West Yorkshire Truth Campaign

[paul wright]

Meeting again 24th August
See this

[paul wright]

Confusing post - scrubbed

[flamesong]

Whassis?

Hacking?

Dual identities?

If I didn't know for a fact that you are two different entities, this would look a bit dodgy!

As it is, it looks a bit dodgy!

[paul wright]

Some witlessness on my part I presume. I had some sorrows to drown last night - cleaned up - cheers Flamesong

[Jane]

Don't know what that last bit was all about - but want to post this somewhere and not sure where - so putting it here in "West Yorkshire Corner" (or so I think!).

Been out tonight with two old friends from Otley Stop The War group (once we had 50 members!).

They seemed a bit hostile to 9/11 Truth stuff before but tonight they have kept coming out with interesting stuff themelves...one of them being (and sorry if this is common knowledge and has already been discussed at length somewhere on the board - this may not be the right place to post it!)

- That there has been a big rift between the American (Neo-Cons - one of them knew all about that, and "The Project For The New American Century"!) Government and The C.I.A since 9/11 - because a lot of "decent" (as compared to the Neo-Con Government!) C.I.A people knew that the government knew about 9/11 long before it happened and did nothing to stop it..? Guess this is "Let It Happen" stuff ...although one of them went on to talk about how the British Government had engineered much of the IRA stuff (I still find this very difficult to believe personally and tend to get a bit annoyed about this idea - which is quite good, because if all this is true, then there is that little bit of me that is still stuck in the old paradigm and understands how other people feel when you tell them these things now...).

The two of them are thinking of joining "Bradford Stop The War" because they haven't been doing anything at all for a couple of years - some of us could get our message across to more and more people if we are sensitive and genuine - and thus the message is spread to places that other messages can not reach ...sort of!!

[paul wright]

Yes Jane - the Irish'troubles' were engineered by the British intelligence agencies as surely as all the rest

[Jane]

I am sure this must already be being discussed on the board somewhere -so it is ok to move this if necessary - but what with all the mayhem now breaking out (where it would appear it will soon be an arrestable "crime" to be a Muslim male - particularly one with a beard....let alone one who dares to speak out against the atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and the horrors of Lebanon in fact I might soon be arrested for just writing that - or going on a demonstration!) - has anyone else heard that one of the brothers in the house in Forrest Gate was recently accused of possessing child pornography? I heard this on ”The News” not long ago - I don't know what the outcome was or where this story has "gone."

I am quite sure he did not possess any "child pornography" (such a Hell-like concept, brought to the world I am sure by the same "beings" (whatever they are!) that have given us weapons, war and all other kinds of horrors that should never have even been thought of, let alone made and used) - I am sure he didn't possess this unthinkable "literature" but I don't know how he could "prove" this - if it had been "found" by the police.

Yet somehow the brothers were able to "prove" that they did not possess "the weapons of mass destruction" ("chemical devise"?) or whatever it was the police expected to find in their house when they broke in, and also to "prove" that one of them had been shot by the police and not by his brother. Of course they have an excellent solicitor, Gareth Peirce (she and Clive Stafford-Smith must have their work cut out at the moment), so maybe she has helped here. But basically most people go by what they are told on "The News" as being true. When it seems like we are being told lies all the time, I am interested in why it is that sometimes they have to admit they have been telling lies - Why?

We presume these people are innocent so we don't need "proof" that they didn't do whatever - but most people I know assume that when a house is raided, etc, the accused are guilty - like I used to do with the IRA. I used to think when there was a re-trial and the accused were found innocent, that was a lie! Why, I wonder?! Are we just programmed to hate/suspect certain groups of people "who are not like us" for various reasons, and so are not at all surprised when some of them get arrested for murder, attempted murder or well, maybe possessing child pornography. We in our conditioned way of perceiving "reality" (or rather what we are told is "reality") just accept it all blindly - even feeling more and more dislike for certain groups of people because we "know" how "nasty" they are!

So if they can just use the media to deceive most people like this - why is it that sometimes they actually admit they are lying - like with circumstances around the Jean Charles de Menezes killing? It can't be because other people have produced "evidence" of their own to suggest that what they are telling us is not the truth - or they would have to admit the really Big Lie (9/11) by now....or is it that they think if they do come out and admit the truth now and then the public will perceive them as truthful, so they can go on telling more and more lies.

It is really odd watching what is going on now and really feeling I do KNOW that we are being lied to - about the whole War on Terror rubbish. I am sure there was no "plot" to blow up those planes the other day. Yet very few people would know what I mean were I to say this to them. Even those of us who know this is all rubbish will have to still put our belongings in the see-through carriers - not that I am going on a plane. In fact I said I was glad I'm not planning to fly anywhere to someone this morning and she assumed that I was "frightened of the terrorists" !! There are "terrorists" who can boss us around...and like Roger Waters wrote "make 'em laugh, make 'em cry, make 'em lay down and die" – I can’t say they “frighten” me though!

I am beginning to wonder if we "humans" have been in some way "domesticated" to suit someone agenda - I don't necessarily agree with anyone else's ideas about who or what is doing this - and I think we are also to blame by not questioning the "reality" presented to us...

But when you do start to "question"...............!!!!!

(Sorry for the ramble!!!)

[paul wright]

Huh yes - exactly Jane
By the way - if anyone is disappointed at how all the troll drivel has disappeared from the home page, there is plenty more to be kept up with here
https://www1.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/leedsbradford/2006/08/347336. html
This post will disappear off the main Indymedia page pretty soon so it wont see much more action on the Leeds/Bradford site
Remember that the most active Indymedia editors are by and large with us at least with regard to the 911 Truth if not to all the surrounding info
and more particularly regarding Alex Jones and Jeff Rense whom they regard as "right wing"
We need to tread softly with these guys to keep em as allies

[Jane]

[Jane]

By the way this is what I was on about (along with a couple of other things) in my penultimate posting: