of how their actions could be portrayed by our critics. |
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Well, Ian, as I still have my IP blocked by U75 I can't consider this stuff, but as it's on Urban I presume it's pretty dire
Anyway, discreet plans are afoot from these parts |
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I went to give Prole some moral support and lasted all of four posts before getting this -
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tedious trolling conspiraloon
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ian neal
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That doesn't surprise me in the least.
There are certain websites and forums that aren't even worth bothering with since the moderation policy is so hostile and dishonest.
U75 and Channel 4 news are 2 examples.
We would do well to leave U75 alone IMO.
I find the U75 concept of discussion boards having an editor as perverse. Moderation based on clearly stated principles fine. Banning posters who disagree with you and labelling the 'conspiraloons' = censorship.
Still it was endless, pointless run ins with the editor and his clones that drove me and others to create this space, so I guess we should thank him for some things |
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