Just wondering but ..

[DaveyJ]

why?, seriously think about it, i was always taught when trying to find a guilty party (especially in poltics) Follow the Money.

Okay, so lets assume the US goverment did blow up the two towers, this operation would of cost comfortably into the millions. Not only all the equipment, but it would of needed hundreds if not thousands of confederates, willing to commit crimes agianst humanity . Most people dont enjoy murdering thousands of people but lets say you find a team of people willing to place bombs and murder innocent civillians, these sound like the sort of people who would want alot of money to stay quiet. So just the blowing up the towers would cost millions.

bUT THE 0IL!>!>!!?!?!?!??!

well, if america really wanted to go to war to get some oil, they could of found a much cheaper way of doing it. a war which had cost i think america alone $307 billion dollars a good running count can be found here

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

so the bush goverment has lost billions of dollars, provoked terrorists around the world and has caused huge divisons within the american public.

so well, what have they got to gain. While there are some coincidences, why, whats the point?
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[Mr-Bridger]

Many more companies and people profited from 9/11 than just the goverment.

i suggest you listen to the audio released by Andrew Richard Grove

http://www.zen84937.zen.co.uk/Meria.mp3

[blackcat]

2.3 thousand billion dollars is not a bad start. Mustn't mention it though... shhhhh. The man in charge of the accounts had a joint nationality and was also......shhhhhhh. Then there is the smashing of the Iraqi army which was a threat to......shhhhh. Its worth thousands of American lives to defend shhhhhhhh.......

[Mr-Bridger]

Is that the same $2.3 Trillion dollars Donald Rumsfeld announced was missing on sept 10th 2001 shhhhh

http://benfrank.net/patriots/news/national/pentagon_missing_trillions

[marky 54]

its one thing having oil, its a totally differant thing when you control it much more profit can be made. also why is it so hard to see that certain people did make big profits(owner of wtc buildings) bought for millions got compensation of a few billion (if anyone know the figure exactly please correct). and some will make big profits as well as secure america's oil supply needs. but i carnt think who actually would make a profit from oil mmmmm. is it true that quite a few of the bush administration have ties to oil companies?

[Mooter]

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4373

The cost of removing asbestos and the building generally being perceived as obsolete may have been a factor in the choice of the WTC as a "terrorist" target.

[stateofgrace]

This is the cost of 911

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,776451,00.h tml

Sure, any democratic Government would sacrifice this for, well what exactly?

[blackcat]

If it doesn't cost you anything it isn't a sacrifice.

[DeFecToR]

I'm going to play debils advocate here and pretend that 911 was carried out by BL.
I would still then have to admit that the Bush administration, members of the military-industrial complex aswell as many contractors business men have profited enormously as a direct result of 911, while the Bush administration went from being largely defunct to wielding the more political power than any other adimistration in recent times.
I would even go as far as to say that they are glad 911 happened. After all, they have demonstrated time and time again that they will put their policies and goals well before the well-being of their countrymen.
Would Bush have got a second term without 911?
Would they be in Iraq?

[DaveyJ]

[marky 54]

they have'nt achieved anything yet, at least anything we know about. however they are achieving pipelines for america's oil needs and the ability to control it. and the building of america bases in these middle eastern countries, findings reveal there were goverment plans for world domination and the rebuiling of the star wars programme, but states the middle east is the key to achieving this. this was in effect before 9/11, you will need to research this as i dont remember which site it suggests this on, and remember before you comment i didnt say this. but could explain whats to gain. the american empire is a big prize in my opinion, you'd control everything.

[blackcat]

[Mr-Bridger]

I recommend watching Rob Newmans History Of Oil, it is available on conspiracy centrals torrent tracker and various others.

He presents his Euro/Dollar theory of the invasion of Iraq, the US federal banks `Magic Cheque Book`. I think this is a superb reason for the invasion of Iraq as this could lead to the complete collapse of the US dollar again.

If you have trouble finding it drop me a mail and i`ll pop copy in the post

[DaveyJ]

Ive got to do some more research into the statistics behind this money beacuse i dont know the exact details so its only going to be speculation, and we all know you cant base an agument on that.

to say the media is in on this conspricay is the most daft thing ive ever heard. The media, as in the whole thing, hundreds of thousands of journists, from huge CEOs to struggling writers. People not intrested in the money, but making that one big story. are you seriously thinking that there is enough money to bribe every single correspondant to cover up the biggest scandal in history and politics as we know it. you'd have to steal a hell of a lot more than trillions. 'll listen and debate any arugment you put forward, but suggesting the media is a confederate is not stupid, its bizzare.

Come on, the iraqi army wasnt a threat to anything, its about as much of a joke as the swiss navy. You seriously think they had the power to invade anyone. Well if they did, america would have a much better reason for going to war than WMD's, so they would have let them, if they wanted a reason.
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[blackcat]

[DaveyJ]

i dont think there was one single reason for going to war with Iraq. Personally i belive it was to win some hearts and minds within the muslim population. I dont think the Oil was the primary reason but im sure it concidered a side in the argument. Think about it, you have a cruel and generally hated dictator within a middle easten country. America can come in, remove him, impose democary and improve the standing of living within a muslim country. The surrounding people and people with in Iraq see america trying to help them and think maybe they arnt the enemy. Obviously it wont deter extremists. But it helps sway people towards them, which, we all know they need right now. unfortunatly it really turned around and kick them in the ass. But i genuinally belive they went in with good intentions, and it really could of worked.

Perhaps no one presented an alternative hypothesis to 9/11 because it wasnt needed. I dont need to have an alternative to "gravity pulls stuff down" beacuse im quite happy with what ive got.

I dont belive the media is covering up for the goverment, its rediculious. If one reporter could get hold of the story, it would be THE GREATEST NEW STORY OF KNOWN HISTORY, i cant belive anyone would sit on that. why wouldnt they tell it?




but all that aside



i wanted to learn, and im happy to be corrected. So could you please give me some links to evidence that 2 trillion USA dollars was Stolen. Beacuse erm, thats %20 of the USAs GNP, thats a fifth of the entire economy of america. thats %4 of the ENTIRE WORLDS GNP. hell ill admit thats motif for a crime, so wheres the proof.
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[Mr-Bridger]

I did post a link earlier in this thread about the missing $2.3 trillion dollars which was announced by Donald Rumsfeld himself on the 10/9/2001

here it is again :

http://benfrank.net/patriots/news/national/pentagon_missing_trillions

The problem is they don`t know or dont`t want to admit where it went !!


here is also a link to History of Oil which i recommend viewing

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7374585792978336967& q=robert+newman

[blackcat]

[DaveyJ]

right, when i heard that OMG 2.3 TRILLION STOLEN !!!!1 i was pretty suspect myself, that %20 of the whole of americas GNP, thats definatly a motif for rigging the most elaborate black op ever. Hell, its almost beliveable.

but 2.3 trillion, wasnt announced stolen on the 12th of september when they went through transaction records. It wasnt 2.3 stolen in stocks and shares.

it was 2.3 trillion of the pentagon spending budget.

but it wasnt 2.3 trillion of the pentagon spending budget, sitting in an account, which was moved as the towers collapsed to cover up. Nope.

its 2.3 trillion, thats unaccoutable for since military budgets began. its about 24 billions a year now. which is roughly 25% of the USA defense budget.

The U.S army has 500,000 troops, 700,000 reservists thats just the army. there is still the Air force, navy and countless other branches and sub branches of the US Defence. Bascially all their saying is that they cant track all the money that is being spent, well its the largest and most expensive army in the world. Money is going to be lost count of.

Some will be spent on "black ops" and under the radar activitys
Some will be stolen but not it huge global conspiracys, just small people linning their greedy little pockets
Some will be lost track of, little things that dont even make it into the inventorys. This is an army so complicated, id be impressed if one person even had the potentinal to work out exactly what every dollar was being spent on

So this 2.3 in unaccounted spending by the USA defence department, was announced on september 10th. Why pull off 9/11, what does that achieve. Does that some how cover up the records of stolen transactions. Nope because records of every large movemnt of money is stored in banks round the world. The Defense Deparment will have countless offices around the country and also everything is recorded at the pentagon.

So thats your reasoning behind all this. 24 billion in overspending, poor book keeping and undisclosed operations over decades. Suddenly, not so convincing.
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[blackcat]

[DaveyJ]

firstly i have come to learn the truth, thats why im here. Ive always been a bit of cynic about the 9/11 consparicy, so my friend directed me here (he belives it) so i could get the most accurate information, rather than sifting google myself. If anyone knows anything, ill find it here.


erm

2.3 trillion stolen over 4 years, the USA defence budget is $456 billion dollars. Which is 2.7 trillion. If that were true, the defence budget wouldnt be able to afford to put shoelaces on everyones boots, let along pay the wages. and you said i was peddling nonsense

oh and i thought it was assumed that it was a missle attack meant to look like a plane on the pentagon? i dont know if there is a scism and there are two groups of theorys.

so i still dont see how destroying the two towers helps cover up. They announced this publicly before the attack happened. the world trade centre, is for stocks and shares not military budgets. So there would be other more accurate souces.
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[DaveyJ]

sorry just thought id bump this, as im waiting on a reply on how people managed to steal the entire US defence budget without anyone noticing.
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[blackcat]

They did notice. Rumsfeld announced it on sep 10th 2001. Do some research if you really care. Any search for "$2.3 trillion missing" brings up plenty of sites. You say you want to know but haven't even begun to investigate - just bump up a thread where you expect to be fed information others find for you.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/050310pentagontrillionslost

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/mar/article248.html

[DaveyJ]

not responding is fantastic way of having a debate. Another handy tip, try blocking your ears and singing loudly.

Right your "truth seeker" web page made me laugh, actually, outloud.

It states, A RABBI STOLE 2.3 TRILLION. Dosnt say who, dosnt say where, dosnt say how, dosnt say when, dosnt give you ANY INFORMATION WHATSO EVER. but it does say its a Rabbi. Fanatastic, now we know. Damn Jews, always after the money, i bet you think that the hollocaust didnt happen either. Thats not just a random jibe by the way, at the bottom of the website is a quote from hitler, one of europes greatest leaders *cough*

I have looked into it myself. I couldnt find any evidence, so i would like to see what you were basing your theorys on. If this evidence is the bases for it, well... its a little scary

All i want to know is how you think someone stole 2.3 trillion in 4 years. Thats all i want an answer to, its impossible, if that were true, the goverment couldnt afford to go to Iraq, they coudlnt afford to even pay the wage slip, they couldnt afford rations for the troops etc. Im not disbuting the 2.3 trillion figure. im disupting the fact it was stolen in 4 years. Beacuse none of your sites gave any indication of what period that money was stolen. but as you said you wont reply, ill still keep my fingers crossed. Beacuse either you can prove it, you post. You cant, you wont post. Its a reality or its a conspiracy.

the trap has been baited
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[blackcat]

To anyone coming here to read threads to get some ideas about the reality of 9/11 please ignore the shill spouting above. Not only does the site give the name of the man in charge of Pentagon spending in several places, it also has a photograph. There are numerous links to this scandal including a CBS report quoting Rumsfeld himself admitting it, and other sites giving details of the period when the money went "missing". All you have to have is a genuine interest in this scandal.

To Davyj - You can "bait your trap" as much as you want. It is impossible to convince someone who wishes to remain ignorant and even more impossible to debate with someone who clearly knows the truth but seeks to muddy the waters as you do. Go * yourself shill.

[DaveyJ]

well either i missed somthing or is this the whole site, most alternative theorys have at least some evidences, this site has no links, infact it has no other pages.

Shill spouting and nonsense peddleing, the irony is painful. this site dosnt have a quote of Rumsfeld himself admitting it. All, like every other consipracy site is Rumsfeld saying that 2.3 is unaccoutable for in spending. Its the same, two statements and a page full of guff and impossible and implausable theorys. Infact this site dosnt really even have that. Just the title A RABBI STOLE IT!. fantastic.

and you still havnt explained how someone stole the entire US defence budget and they managed to operate without any money.

anyway, for anyone who thinks im exaggerating this, check out the site in all its glory. (following passage is a direct copy past quote)


RABBI STEALS $2.3 TRILLION!
zakheimmastermind911.blogspot ? April 10, 2006


"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." -- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11

On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld held a press conference to announce that $2.3 TRILLION was missing from Pentagon coffers and could not be located. Amid the following months of dust and rubble at the World Trade Center, the question of this missing money was never heard again.
Dov Zakheim, former Comptroller in the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense, and also one of the architects of a document called "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" published by The American Enterprise's "Project for a New American Century", called for "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor" being necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East that would politically and culturally reshape the region.

Is this all just a coincidence? Or a well thought out, diabolical plot, by traitors within the highest levels of the US government? Any person with the ability to think, should at least consider the possibility.

While Americans were caught up in the confusion, and emotional turmoil stirred up by the zionist controlled media in the aftermath of September 11th 2001 attacks, attention was immediately focused on a wild conspiracy theory, that 19 Arab hijackers, armed with nothing more than box cutter knives, pulled off the biggest crime of the 20th century, and out smarted America's multi-billion dollar national defense system!

The fact that most Americans believe this foolishness, is proof of the power, that the zionist controlled media and Hollywood, have over their minds, and the results of over half a century of demonizing the Arab people.


"The great masses of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. Especially if it is repeated over and over."
-- Adolph Hitler


THATS IT!
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