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catfish
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 Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: Planes or pods or holograms I stand by you all |
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| AbandonedEgo wrote: | At the end of the day, there is one thing upon which we are all agreed, which should form an unbreakable bond between us.
Namely that the official 19 Arabs theory is THE big lie. |
Anyone with the courage to stand up and speak contrary to official lies and risk their reputation with peers and family to voice the truth has me standing beside them (and my beard).
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Bicnarok
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The problem is there´s two sides pushing in on us.
On one side, the muslimination of the world through "move to a country produce loads of kids become the majority, build loads of mosques etc.." and on the other side opressive police state world domination disguised as anti terrorist democracy.
I don´t want either.
Imo the Muslim religion is backward, filled with traditions instead of Gods will and has no foundation whatsoever. Any religion which worships toward a building which has been moved 3 times but still claims to be Abrahams first house, wants everyone to join them or be branded infidels is just as bad as any pagan barbaric owl worshiping religion to me.
The Police state, new world order or whatever you want to call it a nightmare in the making, one wrong step or comment and you´ll disappear. A life in fear unless your influencial. And in a worst state scenario there´ll be lizards sucking our blood to boot.
the question here is Anarchy a better alternative.? |
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ian neal
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| Bicnarok wrote: | | Imo the Muslim religion is backward, |
You're falling for their trap of polarised and simplistic worldviews
How can you write off a whole religion and with it millions and millions of followers with one word. Life is a little more complicated than that |
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paul wright
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the question here is Anarchy a better alternative.? |
The rest of your response is nonsense as denying people their personal belief systems
You cant rip that away just like that
In answer to your simple question - yes of course - we want decentralised and autonomous communities working in harmony
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catfish
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I just want everyone to be friends. (sobs! (albeit a little sarcastically!))
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Planes or pods or holograms I stand by you all |
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| catfish wrote: | | AbandonedEgo wrote: | At the end of the day, there is one thing upon which we are all agreed, which should form an unbreakable bond between us.
Namely that the official 19 Arabs theory is THE big lie. |
Anyone with the courage to stand up and speak contrary to official lies and risk their reputation with peers and family to voice the truth has me standing beside them (and my beard). |
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catfish
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: Re: Planes or pods or holograms I stand by you all |
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| scar wrote: | | catfish wrote: | | AbandonedEgo wrote: | At the end of the day, there is one thing upon which we are all agreed, which should form an unbreakable bond between us.
Namely that the official 19 Arabs theory is THE big lie. |
Anyone with the courage to stand up and speak contrary to official lies and risk their reputation with peers and family to voice the truth has me standing beside them (and my beard). |
Im with ya. |
'course you are scar, you're the only one still bloody up at five to bleeding three! 
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wepmob2000
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| Bicnarok wrote: | The problem is there´s two sides pushing in on us.
On one side, the muslimination of the world through "move to a country produce loads of kids become the majority, build loads of mosques etc.." and on the other side opressive police state world domination disguised as anti terrorist democracy.
I don´t want either.
Imo the Muslim religion is backward, filled with traditions instead of Gods will and has no foundation whatsoever. Any religion which worships toward a building which has been moved 3 times but still claims to be Abrahams first house, wants everyone to join them or be branded infidels is just as bad as any pagan barbaric owl worshiping religion to me.
The Police state, new world order or whatever you want to call it a nightmare in the making, one wrong step or comment and you´ll disappear. A life in fear unless your influencial. And in a worst state scenario there´ll be lizards sucking our blood to boot.
the question here is Anarchy a better alternative.? |
Hi Bicnarok
I know exactly what you're driving at, like most religions, Islam does have some archaic concepts. However like us, many Muslims are presided over by a leadership that doesn't come close to echoing their sentiments. Devout Muslims that I know personally have an absolute respect for the beliefs of others. It is a fact that in the Middle Ages Muslim countries were havens of tolerance in an otherwise untolerant world. Perhaps religion is now being used as a tool of control, in much the same way as it was by Rome?)
Its a circular and ultimately unanswerable argument IMO, in many respects the world would be better under a form of anarchy, but the Afghans welcomed the Sharia law imposed by the Taleban when they first assumed power, as a respite from the previous anarchy (although this doesn't mean for one second I like or support our present government, nor endorse the ideas of Islamic Fundamentalism).
Wepmob out
P.S. Your line about owl worship was great, totally surreal concept (don't know if it really happened or not) |
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catfish
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Referring to the current atrocities being perpetrated by Israel:
| wepmob2000 wrote: | | Its extremism that caused this mess, particularly the mantra that if you are non-muslim, you are a non-believer, and therefore in some way the enemy, only fit for killing. |
wetmop are you going to stand beside me and call for the truth?
| wepmob2000 wrote: | | No, I do not support the campaign at all |
Well I'm glad we cleared that up.
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Bicnarok
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| wepmob2000 wrote: | | Bicnarok wrote: | The problem is there´s two sides pushing in on us.
On one side, the muslimination of the world through "move to a country produce loads of kids become the majority, build loads of mosques etc.." and on the other side opressive police state world domination disguised as anti terrorist democracy.
I don´t want either.
Imo the Muslim religion is backward, filled with traditions instead of Gods will and has no foundation whatsoever. Any religion which worships toward a building which has been moved 3 times but still claims to be Abrahams first house, wants everyone to join them or be branded infidels is just as bad as any pagan barbaric owl worshiping religion to me.
The Police state, new world order or whatever you want to call it a nightmare in the making, one wrong step or comment and you´ll disappear. A life in fear unless your influencial. And in a worst state scenario there´ll be lizards sucking our blood to boot.
the question here is Anarchy a better alternative.? |
Hi Bicnarok
I know exactly what you're driving at, like most religions, Islam does have some archaic concepts. However like us, many Muslims are presided over by a leadership that doesn't come close to echoing their sentiments. Devout Muslims that I know personally have an absolute respect for the beliefs of others. It is a fact that in the Middle Ages Muslim countries were havens of tolerance in an otherwise untolerant world. Perhaps religion is now being used as a tool of control, in much the same way as it was by Rome?)
Its a circular and ultimately unanswerable argument IMO, in many respects the world would be better under a form of anarchy, but the Afghans welcomed the Sharia law imposed by the Taleban when they first assumed power, as a respite from the previous anarchy (although this doesn't mean for one second I like or support our present government, nor endorse the ideas of Islamic Fundamentalism).
Wepmob out
P.S. Your line about owl worship was great, totally surreal concept (don't know if it really happened or not) |
I have also a respect for the beliefs of others Im not blaming or attempting to condemn Muslim believers, the religion is just being used as a vessel to push and drive people to hate others. Like all religions there are massive holes in the logic of it all, these can be used to fit other ideas into the picture. |
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