Rumsfeld says Flight 93 was "shot down."

[Pikey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0

[iro]

he's saying that terrorists shot down the plane ........weird. listen to the sentence.

he's mad or * with heads

[Roger the Horse]

GREAT clip. Never seen that one before. I think what is particularly revealing about it is the reaction of the 2 people behind as soon as he says 'shot down'.

[chek]

[HERA]

At first I thought Rums had slipped up but, of course, he had not.

As the fact that no wreckage or bodies were found at Shanksville Pa., has sunk into too many American brains, the new version is to cover up the fact that UA93 landed at Hopkins, Cleveland, and the passengers were disembarked.
The relatives might start asking awkward questions about what happened to them.

Rums may have some problems with the shoot down being by "terrorists". Will he come up with Ossie stealing an F-16?

[chek]

[Skeptic]

^ very interesting chek

is this all in the Tarpley book? I've been a bit slow reading it

what evidence is there for these ideas?

makes sense though

[chek]

[Skeptic]

^ Thanks

I'll have to read that asap

Yes I've heard that verification is a bit of a problem with Tarpley's work but based on his radio shows, false flag news and lectures I still think he's excellent at putting it all in context

[utopiated]

The more astute people have for a while realised that Tarpley is actually closer to the mark that many others and Angel is Next [together with a pre-9/11 assasination attempt on Bush Jr] is a good model for this whole situation.

If we, as a community, spent more time looking at this kind of thing and LESS thinking we know it all after 5 mins internet searching then maybe we'd be making more progress. I'm saying this in the context of the futile "debate" that has gone on on this site and others regarding:

"LJ Chavez is a disinfo agent"

...this scene is going up it's own ass. The guy broke nothing much new and yet within 24hrs he's attacked from all sides with amateur takes on his motives as if these people know him personally.

Would you come out as a whistleblower in this climate?? Didn't think so.

Note that this has been about for a while... the link to the transcript is here:

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html

[chek]

[utopiated]

[tuntang]

you don't need a degree in psychology to work out that that was a freudian slip. nothing more on that quote needs to be said.

I couldn't agree more than utopiated comments about blair, not being an illuminoid magik whatever- (the sort of stuff Icke is talking about). Basically theories about lizards and shapshifters are almost soley responsible for devaluing the opinion of 'so called conspiracy theorists' such as our selves. Its about time that we distanced ourselves from those sort of views and commentators because they dso nothing but make us all look like a bunch of paraniod, delusional freaks.

You don't need a illumintae, shadow cult running a state disinformation programme when you have the likes of Icke knocking around. Because whilst elements of the truth movement are linking in with BS like zionist conspiracy nutters and lizard hunters, no-one will ever take us seriously.

[utopiated]

Sure... but I posted something on this exact issue on this forum or another a few weeks back basically making the point that we need to regularly check just what consesus reality "on the street" is with re to 9/11 or 7/7 etc.

The thing is most of us in this field accept the fact that cover/state operators will stage events and

- kill 'their own'
- distort history

for their own games, finances, power or mostly because this is just 'what they do'. This has been my point about peak oil argument. It's irrelevant on one level because the secret govt. and MIC will wage war and terror *anyway* - they do not need a reason.

We tend to forget that most of the population don't think along the lines of the false flag agenda and in fact for many moving to this POV really takes a huge reversal in worldview. So my point is that it really isn't a vast leap to think there are "elite" or illuminati control groups pulling strings on this once you've made the initial move.

In fact, when you look at history and the evidence - that is exactly what's going on.