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Justin 9/11 Truth Organiser

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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Jay Ref, we agree on something at last I'm pleased to say. But it is this mindset that is currently having an extremely unhealthy influence on American policy in the Middle East - and it is this neocon zionist (both Christian and Jewish) mindset that was behind PNAC. When you look at the major players in the American administration both before and after 9/11, they are nearly all active or benign supporters of neocon zionists - doesn't that worry you as an American? The body bags coming back from Iraq to America will be as to nothing compared to a conflict with Iran. What are you doing, as a loyal American, about preventing this hideous warmongering mindset from prevailing? We are doing our bit to wake the British public up about the hundreds of inconsistencies there are with the official 9/11 story and how false flag operations can be used effectively to carry out hidden agendas by powerful minorities. Now you are saying we are wrong in all of this as you believe the official story of 9/11 is true - everyone of the hundreds of inconsistencies and incredible coincidences are easily explained. Am I correct in assuming this? If I am correct and you trust your President, his cabinet, his wealthy backers and his 'spiritual' advisors, this means you, as a patriotic American support what is going on in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere in the War on Terror. Correct? Well, in which case, you are not exactly helping to find a cure to stop humanity being sucked into the Armageddon that these nutters and supporters of your President are so looking forward to.
| Quote: | People get sucked into this nonsense...enough people get sucked in and it goes from cult to "movement"...politicians can't afford to be seen as against the "movement" if it has attracted enough voters....once you get to really massive numbers of the deluded the movement becomes a mainstream "religion".
I don't doubt that humanity will eventually kill itself off...and I don't doubt that it'll meet some idiot's idea of prophecy...religion will be the death of humanity unless we can find a cure. |
I guess what I'm saying is....if America is made up of people like you then God help us!!!! _________________ Connect to Infinite Consciousness - enjoy the ride! |
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Jay Ref Moderate Poster

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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin wrote: | Well, Jay Ref, we agree on something at last I'm pleased to say. But it is this mindset that is currently having an extremely unhealthy influence on American policy in the Middle East - and it is this neocon zionist (both Christian and Jewish) mindset that was behind PNAC. When you look at the major players in the American administration both before and after 9/11, they are nearly all active or benign supporters of neocon zionists - doesn't that worry you as an American? The body bags coming back from Iraq to America will be as to nothing compared to a conflict with Iran. What are you doing, as a loyal American, about preventing this hideous warmongering mindset from prevailing? We are doing our bit to wake the British public up about the hundreds of inconsistencies there are with the official 9/11 story and how false flag operations can be used effectively to carry out hidden agendas by powerful minorities. Now you are saying we are wrong in all of this as you believe the official story of 9/11 is true - everyone of the hundreds of inconsistencies and incredible coincidences are easily explained. Am I correct in assuming this? If I am correct and you trust your President, his cabinet, his wealthy backers and his 'spiritual' advisors, this means you, as a patriotic American support what is going on in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere in the War on Terror. Correct? Well, in which case, you are not exactly helping to find a cure to stop humanity being sucked into the Armageddon that these nutters and supporters of your President are so looking forward to.
| Quote: | People get sucked into this nonsense...enough people get sucked in and it goes from cult to "movement"...politicians can't afford to be seen as against the "movement" if it has attracted enough voters....once you get to really massive numbers of the deluded the movement becomes a mainstream "religion".
I don't doubt that humanity will eventually kill itself off...and I don't doubt that it'll meet some idiot's idea of prophecy...religion will be the death of humanity unless we can find a cure. |
I guess what I'm saying is....if America is made up of people like you then God help us!!!! |
So...because politicians pander to religious idiots it makes the CT true? what kind of twisted logic is that? If you think the US or Britain (which BTW has a system of government which balances power between Judicial, Legislative, and Executive) is somehow more overrun with religious nuts than say Iran is???
You do know that the Robertsons and Hagees of Iran actually wield all of the power??? You know that right? And yet to your warped mind somehow the US, Britain, and Israel are the axis of evil?
This is why the rest of us non-troothers think you guys are nucking futs.
-z _________________ "Knowledge is good"
-Emil Faber
"God in heaven. Here's the hard-headed, evidence-only freak who will not, like we CTers, indulge himself in self-inflating, utterly misconceived fantasies." -kbo234 (who is NOT a nazi) briefly makes sense |
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Pikey Banned

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Justin 9/11 Truth Organiser

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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Jay Ref wrote:
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Justin wrote:
Well, Jay Ref, we agree on something at last I'm pleased to say. But it is this mindset that is currently having an extremely unhealthy influence on American policy in the Middle East - and it is this neocon zionist (both Christian and Jewish) mindset that was behind PNAC. When you look at the major players in the American administration both before and after 9/11, they are nearly all active or benign supporters of neocon zionists - doesn't that worry you as an American? The body bags coming back from Iraq to America will be as to nothing compared to a conflict with Iran. What are you doing, as a loyal American, about preventing this hideous warmongering mindset from prevailing? We are doing our bit to wake the British public up about the hundreds of inconsistencies there are with the official 9/11 story and how false flag operations can be used effectively to carry out hidden agendas by powerful minorities. Now you are saying we are wrong in all of this as you believe the official story of 9/11 is true - everyone of the hundreds of inconsistencies and incredible coincidences are easily explained. Am I correct in assuming this? If I am correct and you trust your President, his cabinet, his wealthy backers and his 'spiritual' advisors, this means you, as a patriotic American support what is going on in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere in the War on Terror. Correct? Well, in which case, you are not exactly helping to find a cure to stop humanity being sucked into the Armageddon that these nutters and supporters of your President are so looking forward to.
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People get sucked into this nonsense...enough people get sucked in and it goes from cult to "movement"...politicians can't afford to be seen as against the "movement" if it has attracted enough voters....once you get to really massive numbers of the deluded the movement becomes a mainstream "religion".
I don't doubt that humanity will eventually kill itself off...and I don't doubt that it'll meet some idiot's idea of prophecy...religion will be the death of humanity unless we can find a cure.
I guess what I'm saying is....if America is made up of people like you then God help us!!!!
So...because politicians pander to religious idiots it makes the CT true? what kind of twisted logic is that? If you think the US or Britain (which BTW has a system of government which balances power between Judicial, Legislative, and Executive) is somehow more overrun with religious nuts than say Iran is???
You do know that the Robertsons and Hagees of Iran actually wield all of the power??? You know that right? And yet to your warped mind somehow the US, Britain, and Israel are the axis of evil?
This is why the rest of us non-troothers think you guys are nucking futs.
-z
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"Knowledge is good"
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"God in heaven. Here's the hard-headed, evidence-only freak who will not, like we CTers, indulge himself in self-inflating, utterly misconceived fantasies." -kbo234 (who is NOT a nazi) briefly makes sense |
Jay Ref, if you look very carefully at what I have written here, you will see some questions I have asked. Come on old boy, why don't you even attempt to answer them? _________________ Connect to Infinite Consciousness - enjoy the ride! |
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Jay Ref Moderate Poster

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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Why? |
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| Jay Ref wrote: | 1.) Assuming that the government LIHOP/MIHOP'ed the 9/11 attacks in order to create a premise for the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq...
Why did they use Saudi, Egyptian, Lebanese attackers? Why didn't they use Iraqi and Afghan hijackers? This makes no sense to me. Does it make sense to anyone else? If so, why?
2.) If the WTC towers were wired for demolition, why chance flying planes into them? Why not just set them off at night when there is little chance of the detonations being filmed or even witnessed by very many people and then blaming it on UBL?
Why did they need the planes?
3.) Flight 93...why wasn't it allowed to hit a target? This makes no sense as a LIHOP/MIHOP. Why divert and land the plane just to disappear the passengers? OR, why crash/shootdown/or fake the Shanksville crash? It seems to me that in a LIHOP/MIHOP scenario the plane should have reached it's target. Hence the hole in the field in Shanksville seems pretty senseless.
Why?
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Justin,
If you look very carefully you will see that I started this thread as a way to get a few simple "why" questions answered. (BTW all these questions actually are directly related to the 9/11 CT)
If you feel that you have questions to be addressed then by all means start your own thread instead of attempting to derail mine. It's rude, and I know you don't want to be rude...
-z _________________ "Knowledge is good"
-Emil Faber
"God in heaven. Here's the hard-headed, evidence-only freak who will not, like we CTers, indulge himself in self-inflating, utterly misconceived fantasies." -kbo234 (who is NOT a nazi) briefly makes sense |
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Sinclair Moderate Poster


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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Jay Ref wrote: | Quote: | | the hole in the field in Shanksville seems pretty senseless |
Indeed
I have to agree with you on this occasion Jay Ref!
Note the above are Official evidence, released in 2006 , as used in the U.S. v. Moussaoui trial.[/quote]
For all you sleuths, note the evidence of a plane......... |
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Jay Ref Moderate Poster

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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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A Plane flying in excess of 500 mph meets mother earth at a steep angle and creates hole in ground.
So what's your point? You gonna say it's faked? Where's your evidence?
-z _________________ "Knowledge is good"
-Emil Faber
"God in heaven. Here's the hard-headed, evidence-only freak who will not, like we CTers, indulge himself in self-inflating, utterly misconceived fantasies." -kbo234 (who is NOT a nazi) briefly makes sense |
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Sinclair Moderate Poster


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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Jay Ref wrote: | You gonna say it's faked? Where's your evidence?
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So did it all embed into the ground then, JayRef? |
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Johnny Pixels Moderate Poster


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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Sinclair wrote: | | Jay Ref wrote: | You gonna say it's faked? Where's your evidence?
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So did it all embed into the ground then, JayRef? |
You got any photos of another plane crash where the plane flew at a steep angle into the ground at 500mph? |
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Pikey Banned

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Johnny Pixels Moderate Poster


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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Pikey wrote: |
J ref states:-
| Quote: | | You got any photos of another plane crash where the plane flew at a steep angle into the ground at 500mph? |
Yep some plane crash evidence here to indicate what you would expect to see as the evidence of a plane crash (not at the Pentagon though!)
http://www.holisticharmony.net.au/ukprobe/pentagon.swf
Peace & truth |
Just give me the names and dates of the plane crashes, instead of peddling a video. |
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Jay Ref Moderate Poster

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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Sinclair wrote: | | Jay Ref wrote: | You gonna say it's faked? Where's your evidence?
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So did it all embed into the ground then, JayRef? |
You got any photos of another plane crash where the plane flew at a steep angle into the ground at 500mph? |
[Horshak] Oooh! Ooooh!!! I do, I do!!! [/horshak]
US Air 427 nose dived from about 3,000 feet due to rudder malfunction.
| Quote: | | The airplane crashed while maneuvering to land at Pittsburgh International Airport. The airplane entered an uncontrolled descent and impacted terrain about 6 miles east of the airport. The airplane struck the ground at an angle of descent of about 80 degrees, in a slight roll to the left, and the airspeed was about 260 knots at impact. |
Well okay...it was half the speed of flight 93....and didn't have chanting jihadists pointing the nose at the ground and pushing the throttles to max power...but hey, sure made a mess of the plane didn't it? Erm plane?? What plane?? Anyone up for a game of "Hunt the Boeing"?? Please leave your sense of taste, sensitivity to the dead, and decorum behind...you'll do better without them.
-z _________________ "Knowledge is good"
-Emil Faber
"God in heaven. Here's the hard-headed, evidence-only freak who will not, like we CTers, indulge himself in self-inflating, utterly misconceived fantasies." -kbo234 (who is NOT a nazi) briefly makes sense |
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Eckyboy Validated Poster

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| One of the many glaring problems with the 911 commission report Jay Ref is exactly the same as something you have already mentioned. You stated there is only one source that mentions the WTC power down on the weekend before 911 and as there is no corroboration it should not be valid. If we agree with that logic then much of the 911 commission report must also be discounted as in many of their sources they rely on only one testimony without any other corroboration. a single source testimony without any corroboration or any other evidence backing it up is not my idea of a definitive and exhaustive investigative process. Would you not agree Jay Ref or are you a hypocrite? |
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Jay Ref Moderate Poster

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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Eckyboy wrote: | | One of the many glaring problems with the 911 commission report Jay Ref is exactly the same as something you have already mentioned. You stated there is only one source that mentions the WTC power down on the weekend before 911 and as there is no corroboration it should not be valid. If we agree with that logic then much of the 911 commission report must also be discounted as in many of their sources they rely on only one testimony without any other corroboration. a single source testimony without any corroboration or any other evidence backing it up is not my idea of a definitive and exhaustive investigative process. Would you not agree Jay Ref or are you a hypocrite? |
"Many"...."sources"...??? did you really just say that?? Are you really so stupid that you could debunk yourself with your own words?
...yeah I guess you are.
You should consider donating your organs.
-z _________________ "Knowledge is good"
-Emil Faber
"God in heaven. Here's the hard-headed, evidence-only freak who will not, like we CTers, indulge himself in self-inflating, utterly misconceived fantasies." -kbo234 (who is NOT a nazi) briefly makes sense |
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Ecky's meaning is clear enough and it's a good point.
If you and other critics dismiss all reports that are single sourced, then by the same logic much of the commission report must be dismissed since its assertions are often based on a single source or testimony. |
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chipmunk stew Moderate Poster


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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ian neal wrote: | Ecky's meaning is clear enough and it's a good point.
If you and other critics dismiss all reports that are single sourced, then by the same logic much of the commission report must be dismissed since its assertions are often based on a single source or testimony. |
It's not merely that the power down rumor is single sourced, it's that, if true, it would be a trivial matter to corroborate it. |
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Jay Ref Moderate Poster

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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ian neal wrote: | Ecky's meaning is clear enough and it's a good point.
If you and other critics dismiss all reports that are single sourced, then by the same logic much of the commission report must be dismissed since its assertions are often based on a single source or testimony. |
Single sources that corroborate each other are no longer single...they're now multiple. This is why Ecky's post was not a good point. Indeed it was a self debunking and if you can't see that then you are clearly not as reasonable as the image you are attempting to project.
-z _________________ "Knowledge is good"
-Emil Faber
"God in heaven. Here's the hard-headed, evidence-only freak who will not, like we CTers, indulge himself in self-inflating, utterly misconceived fantasies." -kbo234 (who is NOT a nazi) briefly makes sense |
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DeFecToR Moderate Poster


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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Jay Lord. Good to see you back. Have a nice weekend?
Have to say, liitle disappointed at your posts so far today. Lacking in the biting venom you usually exibit. Standards are slipping old boy.
Any chance of a liitle dance? Give me giggle?
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DeFecToR Moderate Poster


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I'm really starting to get a nack for stopping this moron dead.
HEY JAY LORD. WAKE UP!!!!
WE NEED OUR FIX!!!
Call me a buffoon. Or better yet a roust'a'bout.
Pleeeease.  _________________ "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."
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Eckyboy Validated Poster

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| My post was valid Jay Ref. Why don't you do yourself a favour and try and answer it rather than nit picking over wording which most people find no problem fault with. I mention their sources as in there is a list of sources not as in they have numerous sources for their sources. You should check some of your own previous posts in regards too poor grammar and mistakes. Never mind working in the Pentagon I would not give you a job in McDonalds you clown. |
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Eckyboy wrote: | | You should check some of your own previous posts in regards to poor grammar and mistakes. |
Corrected. |
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aggle-rithm Moderate Poster


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| Eckyboy wrote: | | One of the many glaring problems with the 911 commission report Jay Ref is exactly the same as something you have already mentioned. You stated there is only one source that mentions the WTC power down on the weekend before 911 and as there is no corroboration it should not be valid. If we agree with that logic then much of the 911 commission report must also be discounted as in many of their sources they rely on only one testimony without any other corroboration. a single source testimony without any corroboration or any other evidence backing it up is not my idea of a definitive and exhaustive investigative process. Would you not agree Jay Ref or are you a hypocrite? |
If the WTC powered down long enough to plant enough explosives to pulverize the concrete, as many CT'ers argue, then more than one person should have noticed it, don't you think?
In fact, if ANYTHING unusual happened in the WTC the week before the attack, don't you think more than one of the thousands of survivors would have mentioned it?
Consider this scenario: The space shuttle is taking off. There are hundreds of people there to watch it, and it is on live television. The next day, ONE person reports that it exploded on takeoff. No one else noticed anything unusual.
Is this witness credible, or not? |
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marky 54 Mega Poster

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| just want to point out to everyone that a probe was flown into the moon today the size of a washing machine at 5,000 miles an hour. they said they will beable to examine the site and wreckage on the next manned mission. so if they expect wreckage from a 5,000 mile an hour impact where is it from the 500 mile an hour impact from flight 93. im not saying its a conspiracy im just asking a question that dosnt add up. they need to make there minds up on how fast something has to go for it to vapourise. |
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i doubt the probe was loaded with jet fuel however, not much of a comparsion being totally different.....and in space
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Johnny Pixels Moderate Poster


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I believe they are planning on investigating the debris thrown up, ie the moon dust and soil, not the remains of the probe. _________________
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. - Umberto Eco
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chipmunk stew Moderate Poster


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| marky 54 wrote: | | just want to point out to everyone that a probe was flown into the moon today the size of a washing machine at 5,000 miles an hour. they said they will beable to examine the site and wreckage on the next manned mission. so if they expect wreckage from a 5,000 mile an hour impact where is it from the 500 mile an hour impact from flight 93. im not saying its a conspiracy im just asking a question that dosnt add up. they need to make there minds up on how fast something has to go for it to vapourise. |
Most of flight 93 was recovered. |
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marky 54 Mega Poster

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| ah ok jet fuel vapourises things, ok. and if you can showme a picture of the wreckage from flight 93 id love to see it as im yet to see anything that resembles a plane. and yes they are examing debris from the moon now, but i heard on a news report a guy saying that they will be examining the wreckage on the next manned mission which was spread over a 30 mile radius, i was just wondering why this man did'nt even comprehend that it may of vapourised seeing as though it was traveling 10x faster than flight 93. and this notion that jet fuel vapourises things is just silly, there have been tons of plane crashes and there has all ways been wreckage, however chipmunk stew obviously has seen something we havent, please i would love to see this as it would definantly put my mind at rest. i've only ever seen a small crater with tiny little bits of something around no engines,luggage chairs ect. but then your gonna tell me that jet feul made it all disappear magically arent you. well it never has before even with the ukraine,kentucky and the british plane in afghanistan there was wreckage and dont they carry jet feul?. |
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chipmunk stew Moderate Poster


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| marky 54 wrote: | | ah ok jet fuel vapourises things, ok. and if you can showme a picture of the wreckage from flight 93 id love to see it as im yet to see anything that resembles a plane. and yes they are examing debris from the moon now, but i heard on a news report a guy saying that they will be examining the wreckage on the next manned mission which was spread over a 30 mile radius, i was just wondering why this man did'nt even comprehend that it may of vapourised seeing as though it was traveling 10x faster than flight 93. and this notion that jet fuel vapourises things is just silly, there have been tons of plane crashes and there has all ways been wreckage, however chipmunk stew obviously has seen something we havent, please i would love to see this as it would definantly put my mind at rest. i've only ever seen a small crater with tiny little bits of something around no engines,luggage chairs ect. but then your gonna tell me that jet feul made it all disappear magically arent you. well it never has before even with the ukraine,kentucky and the british plane in afghanistan there was wreckage and dont they carry jet feul?. |
The only people who think that the official version claims any of the planes were literally vaporized are conspiracy theorists.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010925scene0925p2.asp
| Quote: | | The FBI said yesterday that it has finished its work at the crash scene of United Flight 93 after recovering about 95 percent of the downed airliner |
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marky 54 Mega Poster

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| woot something that looks credible ill look into this thanks chipmunk, and by the way your right the conspiracy theorists did tell me the plane had vapourised because i distantly remember it being told on the news numerious times, however the wreckage has appeared now so im a little more relieved now as i dont want to think any of this was a cover-up however lots of things were screaming at me theres something there not telling us, so if that wreckage is indeed from flight 93 and not from some other aircraft that landed in a field in a previous crash (which could easily be put together if you wanted people to believe it was flight 93) then you have settled my issues with this subject. and the only reason i was sceptical before is because all the video footage that is availble of the crash site shows no wreckage so ill be looking at the actual footage which was shot not long after the crash to see if that engine part was in the tiny crater however if not then how do i know which source is credible? as reality is what you believe something to be, and what you believe is what you have been told, and seeing as though everyone is capable of lieing, how do you truely know what reality is. |
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chipmunk stew Moderate Poster


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| marky 54 wrote: | | ill be looking at the actual footage which was shot not long after the crash to see if that engine part was in the tiny crater however if not then how do i know which source is credible? |
You won't see that engine part in the footage you're talking about. The part was uncovered by that bucket shovel in the picture. You may see other debris, I don't know. A lot of the stuff on the surface appears to have been quite small.
| marky 54 wrote: | | as reality is what you believe something to be, and what you believe is what you have been told, and seeing as though everyone is capable of lieing, how do you truely know what reality is. |
The way scientists and investigators determine what reality is is by interpreting the convergence of evidence, or (in the case of the investigator) through multiple-source corroboration. This has been a highly successful method of discerning between myth and reality for hundreds of years. It's very difficult to fake evidence without being found out, especially for something given such scrutiny as 9/11.
If you are looking for corroboration about flight 93, I suggest you look beyond conspiracy websites and lo-res, wide-angle footage. If it's really bugging you, talk to the people who were there. Find some more up-close images (the ones above I found in five minutes of Google image searching--with more determination, I'm certain you'd be able to dig up a lot more). Read witnesses' accounts.
Probably the worst method towards discovering the reality of flight 93 is trying to interpret grainy footage. |
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