Saddam and al-Qaeda

[gypsum]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5328592.stm

Telling us what we already know eh...

So he wasn't in with the big bad terrorists, he never had nuclear or chemical weapons and there was no evidence of him being in the process of obtaining them.
Can someone remind me why there's a war in Iraq?

[sonic]

Oil, Military Industrial Complex (needs to use and sell it's products) greed, money, Imperialism etc.

Establishment of permanent military bases for futher continuation of the above.

Hope this helps,

Sonic.

[optimus79]

Those 8 years of Sanctions really came in handy, who'd have thought?

[Bushwacker]

[marky 54]

doh i should really check the forum before starting a new thread sorry guys.

[Bicnarok]

[Bushwacker]

[marky 54]

if everyone thought there was no evidence for the war in iraq before they went, then no wmd's were found and now the senate say there were no links between al-qeada and saddam, all stuff we already knew to be a fact regardless of their motives for war it dosnt take away the fact that the war was unjust and illegal. and that millions of u.s citizens and uk citizens were lied to in order to get their support. if this revolation(lieing for personnal gain) had happened anywhere else ie:a business or other organisations then that person would of lost his job/had legall action taken depending on the seriousness of the crime. why are goverments exempt from the same laws that apply to the rest of us?

[marky 54]

something also worth pointing out all the claims for war in iraq were false information, now bush said himself conspiracy theorists recruit terrorists, i think his conspiracy theory about weapons in iraq and the links with al-qaeda recruited more terrorists than anything has in the world, his false information gave terrorists a cause to fight as they knew bush was lieing.

[Bushwacker]

The war in Iraq was illegal regardless of whether or not WMDs were still there, and there was absolutely no UK national interest involved either. The invasion has produced any number of terrorists throughout the world, including UK born Moslems who appeared completely assimilated into UK culture, because it appeared to be simply an attack against Moslems and could certainly be presented that way by any fundamentalist/radical preacher. Iraq was destabilised and we will be lucky if civil war is avoided. Many British lives have been and are continuing to be lost, and a lot has been spent on a venture that has only worked against our interests, and very much so. It is very unclear when we shall ever to able to withdraw from the country. We have received no benefits from the Americans from supporting them in this folly. Blair made a badly flawed decision, and we are all suffering from it.

However, it is probably not the case that anyone in the West was aware that there was absolutely no trace of WMDs in Iraq, most intelligence services seemed to think that Saddam had hidden them well, but they were there. David Kelly, for one, thought they still existed, and was eager to get back there to look for them. My own opinion at the time was that the remnants of his programmes were probably still there, but what remained did not pose any threat to us, particularly in the absence of effective delivery systems, and there was therefore no reason for us to get involved. I was wrong, in that the cupboard was completely bare, but correct in the conclusion that we should keep out of Iraq.

Now Bush is claiming that regime change was a prime motivation and the people of Iraq have benefitted. This is lying self-serving nonsense, both the Iraqis and ourselves would be better off if we had not gone near the place.

[marky 54]

agree with all the above, but want to point out what they told us about the delivering capability, can anyone remember blair appear on debate chat shows leading up to war saying he knew saddam had wmd's? he also stressed that he could deliever them in 45 minutes to america let alone the uk.

[Bushwacker]

[blackcat]

[quote=Bushwacker]However, it is probably not the case that anyone in the West was aware that there was absolutely no trace of WMDs in Iraq, most intelligence services seemed to think that Saddam had hidden them well, but they were there. David Kelly, for one, thought they still existed, and was eager to get back there to look for them.[/quote]

I completely disagree with that statement. I believe the intelligence services deliberately lied to "sex-up" the case for the existence of wmds and invented stories such as the yellow cake from Africa which quickly proved to be a lie. David Kelly did not believe Iraq had wmds and that is why he was suicided. We are being lied to and deceived by our paid servants in both the USA and the UK.