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freddie
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Arkan wrote:
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having insufficient evidence for the DOJ to file an indictment does not equate to having no evidence.
So what is the evidence then? - The videos?
---Again, I'd like you to back up this statement before hounding others for sources. You state it like it's obvious but I'm yet to see the proof---
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Graham
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[quote="chipmunk stew"] | TimmyG wrote: |
The attack would not have happened without al-Qaeda, and al-Qaeda would not have existed without Bin Laden. He's responsible. |
And Bin Laden (and Al Qaeda) wouldn't exist without the CIA right? Or are you denying that as well? |
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chipmunk stew
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| Graham wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: |
The attack would not have happened without al-Qaeda, and al-Qaeda would not have existed without Bin Laden. He's responsible. |
And Bin Laden (and Al Qaeda) wouldn't exist without the CIA right? Or are you denying that as well? |
That's true. But the CIA wasn't trying to create a figure-head for ideologically-driven attacks against the West--it was exploiting Bin Laden in its own ideologically-driven Cold War against the Communists. A gross miscalculation, to be sure. |
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OOPS. DURRR. Another SILLY mistake.
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Mark Gobell
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The 19 hijackers had clear links to al-Qaeda. There's even a money trail. |
Is there indeed.
Maybe you might like to share this revelation with a certain Thomas Kean, the chairman of the 9/11 Commission.
For it is this very man when replying to questions in a press conference prior to a lecture at Southwestern University in Georgetown, Texas on March 31st 2006 stated that:
"the job cost so little money and that it was too hard to trace."
This on top of the official statement published in The 9/11 Commission Report that the question of who bankrolled the September 11th attacks was "of little practical significance."
So, chipmunk stew could you provide us with some evidence of your assertion ? Please.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/keane_lecture_southwestern_uni versity.htm
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chipmunk stew
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | | chipmunk stew wrote: |
The 19 hijackers had clear links to al-Qaeda. There's even a money trail. |
Is there indeed.
Maybe you might like to share this revelation with a certain Thomas Kean, the chairman of the 9/11 Commission.
For it is this very man when replying to questions in a press conference prior to a lecture at Southwestern University in Georgetown, Texas on March 31st 2006 stated that:
"the job cost so little money and that it was too hard to trace."
This on top of the official statement published in The 9/11 Commission Report that the question of who bankrolled the September 11th attacks was "of little practical significance."
So, chipmunk stew could you provide us with some evidence of your assertion ? Please.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/keane_lecture_southwestern_uni versity.htm |
Look up Ali Abdul Aziz Ali. He's the nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He was funneling money to the hijackers. |
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Mark Gobell
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I will - thanks for the tip.
Just one thing - do you have anything to say in response to the statements made by Thomas Keen verbally and the 9/11 Commission Report ?
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I have just written this letter to our beloved war mongering puppet of a Prime Minister.
Let's see if I get a reply.
Tony Blair
10 Downing Street
London
SW1A 2AA
28th July 2006
Re: Your claim to have seen evidence linking UBL with 9/11
Dear Mr Blair
I am researching the tragic events of the attacks in America on September 11th 2001.
I read an online BBC report dated 30th September 2001 about your appearance on the BBC’s Breakfast with Frost programme. I quote the report extract here and provide a web link at the foot of the page:
“UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has said he has seen evidence of an "incontrovertible link" between Osama Bin Laden and the US terror attacks. “
On 5th June 2006 the USA based Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, to ask why the FBI’s Most Wanted poster of Bin Laden did not indicate that he was also wanted in connection with 9/11.
I quote here from the report and provide a web link at the bottom of the page.
The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
… Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. [..] He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
As you are reported by that bastion of truth, the BBC, as saying you have seen evidence of an "incontrovertible link" between Osama Bin Laden and the US terror attacks, and the FBI is on record as saying they have no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11, I was curious as to whether this “incontrovertible evidence” has been passed on to the FBI?
If so, given the enormous potential value of this “incontrovertible evidence” how is it do you think that the FBI have come to disregard it ?
In the light of the FBI’s decision and in your experience as a trained barrister, do you think that your original high opinion of the “incontrovertible evidence” was accurate ?
I would appreciate a written reply please.
PS. I trust you took full advantage of Britain’s “special relationship” with the USA and had a productive meeting with President Bush and that the British Government will eventually be seen to be resolving the abhorrent events in Palestine.
Thank you.
Yours sincerely
Mark Gobell
BBC Report Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1571439.stm
Muckraker Report Link: http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | I will - thanks for the tip.
Just one thing - do you have anything to say in response to the statements made by Thomas Keen verbally and the 9/11 Commission Report ? |
The Report also outlines the money funneled to the hijackers by Ali Abdul Aziz Ali.
Among other references:
| Quote: | | The Hamburg operatives paid for their flight training primarily with funds wired from Dubai by KSM's nephew, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali. Between June 29 and September 17, 2000,Ali sent Shehhi and Atta a total of $114,500 in five transfers ranging from $5,000 to $70,000.Ali relied on the unremarkable nature of his transactions, which were essentially invisible amid the billions of dollars flowing daily across the globe. Ali was not required to provide identification in sending this money and the aliases he used were not questioned. |
Putting "of little practical significance" in context, here's a snip of page 172, where the quote comes from:
| Quote: | To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance. Al Qaeda had many avenues of funding. If a particular funding source had dried up, al Qaeda could have easily tapped a different source or diverted funds from another project to fund an operation that cost $400,000-$500,000 over nearly two years.
The Funding of the 9/11 Plot
As noted above, the 9/11 plotters spent somewhere between $400,000 and $500,000 to plan and conduct their attack. The available evidence indicates that the 19 operatives were funded by al Qaeda, either through wire transfers or cash provided by KSM, which they carried into the United States or deposited in foreign accounts and accessed from this country. Our investigation has uncovered no credible evidence that any person in the United States gave the hijackers substantial financial assistance. Similarly, we have seen no evidence that any foreign government-or foreign government official-supplied any funding.
We have found no evidence that the Hamburg cell members (Atta, Shehhi, Jarrah, and Binalshibh) received funds from al Qaeda before late 1999. It appears they supported themselves. KSM, Binalshibh, and another plot facilitator, Mustafa al Hawsawi, each received money, in some cases perhaps as much as $10,000, to perform their roles in the plot.
After the Hamburg recruits joined the 9/11 conspiracy, al Qaeda began giving them money. Our knowledge of the funding during this period, before the operatives entered the United States, remains murky. According to KSM, the Hamburg cell members each received $5,000 to pay for their return to Germany from Afghanistan after they had been selected to join the plot, and they received additional funds for travel from Germany to the United States. Financial transactions of the plotters are discussed in more detail in chapter 7. |
Of little practical significance because tracking down one source of cash among many would do little to stem the flow. What was more significant from a practical investigative standpoint was tracking it to the point where it was funneled through members of the organization (which turns up the names Ali Abdul Aziz Ali and Ramzi Binalshibh, for instance.) |
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Mark Gobell
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Hi Chipmuck Stew
Many thanks for your reply.
Thinking critically about the report quotes I would conclude the following:
The report claims that KSM's nephew Ali Abdul Aziz paid for some flight training by wiring some money to him and two other people.
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To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks.
Would that be correct do you think ?
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