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 Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:17 am Post subject: BBC - Hijack Suspects Alive And Well |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.
The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.
Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.
His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.
Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.
He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.
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Can someone point me to further info on the final paragraph on this story;
' FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt."
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I've been trying to understand the news reports and statements that surround this particular story;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
It concerns a Mr Waleed Al Shehri - "one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September." - (quote from the story)
The story seems to be pretty clear cut regarding him being falsly accused of involvment in 911.
I vaguely remembered reading at 911myths that these stories of hijackers still being alive were actually cases of mistaken identity, though this seemed unlikely given this portion of the story;
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His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world."
"Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.
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This seems to imply that it was a result of his picture being shown on worldwide media that he then began protesting his innocence.
So, it would seem, it is definately him, and he is still alive. So he cant have been one of the hijackers.
I decided to see what exactly 911myths has to say on this particular 'hijacker'.
This is what they say;
http://www.911myths.com/html/waleed_al-shehri_still_alive.html
Firstly they begin by saying;
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Our take...
There are a few problems with this account.
The BBC refer to him as "Waleed Al Shehri", for instance, but the hijacker named by the FBI is Waleed M. Al Shehri. Only one initial, but it's still enough to mean they may not have the same name.
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This seems like clutching at straws as far as i'm concerned. It would be the same as me saying "George Bush is a war criminal", but later claiming that i was refering to a different George Bush because i left out the 'W'.
Still, its a moot point because of the photo right?
They then state;
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Also, unfortunately for the "still alive" stories, there are reports that the BBCs Waleed is indeed an entirely different person called Waleed A Al Shehri. |
For this they site the following story;
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/embryriddle092101.html
that does indeed state;
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Embry-Riddle records show that a student with the name Waleed A. Al-Shehri graduated with a bachelor of science degree in aeronautical science. |
A difference of one letter to the official FBI hijacker list that shows one of the hijackers of flight 11 to be a 'Waleed M. Alshehri'
This discrepancy, though sourced, does not convince me at all that the BBC were refering to another Al Shehri as the official FBI list carried the same photo as the one printed in the BBC article;
They go on to site this story;
http://web.archive.org/web/20040707010907/http://www.ncmonline.com/con tent/ncm/2001/oct/1005identities.html
That states that the still alive Al Shehri does not have a brother though the FBI hijacker list includes a Wail M. Alshehri, the brother of Al Shehri.
A definate discrepancy right? But then why did he recognise his image as released by the FBI?
911myths has this to say;
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There’s still the question of the photo, of course. How could he recognise it? Note that this interview took place on the 22nd, and As-Shahri refers to his photo appearing on CNN on the preceding Sunday (the 16th). This suggests it’s not a photo from the FBI list, as that didn’t appear until September 27th (unless some of these were released separately in the first week after the attacks, and we’ve seen no evidence of that).
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Notice "and we've seen no evidence of that".
Eh?
The BBC's story is dated sept 23rd and carries the same picture that appears on the FBI's hijacker list!
How can they have missed that? This photo is not supposed to have surfaced until four days later.
The site then goes on to state how a completely different Al-Shehri with all sorts of ties to the Saudi military, and a brother, has been identified as the 'real' Al Shahri.
Okay, i can maybe accept that he is the real guy, but what about the FBI's
published photo? Is it definately him?
If CNN had shown a picture of the wrong guy, the how were the BBC able to show the correct picture fives days before the official list had been released? Where did they get it from if CNN were using an incorrect picture?
Doesn't make sense to me. The interview took place on the 22nd. The BBC report was the NEXT DAY. Where did they get the updated image from?
Seems really wierd that we have one guy, with a brother, who cant fly, and another guy, with no brother who can, both implictaed in 911 with almost exactly the same name.
I dont get it. Someone would need to explain to me how the BBC got the 'real' image of the hijacker. Would they have updated it AFTER running the story?
This is begining to annoy me.
Any help here would be much appreciated.
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Is it possible that most news outlets were showing the proper image but CNN were the only ones to broadcast the wrong image?
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I said before that I was astonished when I saw my picture on the CNN channel. I believe the photo was taken from the "Flight Safety" (= Flight CFT?) school when I was being trained there for two months. The photo looks like one taken at that time. - Sept 22nd (presumably the interview took place on the 21st)
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He does not mention that there is a different photo now circulating.
Plus the BBC article that appeared on the 23rd stated;
His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.
Are the BBC wrong here and it was only CNN that showed the wrong photo?
Surely he would have seen the updated image an mentioned it in the interview if indeed this was the image that was broadcast around the world.
FOR F**K SAKE i'm too tired for this.
My brain hurts.
Can anyone tell me how the FBI compiled the list?
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This from Wikipedia;
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Waleed and Wail were both mistakenly reported to have been found alive and well, by the BBC later in 2001. They were initially reported in error by a Saudi newspaper editor as the sons of Ahmed Alshehri, a senior Saudi diplomat stationed in Bombay, India. On September 16, 2001, the diplomat Ahmed Alshehri denied that he was the father of the two hijackers. Wail claims he did attend Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida - but was the victim of mistaken identity, since he used that training to secure his current position with a Moroccan airline company. Saudi Arabia has confirmed his story, and suggested he was the victim of identity theft.
Muhammad Ali Al-Shihri, the hijacker al-Shehri brothers' true father, was identified prior to September 17, 2001, and told Arab News that he hadn't heard from his sons in ten months prior to September 2001.[1] An ABC News story in March 2002 repeated this, and during a report entitled "A Saudi Apology" for Dateline NBC on Aug 25 2002, NBC's reporter John Hockenberry traveled to 'Asir, where he interviewed the third brother, Salah, who agreed that his two brothers were dead and claimed they had been "brainwashed".
Furthermore another article explains that the pilot who lives in Casablanca was named Walid al-Shri (not Waleed M. al-Shehri) and that much of the BBC information regarding "alive" hijackers was incorrect according to the same sources used by BBC.[8]
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WHAT FRIG*ING PHOTO DID THIS GUY SEE!!??!!
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| DeFecToR wrote: | I've been trying to understand the news reports and statements that surround this particular story;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
It concerns a Mr Waleed Al Shehri - "one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September." - (quote from the story)
The story seems to be pretty clear cut regarding him being falsly accused of involvment in 911.
I vaguely remembered reading at 911myths that these stories of hijackers still being alive were actually cases of mistaken identity, though this seemed unlikely given this portion of the story;
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His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world."
"Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.
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This seems to imply that it was a result of his picture being shown on worldwide media that he then began protesting his innocence.
So, it would seem, it is definately him, and he is still alive. So he cant have been one of the hijackers.
I decided to see what exactly 911myths has to say on this particular 'hijacker'.
This is what they say;
http://www.911myths.com/html/waleed_al-shehri_still_alive.html
Firstly they begin by saying;
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Our take...
There are a few problems with this account.
The BBC refer to him as "Waleed Al Shehri", for instance, but the hijacker named by the FBI is Waleed M. Al Shehri. Only one initial, but it's still enough to mean they may not have the same name.
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This seems like clutching at straws as far as i'm concerned. It would be the same as me saying "George Bush is a war criminal", but later claiming that i was refering to a different George Bush because i left out the 'W'.
Still, its a moot point because of the photo right?
They then state;
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Also, unfortunately for the "still alive" stories, there are reports that the BBCs Waleed is indeed an entirely different person called Waleed A Al Shehri. |
For this they site the following story;
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/embryriddle092101.html
that does indeed state;
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Embry-Riddle records show that a student with the name Waleed A. Al-Shehri graduated with a bachelor of science degree in aeronautical science. |
A difference of one letter to the official FBI hijacker list that shows one of the hijackers of flight 11 to be a 'Waleed M. Alshehri'
This discrepancy, though sourced, does not convince me at all that the BBC were refering to another Al Shehri as the official FBI list carried the same photo as the one printed in the BBC article;
They go on to site this story;
http://web.archive.org/web/20040707010907/http://www.ncmonline.com/con tent/ncm/2001/oct/1005identities.html
That states that the still alive Al Shehri does not have a brother though the FBI hijacker list includes a Wail M. Alshehri, the brother of Al Shehri.
A definate discrepancy right? But then why did he recognise his image as released by the FBI?
911myths has this to say;
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There’s still the question of the photo, of course. How could he recognise it? Note that this interview took place on the 22nd, and As-Shahri refers to his photo appearing on CNN on the preceding Sunday (the 16th). This suggests it’s not a photo from the FBI list, as that didn’t appear until September 27th (unless some of these were released separately in the first week after the attacks, and we’ve seen no evidence of that).
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Notice "and we've seen no evidence of that".
Eh?
The BBC's story is dated sept 23rd and carries the same picture that appears on the FBI's hijacker list!
How can they have missed that? This photo is not supposed to have surfaced until four days later.
The site then goes on to state how a completely different Al-Shehri with all sorts of ties to the Saudi military, and a brother, has been identified as the 'real' Al Shahri.
Okay, i can maybe accept that he is the real guy, but what about the FBI's
published photo? Is it definately him?
If CNN had shown a picture of the wrong guy, the how were the BBC able to show the correct picture fives days before the official list had been released? Where did they get it from if CNN were using an incorrect picture?
Doesn't make sense to me. The interview took place on the 22nd. The BBC report was the NEXT DAY. Where did they get the updated image from?
Seems really wierd that we have one guy, with a brother, who cant fly, and another guy, with no brother who can, both implictaed in 911 with almost exactly the same name.
I dont get it. Someone would need to explain to me how the BBC got the 'real' image of the hijacker. Would they have updated it AFTER running the story?
This is begining to annoy me.
Any help here would be much appreciated. |
Now that is interresting: well reasoned out DeFecToR, another gaping hole in the official conspiracy theory
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I'm not sure. It is certainly a very annoying hole but the most likely explanation is that somehow CNN broadcast a different picture that he happened to see. Though this would still leave some gaps in the story.
Where is that photo?
Why did he not notice the change in photo between the time he first saw it and the subsequent interview?
Is that the original photo published along with the BBC article?
If so, where did they get it from if that photo differed from the original one broadcast before the FBI list was released?
It does make me wonder about the authenticity of the original interview aswell as the 'real' family members interviews.
Its all very very murky.
I guess it could only be resolved if the 'original' photo surfaced, or contact could be made with the 'still alive' Al Shahri.
One thing i do have to agree with 911myths on is the fact that apparently no articles dealing with this problem exist after the official FBI list was released on the 27th. Surely if the photo on that list is still disputed there would be a more recent complaint by the 'still alive' Al Shahri.
Either way, its a puzzle, no doubt.
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