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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Return Tickets: Revisited Reply with quote

A question that has been asked of the 4 "Suicide Bomber's" actions on the morning of July 7th 2005 is WHY did they purchase return tickets, at the extra cost of approx £40 collectively, when they knew they were never going to return?

The most popular answer is that they did not want to arouse suspicion of the ticket attendant or any else that might have been in the queue at the time. That makes sense doesn't it??

No. It doesn't.

On the contrary, there would be nothing more suspicious than a group of lads with large rucksacks on their backs for some reason buying return tickets when they must surely be going somewhere on holiday. That's what most people use rucksacks for isn't it? Especially a travelling group of lads.

I put it to you that Single tickets would not have aroused an ounce of suspicion, whereas return tickets would have seemed strange to a ticket attendant, thereby drawing attention to an otherwise normal occurance (a group of lads going on holiday).

There can only be one reason that they bought return tickets, and that is because they thought they were coming back that day. Tragically, they did not.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:02 am    Post subject: My Inquiry has answered that question Reply with quote

LONDON JULY 7 05 : INQUIRY VERDICT

As the 07.40 , Luton to London train, which the police say the Four Suicide Bombers Caught was cancelled and with the next train arriving at Kings Cross at 08.42 how did the bombers manage to leave the train, leave King’s Cross, reach the underground, board the different tubes, get into position and self-explode in 7 minutes?
They were all athletes.

Why , with the saturation CCTV coverage – entrances, escalators, platforms, carriages – of London
Underground, was there no footage to be found of the suicide bombers.?
All of the cameras packed up at the same time.

How did they find a still photograph of the four bombers from the Luton Station CCTV coverage when there was no CCTV footage? A holiday-maker was there with his video camera.

Why does white-hat-man, in the photograph, in front of the railings, have a railing half-way through his face and cutting off his lower left arm? He had had a rough night.

Why, with no previous connections to any militant groups did the suicide bombers choose to die and kill for Islam? They were all overnight converts.

Why did the four pose for the CCTV cameras and carry wallets full of ID?
They wanted their families, friends and the Muslim community to be identified, abused and harassed.

Why did they not shout the standard Islamic proclamation before committing suicide and murder?
They did not want to startle anyone.

Why did they buy return tickets? In case they changed their minds.

Why did they buy pay & display parking tickets?
They did not want the hire car company to have to pay a fine.

Why was the carriage floor damage in an upwards direction?
The suicide bombers clung to the underside of the train.

How did the police know so much so quickly?
Extra-sensory perception.

Why was Israeli Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, told not to leave his hotel room - Great Western, adjacent to Liverpool Street Station? A man was selling pork pies outside the hotel.

Why did the suicide bus bomber go to back seat of the top deck? To minimise damage.

Why was this no.30 bus the only bus to be re-directed, off its usual route, by the police?
They had a premonition.

Why did they not tell the passengers? They did not want to look silly if they were wrong.

Why did the man who had just bought a new Mercedes commit suicide?
He wished he had bought a Porsche.

LET THAT BE AN END TO IT.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know what I'm sick of? These idiots who worship the government and think Big Brother is good, and that their kids being thumbscanned for lunch in their own little prisons (lets face it, thats what schools are becoming) is good.

Apparently the drills, the Kingstar van are coincidence. Yes there is more CCTV evidence but it needs to be kept under wraps for "investigative" purposes Rolling Eyes . I can take some solace in that my other half and the great folk here arent so stupid...

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did they buy return tickets? The official account says "It is not known where they bought their tickets or what sort of tickets they possessed, but they must have had some to get on to the platform."
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're absolutely right Bushwacker. I downloaded the official Narrative and they categorically state, as you pointed out, that it is unknown what type of tickets they purchased OR where they were purchased.

Is this a U-turn or were the British public misinformed previously because I was under the impression that they
a) bought reutrn tickets and
b) purchased them at Luton station on that morning.

Does anybody know where the "Return tickets" story originated?????

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

16 July 2005
EXCLUSIVE: WAS IT SUICIDE?
Why did they buy return train tickets to Luton? Why did they buy pay & display tickets for cars? Why were there no usual shouts of 'Allah Akhbar'? Why were bombs in bags and not on their bodies?
By Jeff Edwards

THE London bombers may have been duped into killing themselves so their secrets stayed hidden.

Police and MI5 are probing if the four men were told by their al-Qaeda controller they had time to escape after setting off timers. Instead, the devices exploded immediately.

A security source said: "If the bombers lived and were caught they'd probably have cracked. Would their masters have allowed that to happen? We think not."

The evidence is compelling: The terrorists bought return rail tickets, and pay and display car park tickets, before boarding _ a train at Luton for London. None of the men was heard to cry "Allah Akhbar!" - "God is great" - usually screamed by suicide bombers as they detonate their bomb.

Their devices were in large rucksacks which could be easily dumped instead of being strapped to their bodies. They carried wallets containing their driving licences, bank cards and other personal items. Suicide bombers normally strip themselves of identifying material.

Similar terror attacks against public transport in Madrid last year were carried out by recruits who had time to escape and planned to strike again.

Bomber Hasib Hussain detonated his device at the rear of the top deck of a No 30 bus, not in the middle of the bottom deck where most damage would be caused.

Additionally, two of the bombers had strong personal reasons for staying alive.

Jermaine Lindsay's partner Samantha Lewthwaite, 22, mother of his one-year-old son, is expecting her second baby within days. Mohammed Sidique Khan's wife Hasina, mum of a 14-month-old daughter, is also pregnant.

Our source disclosed: "The theory that they were not a suicide squad is gathering pace. They were the weakest link.

"We think it's possible they were told that when they pressed buttons to set off timers they'd have a short time to abandon the bombs and get away before the blast. Instead, the bombs exploded immediately."

Another intelligence source added: "Whoever is behind this didn't want to waste their best operatives on a suicide mission. Instead they used easily recruited low-grade men who may have believed they'd walk away."

At least 54 people were killed in the 7/7 blasts. Khan, 30, of Dewsbury, Shehzad Tanweer, 22, of Leeds, and Jamaican-born Lindsay, 19, of Aylesbury, Bucks, detonated devices on the Tube at Edgware Road, Aldgate and King's Cross.

Hussain, 18, of Leeds, blasted the bus at Tavistock Square. The Tube explosions went off almost simultaneously. But the bus went up an hour later.

Yesterday, Hussain's family told of their horror at the teenager's involvement in the massacre. They said in a statement: "We are devastated over the events of the past few days. Hasib was a loving and normal young man who gave us no concern and we are having difficulty taking this in.

"Our thoughts are with all the bereaved families. We have to live with the loss of our son in these difficult circumstances.

"We had no knowledge of his activities and, had we done, we would have done everything in our power to stop him. We urge anyone with information to cooperate fully with the authorities."

Police are urgently investigating the missing 81 minutes between Hussain arriving from Luton in London and the time his bomb went off.

His device may have malfunctioned. He may have lost his nerve. Or he may have panicked when he discovered the Northern Line, on which he is thought to have been due to travel, was suspended.

Officers want to discover if Hussain met anyone else who either strengthened his faltering resolve or reset his flawed bomb.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15742951%26method=full%26site id=94762%26headline=was%2dit%2dsuicide%2d%2d-name_page.html

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they were duped it would certainly help to explain why Hasib Hussain was wandering around trying to phone the others some time after their bombs had exploded.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bushwacker wrote:
If they were duped it would certainly help to explain why Hasib Hussain was wandering around trying to phone the others some time after their bombs had exploded.


If he was.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Return Tickets: Revisited Reply with quote

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at the extra cost of approx ?40 collectively


Please can you provide a source for this figure?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the video of the man saying he was about to martyr himself was a fake? He had no intention of killing himself as a suicide bomber? Sounds like this little gem which was perhaps the strongest "evidence" used to point the finger of guilt at the four could turn out to be a bit awkward now the official version needs backtracking!!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So the video of the man saying he was about to martyr himself was a fake? He had no intention of killing himself as a suicide bomber? Sounds like this little gem which was perhaps the strongest "evidence" used to point the finger of guilt at the four could turn out to be a bit awkward now the official version needs backtracking!!


It was incredibly poorly faked. Not to mention we were only shown a small segment of the video.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Return Tickets: Revisited Reply with quote

AntiZionistAntiNeocon wrote:
Doublethink wrote:
at the extra cost of approx £40 collectively


Please can you provide a source for this figure?

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Why bother? If the four did not travel from Luton that day no tickets would exist. The Mirror article is sourced to police and MI5. It is disinfo just as much as the suicide bomber story.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The source was the thameslink (now first capital connect) website.

About a tenner more expensive to get a day return. That is assuming it was a day return.

However, as it now turns out that it is not known at all what type of tickets they bought or where they got them from, then the thread is almost irrelevant. Other than the fact that if you ask most people, they'll tell you that they beleive the alleged bombers bought return tickets.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do most people believe that the "suicide bombers" bought return tickets? The Mirror story surfaced a few days before the 21/7 events. That, of course, re-inforced the suicide bomber fairytale. A nice PSYOP. Float the idea that that the four were duped, then squash it by the farcial events of 21/7.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sr4470 wrote:

Apparently the drills, the Kingstar van are coincidence.

What significance do you place on the Kingstar van, bearing in mind that the type of demolition they specialise in does not use explosives?
See their website: http://www.kingstar.co.uk/demoli.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What significance do you place on the Kingstar van, bearing in mind that the type of demolition they specialise in does not use explosives?
See their website: http://www.kingstar.co.uk/demoli.htm


Notice it says they carry out *quiet* controlled demolition..

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sr4470 wrote:
Bushwacker wrote:
What significance do you place on the Kingstar van, bearing in mind that the type of demolition they specialise in does not use explosives?
See their website: http://www.kingstar.co.uk/demoli.htm


Notice it says they carry out *quiet* controlled demolition..

Exactly, i.e not using explosives.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Exactly, i.e not using explosives.


Shouldnt we be looking into what exactly caused the bus damage?

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