A reply from Peter Hitchens to my e-mail

[marndin]

Dear Mr Noakes,
You have a strange idea of the best way to influence sceptical minds.
First, you seem to have had access to private correspondence between me and someone else. If David Shayler wants to write to me, he should do so direct. However, since you are obviously in touch with him, feel free to pass this on to him. Second, I will not be browbeaten into credulousness.
The idea that the US government would deliberately slaughter its own citizens is fundamentally absurd. A reasonable person would start from the position that the US authorities are innocent of this crime, and demand - which you have not produced - evidence of it before taking such a claim seriously enough to devote further time to it. . Supposition is not evidence. When you have some, please let me know. I may well be a very bad man. That is between me and my maker. The question is whether I am right or not. The 'nine-eleven' cultists, interestingly, also make much use of that Edmund Burke quotation, in their case to justify silly wars and attacks on liberty. The truth seems quite bad enough to me without this drivel. I do not think Edmund Burke intended his words to be used for such ends, and your use of them does not convince me. My point about the DVD player was a simple technical one, and happens to be a fact. If there is evidence for this claim, a film will no strengthen it.

PH

My Letter

Dear Peter

I am dismayed at the fact you appear to have ‘looked the other way’ as far as evidence is concerned on 9/11. If it was just a couple of anomalies I could accept your viewpoint, but the events of that day are literally surrounded by a plethora of unexplained actions and deceitful statements.

For you to not challenge that situation as a ‘Christian’ is despicable and spineless, regardless of your fear of job security.

How could you PRETEND to not have access to a DVD player, and then say that you haven’t the time to look at VHS footage when offered it?

You should be ashamed to call yourself a journalist!

Here’s a quote from Edmund Burke: All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

However, I’m not sure that you can currently even be classed as a ‘good man’.

Please reconsider your position here, as our future freedoms (yours as well as mine) depend on it.

Martin Noakes

peter.hitchens@mailonsunday.co.uk

[andyb]

I think you can rebut his poitn about not harming their citizens with the declaration of the air quality being safe despite them note knowing. 16000 people are now suffering as a result and that is early figures, birth defects are not being counted as well as other things

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09242006/news/regionalnews/rice_okd_claim_ of_safe_air_after_9_11_regionalnews_susan_edelman_______heather_gilmor e_____and_brad_hamilton.htm

[SHERITON HOTEL]

What were Peter Hitchens exact words in reply to David Shayler on the 'Heaven and Earth Show' Sunday September 10 about meeting him to debate the 9/11 truth? Can we get a transcript?

Excellent work by the way.

[TimmyG]

[SHERITON HOTEL]

[Graham]

[Pikey]

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4687

[chek]

[mkpdavies]

I'm very disapointed in Hitchens reply. I think he is quite on the ball a lot of the time, but his response here makes me question my previous opinion of him.

My father says the same thing, that he can't believe the American government would do that to it's own people.

How can anyone think like that, when history shows the people with lots of power, quite often will do anything to further their own aims, including kill people. It's not as if people have to believe it was the whole government either. It's quite possible a small cabal could have at least allowed the attacks to happen, if not more.

To just dismiss the idea of doing a thorough investigation, which is only fit for a crime of this magnitude, even if there was no doubts what-so-ever from anyone, is hard to reconcile.

As there are many worrying questions, even if it's just how competent the building designers were in creating builings that hold whole cities that can be wiped out with single plane hits, there is just no way a detailed investigation is not essential. The best case scenario is criminal negligence and incompetence happened that day, but I have to say I fear there was too much of that to be coincidence.

[SHERITON HOTEL]

Would it be a good move to contact the Sunday mail editor and tell him/her that Hitchens ducking out of the promise he made on 'The Heaven and Earth Show' to David Shayler damages the journalistic integrity of the paper he/she edits? (presuming he/she didn't instruct Hitchens to drop it).

[AntiZionistAntiNeocon]

[chek]

[sr4470]

Apparently it was Condi Rice who gave the order for the EPA cover up.

[Andrew]

Hi there, I'm new around here...

[John White]

[Pikey]

[marndin]

You're right John, however, his mind isn't sceptical, it's 'closed'.

I'm not usually aggessive like that.

On a plus point though, he has now revealed to us all his true colours. He doesn't honour his promises and won't behave like a 'true' journalist should. i.e. look at the evidence before coming to a conclusion.

It's understandable that your average person in the street believes what they read, but totally unnaceptable for journalists to print stories that are obviously untrue, especially when they mean life and death.

We need to hold these journalists to account somehow.

Following his e-mail I have sent him a far more balanced reply with lots of information about the events on that day.

I doubt that he'll check it out though.

He has a right to his opinion, but a person in his position has a duty to investigate and accurately report facts to the people who purchase the newspapers.

We need to be looking over their shoulders and pressurising them.

Martin

[spiv]

I have to agree here with John White. I believe that the only way forward with introducing people to doubts about 9/11 is to raise questions as to why 9/11 couldn't have been carried out by 19 Arab highjackers using stanley knives, not labour in immediately with accusations that factions of the American Government "must've done it".

I always start off by posing questions to those I speak to, such as "How some a 110 storey building free-fall to earth, indeed, not one but two?", "Why did a third also collapse at free-fall speeds?" (that one is great, as many people are rather surprised to learn that there was a third) "How could not one but four aircraft swanny around American airspace for 1/1/2 hours, yet not one fighter was scrambled to intercept?", "How could planes vapourise, when I've seen news films of planes slamming into the side of mountains yet there was clear wreckage visible?". Then once the person is starting to doubt, one can press in further.

Imagine your reaction if someone were to say to you (and many thanks to aMark Gobell of this website for this quote) "I've just seen Jesus walking on the Thames". What would be your reaction?

I do think, though, it would be a good idea if several of us were to e-mail Mr Hitchens with our various doubts and questions.

In addition, I don't believe anyone on this forum knows what actually happened that fateful day. The Truth Movement is, as far as I am aware, campaigning for a full, thorough, independent and unbiaised public iinquiry into the events of 9/11.

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Think you are wasting your time on Hitchens

He is one of those false oppositions put in place to make it look like we have a free press.

I wrote to him at Mail on Sunday over a year ago and sent him the Eric Hufschmitt book and DVD - 911 isn't something that's new to him.

[John White]

Dear Mr Hitchens

I'm writing to follow up an E-mail from Mr Noakes regarding 9/11 that you received recently: please don’t dismiss this mail out of hand because of that, I hope you will bear with me for just a moment

Firstly, I would like to offer some clarifying information:

Like Mr Noakes, I am a member of the British 911 Truth Campaign message board, www.nineeleven.co.uk

The campaign has no formal centralised structure, and is basically a collection of individual citizens trying to find clear answers to the enigma's of 9/11, and generally campaigning for there to be a new investigation into the events of that day

I do not believe Mr Noakes message was based around private conversation between yourself and Mr Shayler (who does not actively post on the message board) but on the public record of your appearance on the "Heaven and Earth" show on the morning of Sunday September 10th. Clips from television programmes are widely available via the internet, and for those privately questioning official statements on a wide range of subjects, not least 9/11, form an important source of primary evidence

Its not for me to apologise for any misunderstanding, but I trust that some common sense clarification is useful

Actually, you exchange with and impressions of Mr Noakes reveal one of the persistent problems with communication between, for example, journalists such as yourself, and private individuals like Mr Noakes. 9/11 was such a traumatic and psychologically affecting event that it makes considering the issues with clarity rather difficult: especially because individuals have a tendency to become upset and emotional when they consider themselves to be lied to, and even more so when they consider the culprit to be government. This leads to people being dismissed as lacking credibility all too often, and does not conclusively demonstrate there is no cause for concern

You have asked for evidence that there is something wrong with the official account of 9/11, and I would most sincerely recommend that you give a little of your attention to this website, where I believe you will find information that can be considered journalistically credible:

www.911pressfortruth.com

and their hour and a half documentary

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=press+fo r+truth
(*updated link*)

Here you will find the story of the Jersey Girls, four 911 widows who were absolutely instrumental in pushing the Bush administration to allow any kind of investigation into 911 at all, and Paul Thompson, the investigative reporter who helped them assemble a detailed picture of the events leading up to 9/11 with information data mining techniques

You will not find talk of controlled demolitions or other attempts to understand and explain anomalies that are currently unprovable

But you will find a solid account showing 3 principal major problems with excellent records and sources:

1) Clear and incontrovertible evidence of prior knowledge and a failure to take effective action

2) A Clear demonstration of how the 911 Commission was whitewashed

3) A credible look at where the funding for the terrorists came from, and of how Osama Bin Laden was given corridors of escape during the Afghan campaign

If you study this information, I believe you may find a compelling case to consider that 9/11 has not been credibly investigated, and that people of good conscience must consider supporting the call for a fresh and rigorous investigation: which is all the British 9/11 Campaign is asking anyone to do

Sincere regards to you Mr Hitchens, your work exposing the moves to remove civil liberties and install a surveillance state are certainly very much appreciated, and my thanks and appreciation for you taking the time to read this message

Yours Sincerely

John White

www.malvernmesages.com

[marndin]

Excellent message John.

Have you e-mailed it to him directly?

Martin

[John White]

'Course I have mate: any news, I'll let people know

[Pincher]

You must be aware chaps of the special relationship that The Mail enjoys with Millbank and Vauxhall Cross?

It's extremely unlikely that Hitchens is in denial about 9/11 - he is far too well connected to the grandee, mandarin and spook elite to be ignorant of what is really going on.

But many of you should start to grow up. You are far too idealistic. There's no such thing as a cricket loving democracy. It's a dog eat dog world out there where ALL states do despicable things routinely to protect their national interests.

On the scale of wickedness over the last five years 9/11 barely registers. Beslan was a far worse crime (another false flag operation). And the invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon are nothing in comparison to the crimes committed in the Congo and Darfur.

But the latter are crimes largely of French and Chinese instigation so there won't be too much interest in protesting about them here (as these countries fund 'The Stop The War Coalition').

[chek]

[andyb]

John, great letter and post. I've just watched Press for Truth and this will certainly recommend this to a large audience over LC2. It is about picking the right material for the right audience but you can give this film to an MP and embarass him.

[Pincher]

[chek]

Things are depressingly bad all over. Everywhere, fragile human beings are being damaged and brutalised on so many levels.
But ya have to start somewhere.

[iro]

you can't come across as superior if you want to convince someone of something they are likely to resist.

actions like this only serve to polarise people and drive would be defactors further from the nineleven movement. It's time to stop spamming these people and harassing them - some people will never come on board, just don't waste your time or effort on them.

on the other hand - goreat letter as a response john - although i expect it will end up in the spam bin also

hitchens is an idiot. no loss

[John White]

I'd like a response from Hitchens obviously, but it's not the only benefit of writing it: its got some good ideas flowing and shown by example too

I cant think of a better film than "Pressfortruth" for a Daily Mail audience: its great, it works for everyone

The right tool for the right job: and every lever works!

[Pincher]