Terror farce over refusal to unmask 7/7 suspect

[ian neal]

Terror farce over refusal to unmask 7/7 suspect

[zappasearcher]

I wonder if the one is Haroon Rashid Aswat? Or some other intel officer.

[ian neal]

Unless any one knows different Haroon Aswat is rotting in Belmarsh awaiting extradition to the US on terror camp charges. The British authorities show no interest it appears in questioning Aswat in relation to 7/7. Aswat is the obvious place to start in making the connections between July 7 and rogue elements of the British authorities IMO, but no it's not him

Related links

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6057140.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6056168.stm

[Abandoned Ego]

I watched a fabulous vid today ( courtesy of another mysteriously locked thread ) out of which came the infamous comment that ' People get the Governments they deserve'

When I look at this moronic excuse for a Government ; A Government who are trying it would appear to make it as plain as the nose on your face, that they are lying to you at every juncture, and about everything - Then I have to say who could argue with the above quote ?

The high level freemasons have always argued that because people are incapable of thinking for themselves, or taking responsibility for themselves, then the responsibility rests with them.

Forgive the depressing post, but I just cant help feeling pissed off with the stupidity of the general public sometimes.

Not to mention dissillusioned with our treacherous press, politicians, and all the rest of these cretins, who have sold their very souls at the expense of humanity in general

[ian neal]

We are all familiar with the quote

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."

often attributed to Abraham Lincoln

This implies that in order to get away with high crimes like 9/11 and so forth the (US) government would have to fool all of us all the time. Of course that's not how 'democracies' work. All you need to do is ensure that a majority of those that can be arsed to vote are fooled and count on collective amenesia and herd mentality to do the rest

As George W so rightly says

“You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”

[Mark Gobell]

Could this be another seed in a problem reaction solution fait accompli construct ?

Our own Law Lords ruled in Dec 2004 that:

Indefinite detention is not allowed under human rights law. In an effort to comply with its human rights obligations, the government suspended (“derogated from”) part of its obligations under article 5 of the ECHR (the right to liberty).

John Reid is subsequently on record http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article1220495.ece as wanting to bypass ECHR legislation.

This first chap who has allegedly absconded did so some months before and the second some weeks before the story was allowed to break in the press http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6152835,00.html so why was it kept secret ?

In between time we've had the deliberate propaganda story about veils that "must be removed" followed by another "story" of a terror suspect who escaped by wearing a burka. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2395178,00.html

We now have a story of a "dangerous terror suspect" who was placed under a control order, who's alleged escape from a mental health institution was kept quiet for months or weeks, now wearing a "digital veil" presumably to protect his human rights.

Security Minister Tony McNulty said the Government was considering invoking a clause in the 2005 Prevention of Terrorism Act which allows it to set aside Britain's obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23371122-details/Terror+far ce+over+refusal+to+unmask+77+suspect/article.do

So the reason these chaps are not in prison is because there is insufficient evidence to imprison them so they are placed under a control order. The Law Lords rule that the control orders are incompatible with ECHR legislation. The control orders are watered down a little then allowed not to work. So we get the answer from our Insecurity Minister Tony McNulty - tear up the ECHR legislation.

If the story is true the solution is very simple. If they have escaped from custody then they have committed a criminal offence, pure and simple. There is therefore no requirement not to publish their faces as is normally done in any manhunt.

The real question is why, if there is insufficient evidence to put them on trial for the alleged offences, were they subject to control orders in the first place ?

To react, as some might with the typical "government is a shambles" argument is to miss the point IMO. I simply no longer subscribe to that point of view. There are no accidents, all of this conforms to the rules of Hegelian dialectics, thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis, or problem, reaction, solution to you and me.

[marndin]