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 Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: Make me a conspiracy 9/11 timeline |
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The official report has timelines for major events. I'd like to see the 9/11 denial movement come up with a satisfactory timeline of the events they believe led up to, and occured on 9/11, such as when the explosives were planted, when 767s were refurbished to look like passenger jets, when planning for 9/11 started, that kind of thing.
I'd just like to see how they see all these events fitting together in time.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Make me a conspiracy 9/11 timeline |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | The official report has timelines for major events. I'd like to see the 9/11 denial movement come up with a satisfactory timeline of the events they believe led up to, and occured on 9/11, such as when the explosives were planted, when 767s were refurbished to look like passenger jets, when planning for 9/11 started, that kind of thing.
I'd just like to see how they see all these events fitting together in time. |
I only speak for myself obviously but i am not here to perform your little games. What on earth is the point of spending my day drawing up a timeline of events for someone like yourself who is as open-minded as a brick to argue over for the next three days?
If i were to draw up a timeline it would be for people who were willing to objectively and honestly criticise it. Not for it to be bashed by people who already have an agenda and will not admit to being wrong when it is proven so (which has now been done here more times than i can count).
I'm sorry if i sound overly forceful here but this kind of request is pretty childish.
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Johnny Pixels
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Make me a conspiracy 9/11 timeline |
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| DeFecToR wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | The official report has timelines for major events. I'd like to see the 9/11 denial movement come up with a satisfactory timeline of the events they believe led up to, and occured on 9/11, such as when the explosives were planted, when 767s were refurbished to look like passenger jets, when planning for 9/11 started, that kind of thing.
I'd just like to see how they see all these events fitting together in time. |
I only speak for myself obviously but i am not here to perform your little games. What on earth is the point of spending my day drawing up a timeline of events for someone like yourself who is as open-minded as a brick to argue over for the next three days?
If i were to draw up a timeline it would be for people who were willing to objectively and honestly criticise it. Not for it to be bashed by people who already have an agenda and will not admit to being wrong when it is proven so (which has now been done here more times than i can count).
I'm sorry if i sound overly forceful here but this kind of request is pretty childish. |
Don't do it for me then. Post in the articles section where I'm not allowed to comment on it.
I just wanted to see if there was any general consensus on when things happened in the non-official account of things.
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Er, no.
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Johnny Pixels
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So are you saying that a timeline of events cannot be constructed? Or just that you can't be bothered?
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: |
So are you saying that a timeline of events cannot be constructed? Or just that you can't be bothered? |
It can't be constructed because they don't have a lick of evidence of any logistical preparations for any proposed inside job theory whatsoever.
Their entire argument is a false dichotomy based on straw men and non sequiturs. Example: free-fall collapse is impossible; ergo, it was a controlled demolition. |
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Er, no, as in; i'm not going to jump through your pathetic hoops.
And chipmunk, repeating over and over that there is no evidence will not make it true.
And no, my opinion on the demolition of the TT comes from alittle more than just collapse times.
Stop trying to steer the opinions of lurkers. It is an insult to their intelligence and your own sense of honesty, should you have any.
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| DeFecToR wrote: | Er, no, as in; i'm not going to jump through your pathetic hoops.
And chipmunk, repeating over and over that there is no evidence will not make it true.
And no, my opinion on the demolition of the TT comes from alittle more than just collapse times.
Stop trying to steer the opinions of lurkers. It is an insult to their intelligence and your own sense of honesty, should you have any. |
If you've got evidence, take it to court.
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| DeFecToR wrote: | | And chipmunk, repeating over and over that there is no evidence will not make it true. |
There's evidence of logistical preparations? I've never ever ever heard of any. Could you present it, please?
Actually, that's not entirely true. I've heard evidence of opportunity--the power downs. Unfortunately, this uncorroborated story only applies to the top half of one of the three buildings, which doesn't account for oppotunity necessary for logistical preparations in the rest of the buildings that would allow for CD. But this likely isn't true anyway, considering the lack of corroboration. And it also only would possibly give opportunity. There's no evidence that I'm aware of of actual preparations during that or any other time.
But please, if there's any other evidence of logistical preparation for this or any of the other 9/11 CTs, enlighten me. |
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I made my own:
Feel free to change the bits that may be wrong. I'm not entirely up to speed with all this.
8th August 1999:
Boeing loans two 767 aircraft to EADS (European Aeronautic and Space Company) for research into automatic guidance and landing systems
10th July 2001:
Boeing recalls 767 aircraft from EADS, flies them to Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
8th-9th September 2001:
Cabling upgrades occur in the WTC. This results in a power down over night for several hours. While security is down operatives move in to plant explosive charges in the tower.
10th September 2001:
Osama Bin Laden visit hospital on the advice of his CIA handler
Two separate trucks are moved to the underground garages of the WTC towers.
11th September 2001:
7:59 - AA11 Takes off
8:14 - UA175 Takes off
8:19 - AA11 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:20 - AA77 Takes off
8:30 - 59-2584, a Boeing B-52G Stratofortress takes off from Paine Field, Snohorrish county, Washington
8:35 - EADS 767s leave Fort Bragg en route for New York, under the remote control of operatives, most likely in Houston, Texas.
8:42 - UA93 takes off
8:46 - Truck bomb in WTC parking garage detonated
8:46:40 - EADS 767 hits North Tower
8:47 - UA 175 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:56 - AA77 Pilot turns off transponder
9:03:11 - EADS 767 hits South Tower
9:03:12 - Truck bomb detonates in OSuth Tower parking garage
9:15 - Workers enter North Tower disguised as firemen to check integrity of explosives
9:18 - Workers enter South Tower for same purpose.
9:30 - 59-2584 changes transponder code to that of AA77
WTC 7 Evacuated to allow explosives operatives in
9:34 - NEADS advised that AA77 is missing
9:35 - 59-2584 Launches Boeing AGM-86A Air Launched Cruise Missile away from the Pentagon
9:36 - 59-2584 Circles area caausing confusion over its radar return, and that of the ALCM.
ALCM circles to allow its GPS to obtain a location fix
9:37 - ALCM obtains fix and dives to ground skimming altitude. Its hardwired programming includes jinking to avoid antiaircraft fire. Ths causes it to damage several lightpoles
9:37:45 - ALCM launches "cluster" 3 part warhead
59 - 2584 heads towards Shanksville
9:37:46 - Warhead strikes Pentagon, leaving several irregular holes, immediately followed by ALCM. This creates a fireball from the jet engine on the missile, as it was 'short-launched' and so did not use the majority of its 360km range fuel tank.
9:58 - "NYPD" helicopter reports possible collapse of just the top section of WTC 2, and recommends detonation
9:58:59 - WTC 2 detonated
10:03 - 59 - 2584 drops explosives and pre-burned plane parts from its 1024 cubic foot bomb bay over a field in Shanksville Pennsylvania.
10:25 - Explosives experts clear North Tower
10:28:25 - North Tower Detonated
10:30 - Firebombs detonated in WTC 7 to provide smoke and flames
10:46 - "Hijacked" Flights land at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
17:10 - Larry Silverstein decides the public have seen enough smoke, and orders demolition of WTC 7
17:20 - WTC 7 detonated
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Hmmm. 'F'
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| scubadiver wrote: | | Why would you want to post an answer to your own thread? |
Because there's so much evidence for the CT, I looked at it and made my own timeline. Please tell me where its wrong so I can change it.
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| DeFecToR wrote: | | Hmmm. 'F' |
Constructive criticism please. Seriously, I want to chart the timeline of the CT side of this.
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here are a couple
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911timeline2pg
Sure the commission gave us a timeline. One which was famously different from previous official timelines and unfortunately it was full of contradictions, errors and omissions. hence the need for a further investigation.
You want campaigners to unite and present you with one definitive account of what 'we' reckon happened, when the truth is we don't have a definitive account. There are too many unanswered questions and contradictions in the evidence. All we do all know is the official story is a fairy tale only loosely related to the truth |
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| scubadiver wrote: | | Why would you want to post an answer to your own thread? |
It is a demand that you would seek us to demonstrate. Sorry, I got the impression that you must have "turned" but, surely, I must be wrong! |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | I made my own:
Feel free to change the bits that may be wrong. I'm not entirely up to speed with all this.
8th August 1999:
Boeing loans two 767 aircraft to EADS (European Aeronautic and Space Company) for research into automatic guidance and landing systems
10th July 2001:
Boeing recalls 767 aircraft from EADS, flies them to Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
8th-9th September 2001:
Cabling upgrades occur in the WTC. This results in a power down over night for several hours. While security is down operatives move in to plant explosive charges in the tower.
10th September 2001:
Osama Bin Laden visit hospital on the advice of his CIA handler
Two separate trucks are moved to the underground garages of the WTC towers.
11th September 2001:
7:59 - AA11 Takes off
8:14 - UA175 Takes off
8:19 - AA11 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:20 - AA77 Takes off
8:30 - 59-2584, a Boeing B-52G Stratofortress takes off from Paine Field, Snohorrish county, Washington
8:35 - EADS 767s leave Fort Bragg en route for New York, under the remote control of operatives, most likely in Houston, Texas.
8:42 - UA93 takes off
8:46 - Truck bomb in WTC parking garage detonated
8:46:40 - EADS 767 hits North Tower
8:47 - UA 175 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:56 - AA77 Pilot turns off transponder
9:03:11 - EADS 767 hits South Tower
9:03:12 - Truck bomb detonates in OSuth Tower parking garage
9:15 - Workers enter North Tower disguised as firemen to check integrity of explosives
9:18 - Workers enter South Tower for same purpose.
9:30 - 59-2584 changes transponder code to that of AA77
WTC 7 Evacuated to allow explosives operatives in
9:34 - NEADS advised that AA77 is missing
9:35 - 59-2584 Launches Boeing AGM-86A Air Launched Cruise Missile away from the Pentagon
9:36 - 59-2584 Circles area caausing confusion over its radar return, and that of the ALCM.
ALCM circles to allow its GPS to obtain a location fix
9:37 - ALCM obtains fix and dives to ground skimming altitude. Its hardwired programming includes jinking to avoid antiaircraft fire. Ths causes it to damage several lightpoles
9:37:45 - ALCM launches "cluster" 3 part warhead
59 - 2584 heads towards Shanksville
9:37:46 - Warhead strikes Pentagon, leaving several irregular holes, immediately followed by ALCM. This creates a fireball from the jet engine on the missile, as it was 'short-launched' and so did not use the majority of its 360km range fuel tank.
9:58 - "NYPD" helicopter reports possible collapse of just the top section of WTC 2, and recommends detonation
9:58:59 - WTC 2 detonated
10:03 - 59 - 2584 drops explosives and pre-burned plane parts from its 1024 cubic foot bomb bay over a field in Shanksville Pennsylvania.
10:25 - Explosives experts clear North Tower
10:28:25 - North Tower Detonated
10:30 - Firebombs detonated in WTC 7 to provide smoke and flames
10:46 - "Hijacked" Flights land at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
17:10 - Larry Silverstein decides the public have seen enough smoke, and orders demolition of WTC 7
17:20 - WTC 7 detonated |
Johnny,
Nice job, but maybe too nice. I'm be3tting that this timeline will now be picked up and incorporated into the CT. It's that good. Now if you set it to a hip porno-quality soundtrack and purloined a lot of footage to cobble together, then you too could have been a CT star!
-z
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Johnny Pixels
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| Jay Ref wrote: |
Johnny,
Nice job, but maybe too nice. I'm be3tting that this timeline will now be picked up and incorporated into the CT. It's that good. Now if you set it to a hip porno-quality soundtrack and purloined a lot of footage to cobble together, then you too could have been a CT star!
-z |
I got a better one going now, I'll look into making into a LC rival, because mine has the real truth!
1998 - 2001
Numerous maintainance jobs throughout the World Trade Centre complex are used as cover to plant explosive charges.
8th August 1999:
Boeing loans three 767 aircraft to NASA for research into remote landing systems for the space shuttle
15th July 2000
767 crashes at White Sands while testing remote landing capability. Parts are returned to Boeing.
10th July 2001:
Boeing recalls 767 aircraft from NASA, flies them to Pope Air Force Base, North Carolina.
8th-9th September 2001:
Cabling upgrades occur in the WTC. This results in a power down over night for several hours. While security is down operatives move in to wire up explosive charges in the tower.
10th September 2001:
Osama Bin Laden visit hospital on the advice of his CIA handler
Two separate trucks are moved to the underground garages of the WTC towers.
11th September 2001:
7:15 - EADS 767s leave Pope AFB en route for New York, under the remote control of operatives, most likely at the Johnson Space Centre, Houston, Texas
7:59 - AA11 Takes off
8:14 - UA175 Takes off
8:19 - AA11 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:20 - AA77 Takes off
8:30 - Boeing B-2 Spirit takes off from Whiteman AFB Missouri
8:42 - UA93 takes off
8:46 - Truck bomb in WTC parking garage detonated
8:46:40 - EADS 767 hits North Tower
8:47 - UA 175 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:56 - AA77 Pilot turns off transponder
9:03:11 - EADS 767 hits South Tower
9:03:12 - Truck bomb detonates in South Tower parking garage
9:15 - Workers enter North Tower disguised as firemen to wire up explosives not connected during fake cable upgrade
9:18 - Workers enter South Tower for same purpose.
9:30 - National Guard C-130 takes off
WTC 7 Evacuated to allow explosives operatives in
9:34 - NEADS advised that AA77 is missing
9:35 - B-2 Spirit launches Boeing AGM-86 Air Launched Cruise Missile
9:36 - C-130 Circles Pentagon area causing confusion over its radar return, and that of the ALCM.
9:37 - ALCM dives to ground skimming altitude. Its hardwired programming includes jinking to avoid anti-aircraft fire. Ths causes it to damage several lightpoles
9:37:46 - ALCM Warhead strikes Pentagon, leaving several irregular holes. This also creates a fireball from the jet engine on the missile, as it was 'short-launched' and so did not use the majority of its 360km range fuel tank.
C-130 heads towards Shanksville
9:58 - "NYPD" helicopter reports possible collapse of just the top section of WTC 2, and recommends detonation
9:58:59 - WTC 2 detonated
10:00 - C-130 drops plane parts from NASA 767 wreckage over a field in Shanksville Pennsylvania. Ground workers plant explosives to create a crater.
10:03 - Explosives detonated in Shanksville. The resulting explosion and smoke cloud is captured by Val McClatchey in a photograph
10:25 - Explosives experts clear North Tower
10:28:25 - North Tower Detonated
10:30 - Firebombs detonated in WTC 7 to provide smoke and flames
10:46 - "Hijacked" Flights land at Pope AFB, North Carolina.
17:10 - Larry Silverstein decides the public have seen enough smoke, and orders demolition of WTC 7
17:20 - WTC 7 detonated
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | I got a better one going now, I'll look into making into a LC rival, because mine has the real truth! |
Make sure you get a copyright on that, Johnny. That's good stuff! You want to make sure you and you alone can profit off it. |
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