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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Hi Ian Reply with quote

Hi Ian,

I thought you were going to create a 'critic's corner' or something. When is this likely to happen?

Some of us don't want these soul-sapping trolls all over the 'latest issues' threads. It isn't that hard to expose their fraudulent and fixed agenda but it really is a waste of time for people to be continually faced with this dishonest, but organised and very determined blather.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Errr, if you haven't noticed its the last forum on the board.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Hi Ian Reply with quote

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Hi Ian,

I thought you were going to create a 'critic's corner' or something. When is this likely to happen?

Some of us don't want these soul-sapping trolls all over the 'latest issues' threads. It isn't that hard to expose their fraudulent and fixed agenda but it really is a waste of time for people to be continually faced with this dishonest, but organised and very determined blather.


kbo,

Ian may actually want his site to be part of a "TRUTH CAMPAIGN" instead of a haven for crypto-skinheads. How would it look for a web forum dedicated to TRUTH to be banning or otherwise hiding from those people who ask the hard questions?

If "dissent" is truly the greatest form of patriotism, why would a TRUTH movement seek to quash dissent?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If "dissent" is truly the greatest form of patriotism, why would a TRUTH movement seek to quash dissent?

I agree with you on this one, Jay. And I have to say, that fascists do seem to be an issue for the 9/11 movement. I've given up on Loose Change for exactly that reason.

But does that mean it's not an inside job?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jay Ref wrote:
If "dissent" is truly the greatest form of patriotism, why would a TRUTH movement seek to quash dissent?

I agree with you on this one, Jay. And I have to say, that fascists do seem to be an issue for the 9/11 movement. I've given up on Loose Change for exactly that reason.

But does that mean it's not an inside job?


You are very right. Smile Thank you. My faith in humanity just got a tad bit stronger. Now if you'll just get that evidence thing together for the inside job....?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can only but try.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gave up on Loose Change when a poster began to raise money (and did so very successfully and very quickly) to buy software so she could track hits on a site to see how successful her campaigning had been in her area to make sure it was 'cost effective'!!???
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scubadiver wrote:
Errr, if you haven't noticed its the last forum on the board.


Sorry. I have only ever accessed threads from the 'Latest Topics' on the home page.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And I have to say, that fascists do seem to be an issue for the 9/11 movement. I've given up on Loose Change for exactly that reason.


Is this a joke thread? If not, someone please explain the link between Loose Change and Fascism and quite how fascists are an issue for the truth movement. All complete nonsense.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this a joke thread? If not, someone please explain the link between Loose Change and Fascism and quite how fascists are an issue for the truth movement. All complete nonsense.


I meant the Loose Change forum which is infested with fascists although of course none of them would describe themselves as such. You don't think fascists are a problem? I do, they're all over 9/11, in fact I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the conspiracy was 'planted' there. I can name two fairly well known truthers/fascists - David Irving and Eric Hufscmidt. There are on the other hand no well known left wing truthers as yet. Howard Zinn probably comes the closest, but he's not there yet.

As for the film, I havn't watched it, but I support their efforts.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to forget that questioning 911 is automatic endorsment of Islamo-facists in some quarters

Obvious but true

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell - you put together Eric Hufschmid and David Irving - they are two kettles of different fish
I know Eric is hooked on the jews right now, but his painful deceptions history is well good
The jews are successfully drawing us in though as a race or religion they're not to blame
Its just the leaders who damn the jews to hell - just the Israeli leaders
The Israeli government and Mossad and Shin Bet and all those crawling slaves in the universally drafted IDF represent the war criminals
Everyone obeying orders a Nazi criminal
That's not to belittle the crimes of the German nazi regime, just to see how the Nazi Israel imitates

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is that the same Willhelm Reich that "discovered Orgone"??

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Hi Ian Reply with quote

Jay Ref wrote:


Ian may actually want his site to be part of a "TRUTH CAMPAIGN" instead of a haven for crypto-skinheads. How would it look for a web forum dedicated to TRUTH to be banning or otherwise hiding from those people who ask the hard questions?
-z


A few clarifications.

It ain't my site. The site grew from a network of UK activists who came together originally as a result of emails I sent. That means I'm familiar with our origins but it ain't my site. I would like to think it is 'our' site as in a site for supporters of the campaign statement.

No one to date has ever been banned from this forum other than porn posters

It has very few rules other than the principles which obviously aims to rule out crypto-skinheads and fascists

PS As a critic you should be posting in the critics corner

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know Ian.

These creeps are taking over and dominating the site. On another thread Jay_Ref states he has no doubts whatever about any detail of the official version.

He is most clearly (and always has been to me) NOT an honest man.

Engaging with them is damaging to the soul. It is poisoning. These swine have no agenda other than to prevent this site achieving its purpose.

I find I am as good at issuing depraved abuse as they are but I think less of myself for doing it. The only solution for me is to disengage from the site. But then....they have won.

I can see exactly what these people are and I loathe them, like I loathe the sub-human psychopaths that murdered 3000 people on 9/11. These people are pimples on the body of the gang that threaten all our futures.

We should give them no satisfaction at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually as far as creeps go I think you're one of the highest order. I agree with Jay Ref on this issue and it would be far better of the mods on this site to isolate 'crypto skinheads' to their own forum or better still ban them along with that idiotic mason-free party. Jay Ref actually seems quite reasonable to me, I think it's ridiculous that he's the one that is supposed to go to critics corner while you continue to spew hate everywhere.

BTW what do you see in your browser when you type in nineeleven.co.uk?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually as far as creeps go I think you're one of the highest order. I agree with Jay Ref on this issue and it would be far better of the mods on this site to isolate 'crypto skinheads' to their own forum or better still ban them along with that idiotic mason-free party. Jay Ref actually seems quite reasonable to me, I think it's ridiculous that he's the one that is supposed to go to critics corner while you continue to spew hate everywhere.

BTW what do you see in your browser when you type in nineeleven.co.uk?


Ive seen you defend jay ref quite a few times now IronSnot...
You are totally wrong about kbo234.
He is not a fascist nor is he a crypto-skinhead at all. Hes a christian and truthseeker who has researched the influence of zionism.
Something which you, quite obviously, havent done. The only people who shout "NAZI" at people for talking about zionism are those who dont understand the difference between a jew and a zionist. Its surely the result of propaganda and/or ignorance.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

I wish many wouldnt discuss zionism as much as they do for the exact reason you just exemplified. Not because i think people like kbo are nazis.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rubbish. All his links were to crypto nazi sites. He's a hateseeker not a truthseeker.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

proof?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rense is pretty well known for it's 'bias'. As for thetruthseeker.co.uk google Rixon Stewart the guy who registered the site and see what you find. And the article that that thread begins with is foul. I don't think even Rense would carry it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree the article in another thread is heavily biased but that doesnt mean you can say kbo is a nazi/crypto-skinhead. he didnt write it did he?

In this article here for example:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=2839

the reply was

Neo Con Christian nonsense

not "omg scubadiver you neocon christian fanatic"

There are bound to be articles posted that offend someone or another which is their choice it doesnt necessarily follow that the person posting agrees entirely with it, its all media for us to digest as we see fit init.
Everything is biased.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With respect scar, that link goes to a thread where scubadiver is asking for opinions.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know fella, i was just making a point that noone called scubadiver a neocon christian fanatic for posting that article.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rubbish. All his links were to crypto nazi sites. He's a hateseeker not a truthseeker.


Ironsnot, you are either a redneck fascist or an absolute f****** fool. Probably both.

You wouldn't recognise the truth if it turned green, crawled up your nose and ate your brain.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe he's not?

Plenty of evidence around for KBO's views. In fact it doesn't seem like 9/11 interests him at all.

You talk about the difference between zionists and jews earlier. KBO234 somewhere else talks of the jewish moneychangers from Bible lore having their table kicked over and mentions the Talmud as evidence against zionists. But this 'story' predates zionism by a good 1900 years.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In fact it doesn't seem like 9/11 interests him at all.

But this 'story' predates zionism by a good 1900 years.


I won't argue about 9/11 with people who are not engaging in honest inquisitive debate. Jay_Ref, Chipmunk Stew and Gravy fall into that category. I'm not sure about you Ironsnot.

You're right about the 1900 years but the principle holds good. Both Pharisaical Talmudism and Zionism connect spirituality to material and worldly advantage rather than relationship to God and the love in one's heart. The first was savagely condemned in the New Testament. Bearing in mind the similarity, why is it that the Christian churches do not stand up and point out the danger of Zionism in principle.

To be honest I think I'd hate Zionism just as much even if I didn't see myself as a Christian. Just look at its fruits. The gospels give justification to my position so I use it. That might be the truth of it. Really a Christian should be judged not on his/her moral posturing but on his acceptance of all that is and, therefore, his lack of anger. Here I go failing again....but this doesn't stop me believing that the Christian imperative itself is right, good and also true.

No more Christian stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronSnot wrote:
Maybe he's not?

Plenty of evidence around for KBO's views. In fact it doesn't seem like 9/11 interests him at all.

You talk about the difference between zionists and jews earlier. KBO234 somewhere else talks of the jewish moneychangers from Bible lore having their table kicked over and mentions the Talmud as evidence against zionists. But this 'story' predates zionism by a good 1900 years.


While i agree there is perhaps a tendency to overfocus on the moneychangers have you seen this?
Money Masters:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8442305921010099392
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5020331178524208549
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3510313821923167501

Or a more recent one:
http://www.freedomtofascism

Do you understand what fractional reserve banking means for us little folk?

To my mind what makes bankers evil is what they do:
Usury, which is exactly what jesus allegedly fought against - kicking over the tables etc as it is seen as a sin and for good reason.

Meyer Amschel Rothschild, the man who founded the Rothschild empire, once said very memorably, "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who makes the laws." Control the currency and you control the country.

Although quite firmly against monotheism, I agree with some values that are inherent to most religions as im sure everyone does. One of these is non-attachment to material things.

One main reason i am against it is divide and conquer. It sets people against each other and always has done throughout history. If you see anyone focusing on 1 single group as "the evil ones" it usually stems from faith.
Take Phelps for example. The most well known of the researchers exposing the jesuits. When you get down to it his motivation stems from his protestant faith which obviously biases him against catholics...
He has some racist views which arent derived from his faith, i dunno where he gets them from but i found some sickening stuff in my search...

Many have argued that DBS is a catholic (or a jesuit) hence his overfocus on zionism.
These groups are branches of the 'beast' often they are illusions, held teasingly in front of people with certain beliefs to entice them to attack it/join it and miss the one holding the illusion before them...the illuminated ones...
Its just like how the political parties are illusions with one 'guy' holding the strings of both.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said kbo. Questioning the history we've been taught doesn't make anyone a rascist.
Ironsnot I think you should read some of the older threads to build up a better picture of the folk here. You've only been here 3 weeks and are already calling people nazis and shouting your mouth off, demanding apologies, and you're in Australia which means none of us can bloody meet ya. Honestly, get off kbo's back.
I think it's interesting that kbo has been most involved with arguing the toss with the tiddlers, and now he's the one being accused of race hatred Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tone of this thread is typical of the disinformation crowd. Associate 9/11 truth seekers with anti-Semitism to give it a bad name and thereby try to nip any questioning in the bud. What do they fear from asking for a proper enquiry? Why do outspoken people like Sheen and Barret get pilloried and threatened simply for expressing opinions? There is something very dark about these people that they seek to suppress free speech. It makes me even more determined to spread the movement, especially when I remember that for years I believed the official account. How many millions more will change their view if given an alternative to the official account, which I now see as a fairy tale. Attempts to convince people like myself that the official version is correct is like trying to re-convert someone to a religion in which they were brainwashed for years but from which they escaped. No chance! What they really do of course is muddy the waters to try to prevent others from escaping the brainwashing the government has been inflicting on people for years.
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