DAVID ICKE... A conversation...

[flamesong]

Whilst I could never defend everything that David Icke says, I cannot - as a truth seeker - stand by and watch anybody being lied about, whether I agree with them or not. The truth may not be what you want it to be!

David Icke never claimed to be a messiah. I cannot be bothered to find and post links to the countless online videos of the Wogan interview (and latterly a new interview) which categorically proves this is a myth which was created by the media and has been swallowed whole by the countless mass who base their beliefs on tabloid headlines who are unskilled in the art of chewing.

I remember reading David Icke's early works as a spokesperson of the Green Party and that he warned of ecological disasters. Perhaps he was too specific in his predictions which I understood to amount to a warning about our complacency and that none of us could rely on our Western status as immunity from the elements.

[Graham]

[flamesong]

[ian neal]

There is another more general point about this.

Believe me when I say I don't necessarily believe or endorse everything that is posted on this forum (just as with any other discussion forum), but for the moderators to start deliberating on what is valid information and topics to be discuss is a slippery slope to

1) censorship and

2) an endless job of vetting every last post.

When we starting arguing that this campaigner is OK and this one isn't, there is a danger that we will repeat the squabbles and schisms that have plagued the US movement. Personally (whilst ceratinly not accepting everything he says) I have a lot of time for David Icke, but I also completely understand others that have no time for him or his more controversial ideas

When one of our critics points to some 'ridiculous comment' on these boards as evidence that we are ALL a bunch of loons, 'our' response should be something like this

"Everyone is posting here in an individual capacity, we do not endorse any one speaker or presentation of the evidence, these are public forums, where any one can register (including our critics or spooks posing as genuine supporters) and as long as it is within the site's general guidance any thing can be posted............ and so your point is?"

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=370
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=1685
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=99

[John White]

Personally I dont consider 911 Truth to be about any personalities, even one's named Stephen Jones, but about objective factual evidance

Just becuase anyone's name gets mentioned here should not be taken as any indication that discussing 911 Truth is only about discussing the theories of other individuals with a public profile...that way lies a dangerous road of simply accepting spoonfulls of opinion from alternative media to replace the spoonfulls of opinion from what the telly says

I will mention that Illusions forum is an environment where this is certainly not the case, and if anyone wants to discuss all things Ickian, or rail against the same, they will find no problems there, without distracting from the focus of what this site is about

(and some knowledgable forum members)

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

For those of you who believe that David Icke is a nutcase, I challenge you to go to the website http://www.checktheevidence.com/
and listen to the two audio interviews (in full). Then I ask you to post back on these pages and state whether or not you have changed your opinion.

[Justin]

Bongo, my dear friend,

I've known David Icke for over 16 years since my time in the Green Party. I've also read all of his books which, I detect, you probably haven't. Could I ask you, as a fellow truth seeker, to please read his books with an open mind. He has been on an incredible journey - indeed it could be argued that we too, who disagree with the official 9/11 story, are also going on a pretty remarkable journey - and he openly admits that during his very early 'turquoise period' he made predictions which clearly did not come to pass (I'm sorry they frightened you). However, his predictions about the gradual assembling of a global, fascist, 1984 style government have been spot on.....and continue to be so - with 9/11 being a major part of this overall plan.

Please, those people who jump to rapid conclusions about David, mainly because of what they have been told by the heavily controlled media, take time out to do your own research. As Pikey says, it was David who first alerted us about 9/11.

With best wishes

Justin

[John White]

[flamesong]

[Newspeak International]

I've heard some of his views and he does seem to be up to speed with what's going on, hell he was way ahead of most of us.

He should have a show of his own entitled "Thinking outside of the Box"

Now that would be worth seeing.


N

[paul wright]

Some of us knew via Icke- or Jones or whatever- what was coming down, and recognised 9/11 as it played out on the day in question when he put his Alice in Wonderland and 911 Day of Emergencies online immediately
David and Alex - they're both great sources of information - aren't they?
You pick out the bits you like and reject the bits you don't like

[John White]

[Newspeak International]

"And the stakes here are WWIII and a planet enslaved".


WW3/4 is happening right now though JW,be it the opening gambit!

[John White]

I had noticed!

OK then, fallback position:

above ALL else, keep knowledge alive for those who will follow us

Still, y'know, one likes to be open to a positive outcome!

[Justin]

Flamesong wrote:

[flamesong]

Fair do's.

I think that David has, without doubt, turned many people on to 9/11 and I find a great deal of what he says very interesting but I am finding his recent, somewhat pitiful pleas that he is working virtually alone quite irksome.

The areas where he is alone are the same areas where the rest of the 9/11 truth movement and the wider campaign against global tyranny feel that he brings ridicule upon us.

He knows this. He told me as much himself.

[John White]

Apologies in advance for this one gang because I might be opening a can of worms here but:

One Dave we know extolls a theory about reptillians, which is mythologically sound but evidencially bankrupt physically...

Another Dave we know extolls the virtues of Magic Mushrooms...

Is there a pragmatic neccesity for a bit of Self-inflicted-Credibility-Nobbling to get Truth out without having a nasty accident?

Even AJ has hysteronic fits...

Now if that is so, then we may have to get our heads round the fact that we arnt going to get "publically respectable" spokespersons who dont, well... Die (Cooper, Hicks, Thompson etc)

And realise that all these public profile figures are people doing what they can and the rest of it is down to us

Bummer huh? I just cant keep friends at the moment...

[Justin]

The best way to describe David Icke's work is that it is a meeting of advanced cutting edge quantum physics with the wisom of the indigenous peoples who have a 'memory' going back thousands of years untainted by the belief systems of 'imposed' religions. From a personal viewpoint I have managed to cross-reference the main themes of what David says by having some extraordinary meetings over the years with Elders from indigenous peoples as well as having a relative who introduced me to some key people within the NWO/Illuminati some years before David's controversial work had begun - I was even offered a job working for the Club of Rome.

Exposing the Truth about 9/11 is THE key - the unraveling that will take place once the ordinary people wake up to the simple fact that there is an unelected, unaccountable bloodline elite who have an agenda that is taking ALL OF US towards a global fascist World Government will be huge and all-embracing. The real challenges will come then - ie what political and economic structures will be put in place then? Thinking hats on everyone because all this will be happening sooner rather than later!

[DeFecToR]

[flamesong]

I think he actually said, 'I am a son of the god-head', later saying that we all are.

I agree with what you say, DeFecToR, about the lizard thing.

As for Freemasonry, if somebody refuses to answer the question I think it is not unreasonable to assume that they might have something to hide.

Why would David encourage pointless speculation?

[DeFecToR]

[Leiff]

I find the News Headlines section on David Icke's site to be a great resource to find obscure stories.

On the reptile thing, my interpretation is that perhaps some of the elite bloodlines have an over sized brain stem and an underdeveloped cerebral cortex which leaves them with heightened 'base' instincts and crippled higher reasoning and empathy.

Just a thought...

[Pikey]

I classify myself as a truthseeker. To evolve positively and keep in synchronicity with mother earth I believe that any action or decision making needs to be made on truth. Not disinformation, misinformation, etc.

I have devoted alot of my time reading David Ickes books and based on my life experience I believe that he is leading us to the truth.

Anyone who comes blogging on here, personally attacking anyone is IMHO
doing themselves great disservice as well as this fabulous website or they have a hidden agenda.

Divide and conquer are standard establishment tactics and playing the man rather than the ball is one of them!

What prompted me to read Ickes books, come out of my comfort zone and take the red pill was what I saw going on at the place I was earning my living at the time, local government. What I discovered was a jobs for the boys awarding of building contracts and a total disregard for public accountability. Ickes books showed me the light and I have not looked back since although it has not been easy.

I am pleased that you are beginning to see Davids work in a different light Bongo Brian however I do think that this thread should be deleted off the forum due to its aggresive title.

I do find some of Ickes writings unbelieveable, particularly the repitilian info, and that he has made public statements which he now regrets as they have been used by the ptb to great effect to create a barrier of communicate for him.

But remember when most people believed the world was flat? They believed that because that is what the authorities/the ptb told them yet those in the shadows of authority knew this was not true and the world was round. "Knowledge is power!" If you cannot comprehend the importance of that statement read the book "The golden thread of time" by Crichton E Miller.

I havent witnessed a reptilian transformation, nor seen a UFO, or seen a crop circle created by a UFO (I do believe though that there are hoax circles created by man) but that does not mean I dont think they do not exist. Remember that all that Icke is reporting/writing about in his books are the results of his research. Check out the evidence and read the massive sources of reference. To call this guy a looney is ridiculous, absolute madness and usually the explanation for making those responses are ignorance and the effect of effective mind control by the ptb through their media (press and TV).

Regarding the repitilian theory remember the Panorama interview with Princess Diana (has anyone got this archived I would like a copy) when she advised that she referred to the leading royals as"the lizards" and that one day she would reveal all and shock the world? Sadly she did not get the opportunity to fulfill that promise!

Lets keep on focus Icke stated that 911 is the KEY to that great awakening to truth, I believe statement that is why I joined my local 911 truth group over a yaer ago and why I remain loyal to the cause.

Justice, peace & TRUTH

[John White]

*ahem* Reptillian Agenda section at Illusions

I'd just like to say a big personal thankyou to Bongo Brian. Its very rare on interent forums for someone to have the humility to say "well theres more to this than I thought"...and I'd add damn straight, accept nothing from no-one without question

You show your quality sir: the highest

(doffs hat)

[Pikey]

Yep Bongo Brian.

"The truth conquers all" as is stated on one of the pillars in Rosslyn Chapel in Edinburgh, the establishment of Freemasonry in the UK, where the Knights Templar settled with their knowledge taken from Solomons Temple.

[flamesong]

[xmasdale]

My concern is with the problem that there seems to be something in us all which seeks sources of infallible truth. This, I believe, is a universal human failing.

Why do people attribute infallibility to those who claim their ideas are acquired through channelling?

Why do people attribute infallibility to the Bible or the Koran, or the Church or the Pope or the Torah or the works of Karl Marx or Wilhelm Reich or Alice Bailey or Sai Baba or David Icke or Benjamin Creme or Krishnamurti etc?

I have researched a good number of such prophets or gurus and discovered that most of them (the good ones in my opinion) caution people not to take everything that they teach on trust but to search for the truth for themselves.

I have had a good deal to do with Benjamin Creme since I first came across him in 1981. Though he tours the world with his teaching he lives in London and for a time I used to attend "transmission meditation" at his house.

He teaches that we live in a time of crisis when we are being given help by spiritual energies of love and peace pouring into the world, but we have to respond to these energies by changing the world around us and implementing the principle of sharing and conserving the world's resources. He also maintains that the "heirarchy of ascended masters" headed by the "world teacher" are currently coming into incarnation to give us the help that we need. He teaches a very optimistic message, though he does also admit that the forces of darkness are trying to foil the attempts of all people of goodwill to usher in the New Age of love, peace and sharing. He also never asks anyone to believe what he says on trust, but encourages people to think for themselves and to use their intuition to make up their own minds on how far they find his message true and to accept it on whatever level they find it useful in their lives.

Unfortunately there are those who treat him as some kind of infallible guru, not something which he welcomes.

Like David Icke, he has made certain predictions which turned out not to be true. For example he predicted that the first Gulf War would not happen or be merely a skirmish. There are many things that he says which I just can't accept. Nevertheless, I find his politics inspiring: in favour of non-violence, sharing, co-operation and against the neocon cabal, their money-grabbing and war-mongering. You can find his interlinked websites here: http://www.shareintl.org/

Is he right about the reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom [his sexist languge, not mine]? I just don't know.

The issue has also been raised on this thread that discussion of David Icke's ideas (and perhaps discussion of all things spiritual) on this website are damaging to our reputation. To an extent I agree with that. It must be made clear that the 9/11 Truth Movement does not endorse David Icke and that those who think he, or any other spiritual teacher, are nuts are welcome here if they are trying to discover the truth about 9/11.

I am acutely aware that we have atheists and agnostics among our supporters and sometimes they express to me a certain frustration with the spiritual references which many posters on here make. As a former atheist myself, I have much sympathy with them. If you have never had an experience which convinces you of the existence of God, it is profoundly dishonest to say you believe in Her/Him.

I remember a line from a minute of a recent Quaker Yearly Meeting: "God has no hands but our own."

If that is true, there is no reason why all these wonderful people who make up the 9/11 Truth Movement, whatever their opinion on spiritual or religious matters, should not join together to uncover the truth.

Noel

"Take heed, dear Friends, to the promptings of love and truth in your hearts." - Quaker Advices and Queries

[Ben]

Has the link to this post been removed?

That the discussion of anything 'spiritual' might somehow dent the reputation of the 9/11 Truth Movement is a laughable idea, considering our UK president is a crop circle enthusiast and lectures (excellently) on the paradigm shift, 2012, and a host of other related concepts. If 'spirituality' is inimical to public acceptability, I'd still take spirituality. Icke has never presented himself as a guru, and is not taken as one by any of the (many) supporters of his who I know.

Truth against the World. They will never like it, will never get it, and will never like us: and, personally, I don't care.

Now, who wants to research the 9/11 'ley line' theory??



Ben

[Justin]

Xmasdale wrote:

[Ally]