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blackcat
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,,1868479,00.html
| Quote: | Full house as leading 9/11 conspiracy theorist has his say
Audrey Gillan, Saturday September 9, 2006, The Guardian
They call it the 9/11 for Truth Movement, and tonight those who believe the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon were carried out by the American government and not jihadist hijackers will gather in London's Conway Hall to listen to one of the biggest figures among a growing number of disbelievers.
Two days before the fifth anniversary of the attacks, David Ray Griffin, emeritus professor of philosophy of religion and theology at Claremont graduate university, and author of The New Pearl Harbor and The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, will ask his audience: "Was 9/11 an inside job?"
He will be joined on stage by the ex-MI5 officer David Shayler, who will introduce the talk, for which tickets have almost sold out. Prof Griffin is a founder member of the 9/11 Scholars for Truth movement in the US. He is joined by 75 academics who write in books, journals and essays that they have overwhelming evidence that shatters the official version of events on that September morning.
And it seems that a growing number of people are listening to them. A recent poll in the US found that 36% of Americans believed it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that their government was involved in allowing the attacks or had carried them out itself. There are many people in the UK who agree with them.
The theories as to what happened on that day, when almost 3,000 people were killed, differ but their unifying theme is that a neo-conservative cabal within the US government staged the events as a pretext to wage wars, become a dominant force in the world and establish "the new American century". The attacks, it is said, were not carried out by al-Qaida terrorists but were a "false flag" event used to justify invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Films have been made on the subject, websites show countless images that "back up" the claims, chatrooms are screaming with conspiracists and there is a plethora of published material. Much of this argues that the collapse of the Twin Towers was caused by a controlled demolition and not by the aeroplanes which slammed into their sides.
Ian Neal helped form the British 9/11 for Truth Movement, which he says is a "loose network of campaigners who have grown up over the past two years". The official 9/11 commission investigation into the attacks firmly dismissed the conspiracy theories, but those who expound them say this is precisely why there needs to be an independent inquiry. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Blimey......a bit of straightforward reporting on a 9/11 issue.
What next? |
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Mark Gobell
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Amazing. Not one insult or slur. Just the facts.
Well done The Guardian.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Wow! I kept reading waiting for the denegration, but it never came.
Well done the Guardian.
Straight reporting of an important event.
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Andrew Johnson
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: |
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There are limits to the denigration they can get away with. Again, the article is light on facts and evidence and there is judicious use of quotation marks as in "back up" - subtle journospeak for "it doesn't really mean 'back up'"
The Guardian does employ "investigative" journalists doesn't it?
Also, the headline is terrible - "CT" taking precedence over "Professor of Theology" - pretty disgraceful labelling if you ask me.
But at least people will have a chance to see through these cheap jibes.
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ian neal
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:44 am Post subject: |
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There are 2 threads on this article
Other thread
I suggest further comment is posted here on this thread |
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xmasdale
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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What a conversion!
The Grauniad is the paper I least expected it from. Presumably after the Lebanon war died down they took the road to Damascus.
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blackcat
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | here are 2 threads on this article |
Sorry Ian - I did not see your thread when I posted this. I look at "new messages" when I log in but it did not come up. Anyway they can be merged I am sure. Well done for you work on the Griffin meeting and congratulations on getting credited in the article for your work with the British 9/11 truth movement. |
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ian neal
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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No problem
I spoke with Audrey and exchanged a few emails in preparation for the article.
On balance I'm very pleased with it and hope and feel that Ms Gillan is a journalist we can work with again in future.
Let's face it the story's not going anywhere |
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Andrew Johnson
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Can we persuade these people to use more neutral terminology - especially in headlines/titles.
It's an important aspect of honest journalism with fair representation.
I am rather uncompromising in this area. e.g the Law of Gravity is called the Law of Gravity - not the theory of Gravity (yes, there is a theory about how the force of gravity is manifested, but that doesn't affect its action).
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ian neal
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Absolutely agree, although through out the build up to this article (which came from initial work and contact by Keith M, thanks Keith) Ms Gillan has been genuine and her article demonstrated this.
I'm sure if she were to do a follow up article, that this issue could be raised with her although of course she/The Guardain write the final copy, all we can do is make suggestions and provide quotes. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| Does anyone know if any journalists attended the meeting? |
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| (ahem)It's the Grauni', maybe it's a typo? |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Skeptic wrote: | | Does anyone know if any journalists attended the meeting? |
I overheard one freelance journalist that was there. |
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