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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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 Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: PEAK OIL IS A SCAM |
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Oil has unlimited supplies - it is formed by the heat of the earth's core boiling the oil out of rocks
There are lots of oilfields that have been shut down - to restrict supply and increase prices and profits
This isn't me - this is Alex Jones
Check it out
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/ |
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James C
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I do find it strange that every time you get knocked back in one thread you just start another.
Alex Jones might be right. Abiotic theory could be true, but at present the earth does not appear to be making sufficient quantities of black gold fast enough for us to consume and keep up with the pace of western lifestyle.
Why did 9/11 happen and why was it used to launch attacks on Afghanistan, Iraq and now possibly Iran?
Why the need for ID cards and detention without trial unless troubled times in the future are expected?
Why the need to create war on Muslims, which just happens to be the religion for most of the people who occupy the very lands with the last remaining giant oilfields. (The US used to be the leading supplier of oil but not anymore)
Why all the trouble in Dafur, a region of Sudan which just happens to have great oil wealth?
Perhaps, TTWSU3, there is a link and it's not just about greed and wealth, although I suspect that is a big part of it. Perhaps it's also about a need to control oil at a time of crisis.
Where's your precious abiotic theory now? Please answer these questions because the connection with oil and gas cannot just be mere coincidence.
Feel free to call me a w@nker now just like you did in the '9/11 and oil' thread before you decided to start this one in some sort of pathetic revenge. |
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iro
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what if your both wrong and peak oil is another manipulated 'false flag' trick to achieve sinister aims
turning the taps off has worked in iraq....
no need to resort to insults gents. no one really knows 100% for sure whats going on with this one, its just how you see the info and who you believe.
as for the abiotic oil theory - im not sure of the validity of that and how it would stand up to lab testing to see if it was possible for oil to reproduce at a sustainable rate... i wish real science would do these tests.
one things for sure...theres plenty of oil at the minute |
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mason-free party
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| the fact is that USA invaded Iraq to keep the oil in the ground...not to get it out..Iraq supplies would dwarf all others if they were able to bring it into production and price of oil would drop below $20 |
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James C
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| mason-free party wrote: | | the fact is that USA invaded Iraq to keep the oil in the ground...not to get it out..Iraq supplies would dwarf all others if they were able to bring it into production and price of oil would drop below $20 |
This is pure speculation. Iraq's oil output is almost the same as it was when Saddam was in power and is rising.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5117170.stm
This report is slightly innacurate though in that Saudi Arabia's output is about 9 million barrels per day which is the same as Russia's output. Iraq will never top that, it just hasn't got oil fields of the same size.
You have to go back to 1999 to find the oil price below $20 per barrel. Simple economics, now that China is thisty for oil, says that the price aint going to go that low again. But look at the price of oil now, it's dropped by almost $20 in the last month. Petrol is down by 10p a litre. Doesn't sound like the oil companies are really doing what you say.
You might like to put it into context. Oil companies extract oil and sell it dirt cheap for what it is. Currently it costs 20 pence per litre. Can you buy a litre of bottled water for that? - try 4-5 times that price.
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sr4470
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JamesC, yes the raw price per litre isnt that high but government's 800% tax at the pump inflates it further.
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James C
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| sr4470 wrote: | | JamesC, yes the raw price per litre isnt that high but government's 800% tax at the pump inflates it further. |
In which case this has nothing to do with oil companies and everything to do with governments since that tax doesn't go to the oil companies themselves.
If you want to buy a barrel of oil then it will cost you $61. That's 20 pence per litre. No tax will be paid. If you want to convert it into petrol yourself then feel free.
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sr4470
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| James C wrote: | | In which case this has nothing to do with oil companies and everything to do with governments. |
Sometimes its hard to distinguish corporations *from* governments... 
Edit: the above percentage was incorrect - its about 300% currently. Apologies for that, pressed a wrong button on my calculator 
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zappasearcher
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posted this in a different thread but it is relevant....
I am of the opinion that 'peak oil' and 'global warming' are smoke screens of a sort.
There is no doubt in any sane persons mind that both these things are dirty, horrible and damaging to the planet and decisions should be taken to ban fossil fuels and other earth-damaging practises as soon as possible (ie right bleedin' now!).
I guess what I am trying to say/ask is? Who can we really believe when it comes to these issues? Just having the general populus confused about these issues is a ball in their court. It IS difficult for us (humans) to agree on many scientific issues from evolution to global warming to dark matter simply because there is no rule book to tell us exactly how this universe, solar system & earth works.
We could waste so many hours on discussing peak oil when what most of us want is NO OIL.
PS For those of you who have not paid much thought to the issue.
Whether it is the cleanest or not, fuel from plant biomass (esp cannabis hemp) means that fuel would not be in the hands of a monopoly but could be easily produced by even the simplest, poorest people with land and weeds. This is all about keeping us dependant rather than independent.
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Andrew Johnson
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sr4470
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Andrew Johnson wrote: | Maybe we aren't as "naughty" as some would have us believe. Yes, pollution is bad for us and we do it far more than necessary etc etc but....
Well, some of these scams are - erm - quite big, you know.... |
The main issues are air quality, DU\nuclear weapon usage, and pollution of waterways. Global warming (which should really be called global climate change) is part of a cycle. The current one is due to the sun heating up.
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Andrew Johnson
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| sr4470 wrote: | | Andrew Johnson wrote: | Maybe we aren't as "naughty" as some would have us believe. Yes, pollution is bad for us and we do it far more than necessary etc etc but....
Well, some of these scams are - erm - quite big, you know.... |
The main issues are air quality, DU\nuclear weapon usage, and pollution of waterways. Global warming (which should really be called global climate change) is part of a cycle. The current one is due to the sun heating up. |
Oops - yes - you are absolutely right - I was too focused on the car pollution issues etc. Totally agree with you about the Sun too - what with X40 class flares going off....
Another "secret", folks!
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sr4470
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| Andrew Johnson wrote: | | Oops - yes - you are absolutely right - I was too focused on the car pollution issues etc. |
All we need to do there is buy diesels and run them on more vegetable oil than regular fuel...kill two birds with one stone.
| Andrew Johnson wrote: | Totally agree with you about the Sun too - what with X40 class flares going off....
Another "secret", folks! |
Exactly, the sun's temperature goes into the millions of degrees C.
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TimmyG
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i find this 'peak oil is a scam' theory a bit far fetched.
peak oil makes sense. isn't hubbert predicting global peaking? and he correctly predicted peak oil in america in the 70s.
the war in iraq and the tensions with iran and venuzuela are surely connected to oil and the us dollar (the need for oil to be sold in us currency to sustain the american economy)
i mean if it's a scam who is orchestrating it and why?
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zappasearcher
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[quote="Andrew Johnson"] | zappasearcher wrote: | | This is all about keeping us dependant rather than independent. |
Alleluliah!
You've made it so simple - I wish I had said that!
Andrew, I have been researching the cannabis/fuel/biomass issue for a while now. take a look if you can find at Jack Herer's The Emperor Wears No Clothes. He has a webpage somewhere. There are also many others.
The Hemp Conspiracy is about as equal to the 'War On Terror' conspiracy in my mind. I don't want to get you distracted from important 911 work, but the widespread consequences from NOT using cannabis (as a fuel, fibre, medicine etc are astounding.)
Yes, other plants too (and alt. sources) are damn useful, but the CONSPIRACY behind Cannabis Sativa is as equal to the 911/War On Terror.
Trying to live without Cannabis is like trying to live without the most useful crop on Mother Earth.
Seed = Essential Fatty Acids (note ESSENTIAL) Omega Oils in perfect human ratio
Fibre - Clothes
Flowers/Resin Glands - Medicine
Food/Fibre/Medicine = SURVIVAL
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TimmyG
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i've been reading up on/watching docs on hemp and its many uses recently.
its fascinating. I'd really like to get hold of some seeds and try making some hemp milk.
can't dutch folk process hemp and use it for energy and food etc...?
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Andrew Johnson
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| TimmyG wrote: |
i mean if it's a scam who is orchestrating it and why? |
Who? Probably the global power elite - banks and big business people.
Why? Same reason as 9/11 to keep you in a state of fear and to keep you "coming back for more" - the principle on which our consumer society is founded.
Can I prove either of these? Nope. It's just an opinion. Take it or leave it.
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zappasearcher
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| TimmyG wrote: | i've been reading up on/watching docs on hemp and its many uses recently.
its fascinating. I'd really like to get hold of some seeds and try making some hemp milk.
can't dutch folk process hemp and use it for energy and food etc...? |
Timmy, the seeds are legal in the uk but to make hempseed milk you need to sprout them and that is illegal without a licence. I have hemp milk recipes/hempseed nutrition info if any one is interested altho' it will take me a day or two to find & type up. PM me, or send me an email or visit me at myspace.com/zappasearcher
as for the question re the dutch processing it - yes and so could uk and most of europe even under current laws. there are hemp crops yearly in the uk and they go to seed & fibre production mainly. It is the licensing restrictions (& ignorance) that stop it from being grown by most farmers.
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James C
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Andrew Johnson wrote: | | TimmyG wrote: |
i mean if it's a scam who is orchestrating it and why? |
Who? Probably the global power elite - banks and big business people.
Why? Same reason as 9/11 to keep you in a state of fear and to keep you "coming back for more" - the principle on which our consumer society is founded.
Can I prove either of these? Nope. It's just an opinion. Take it or leave it. |
Hi Andrew,
Are you suggesting that Russia was in on 9/11, or Iran or Venezuela? These countries are controlled by the global power elite too. Who are you then referring to because many people love to blame the oilgarchy but never name anyone directly.
Tha same can be said for the oil price issue. Is it a global conspiracy or just orchestrated by the US? If its just the US then they are hardly in a good position since they have no nationalised oil industry and consume 25% of the worlds oil. In effect they gain much less from oil production than say the Russians or Iranians who have a nationalised industry. It costs them a hell of a lot to buy this oil when the price is high and that aint good for their economy. True, the increased trade in dollars helps them but it is offset by the cost of oil to the US. When Kissinger orchestrated the 1973 oil crisis (if indeed he did) the US was the leading oil supplier and so any price rise was good for the country overall - the Vietnam war helped fund any shortfalls anyway. Now, the US produces half of what it did (because it peaked in ouput in 1970 when everyone said it wouldn't) and so high prices are not so good anymore and we haven't even factored in where the US gets most of it's oil, namely Venezuela!!! No wonder the US is so desperate to gain the oil from Iraq, Iran and Dafur from where they'll have direct control.
You might just like to read this article. It explains that the US's biggest oil company Exxon Mobil (the most profitable private company in the world) ranks only fourteenth in its share of oil and gas reserves compared with the world's National Oil Companies (NOC's). Doesn't appear that Exxon is in a position to manipulate markets does it? Exxon, BP, Shell and all those other private oil companies which everyone loves to berate actually hold only 10% of the world's reserves, the rest is by NOC's and the biggies are Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran and Venezuela. Except for Saudi therefore, the US cannot rely on the other three for support in this conspiracy you make claim to.
So although I agree with the fact that democracy doesn't really exist and we are all just managed in some way you might want to educate yourself a bit about how the energy markets of the world are carved up and who owns what before making such claims regarding "global power elites". |
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