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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 9/11 Truth critic
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 1009
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: day to day campaigning ru doin it |
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What is everybody doing on a day to day basis - there is not much time left.
We will lose the internet in the next few years.
If you don't answer will assume you are doing nothing
Will start ball rolling
I walk up to complete strangers every day and engage them in the subject
and give out leaflets and dvds
If you don't answer will assume you are doing nothing |
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ComfortablyNumb Minor Poster
Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 86 Location: Flintshire
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Before I 'spread the word' I want to be sure of the facts and not spread fanciful assumptions that could never be proved. So I'm reading a lot right now. |
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Graham Moderate Poster
Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 350 Location: bucks
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Yes. |
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scubadiver Validated Poster
Joined: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 1850 Location: Currently Andover
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:05 am Post subject: |
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ComfortablyNumb wrote: | Before I 'spread the word' I want to be sure of the facts and not spread fanciful assumptions that could never be proved. So I'm reading a lot right now. |
I have also been reading a lot (currently "Towers of Deception" by Barrie Zwicker).
I am thinking of starting my own business and I want to send out some emails to gauge the feasibility but I will also be including a link to my 9/11 website and asking them to visit (though I won't be giving the link on here just yet). I want to let them discover stuff in their own time and not to people who know the evidence inside out. I am also putting together a brief questionnaire on the site. |
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Reflecter Validated Poster
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 486 Location: Manchester
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well Ive introduced 4 people directly in the last week. One was glad of people like us with alternative views who are about doing something about whats going on but he himself personally, didnt give a damn and simply regarded it as yet more power games by the elite. He didnt doubt it.
An Islamic Muslim on my course clocked a 911 t-shirt I was wearing and asked if id seen Loose Change, shown to him by a cousin. He was worried of whats going on but not convinced either way. I gave him 12 more films to check out, flyers deception notes etc. I await to see his reaction.
A lady on my course with interests in Islamic Studies took it all aboard and wants to come to film nights and talks. hopefully the Unspinning the Truth event on the 17th OCT. Hopefully she will get involved with me in flyering etc. Whilst I spoke with her a third party of the more Left Chomsky stance, took more than passing interest and tried to debunk me but largely failed. Ive seeded doubts among the mature students society last week following a trip to an Inconvenient Truth and will embark on posters all over campus bill boards and flyering local venues whilst i sort out arranging film night screenings shortly.
It aint much but Im doing something small each day whenever possible. _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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Andrew Johnson Mighty Poster
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1919 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Top Man Reflecter - and anyone who has gone out of their way to give out a DVD, stick up a sticker or speak to a friend. _________________ Andrew
Ask the Tough Questions, Folks! |
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hampton Validated Poster
Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 310 Location: London
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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ComfortablyNumb wrote: | Before I 'spread the word' I want to be sure of the facts and not spread fanciful assumptions that could never be proved. So I'm reading a lot right now. |
fair enough, although there's easily enough facts, that most people don't know, to get them thinking.
and that's all we need they'll never look at the news in the same way.
facts:
911:
wtc7 which they won't even of heard of;
near freefall collapse;
no fighter jet interception when it had happened 60 times the year before;
operation northwoods- historical usa false flag terror plot;
government said it was safe to go back to the toxic environment;
doctors, professors, government officials and celebrities now
risking their careers by effectively saying 911 was an inside job
77:
wrong train times announced by john reid on day of india bombing
peter power- ex scot yard anti-terror op running simulation of bombs going off at precisely the same locations;
eye witnesses saying it looked as though the bomb was under the train;
kingstar van- robotic demolition company next to bus bomb;
bus diversion;
jean charles de menzes murder
related:
nottingham leafleting ban;
parliament protest ban;
google video resetting counter on 'terror storm' & 'loose change' (although still making 10 million)
back to the thread topic.
dvds, going to demos & events, talking about it to anyone i meet.
most people now say "it wouldn't surprise me".
i tend to talk as if it is now accepted fact that 911 was an inside job.
lots has happened recently which make the public distrust government.
please see
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=28883
. _________________ Have No Fear! Peace, Love & Hemp is here!
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Newspeak International Validated Poster
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Yep same here, giving out dvd's talking about it to anyone.
One guy I gave 3 discs to said unprompted "They did it didn't they" and went on like a real truther for a couple of minutes.The next time I saw him he asked "Are you a Holocaust denier?" No I replied,he then said something quite unexpected "If you said you were I would have nothing to do with you lot"!!!!!!
I take it he meant the facts and questions posed on the dvd's that persuaded him "They did it didn't they" would have been totally discredited would I have said yes to his Holocaust question,very odd that!
(If you're reading this you know that was an odd statement mate )
Another guy came up and shook my hand,and now is a willing distributer.
Others give me a nod and a , although a couple just steer clear I've yet to catch them up but I will do.
Another good angle I use lately (not 9/11 related) is to mention stuff in diet drinks and sugar-free gum,Aspertame a known toxin for example, (allowed by the food industry for some reason), always raises the eyebrows.
Like most here I don't pretend to know it all, I just ask those awkward questions and try get others to consider alternative opinions, other than incredibly farcical official ones |
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Reflecter Validated Poster
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 486 Location: Manchester
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Andrew.
I really liked your videos from OCT 2nd of spreading the word and testing perceptions in Derby. Ive had a few run ins like that where people have encountered some of the information before (your second interviewee)and it sets them off again. Excellent stuff.
I recently saw a youtube video of an American guy who filmed people on the street that allowed it, in response to 4 questions (non 9/11). It was a long but interesting film I cannot re-pin point. He asked "What do you think of when you think of America?" "Whats important to you right now?" "Whats something you are interested in that other people would consider mundane?" and possibly another question.
A large number of responders expressed that America is 1930's Germany headed to destruction abroad and domestically. Others expressing interest in such issues which they felt no-one else had woken upto.
By shifting from outside to internally reflective questions it aided the openess of responses. Perhaps questionaires should be structured this way somehow to effect personal involvement with 9/11 and the tragidies it has spawned.
I agree with Comfortably numb on using the best evidence only and suggest we all dish out films and conversation daily. One person at a time we may make a difference.
Aspartame and ID issues are excellent eyeopeners but does tend to get you suspicious glances of "exactly how many conspiracy theories are you hooked into?" If asked i say none, only those that have evidence available in the public domain to back them up as Conspiracy and not theory. Sadly thats where 9/11 falls down in the official version and where things get interesting. _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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Reflecter Validated Poster
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 486 Location: Manchester
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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I agree Brian, (not that Im a star of course but about the viewpoint issue )
I tend to suggest to people that the main truth we know of 9/11 is that no-one knows the truth but that the official line has many many problems and little evidence to back up its media hyped assertions. A CT and a bad one at that. Given that we are constantly reminded that we live in a post 911 world I usually enquire if people actually know anything about 911, given that they are happily following requests to give up liberties on the basis of that phrase and their perceived version of events. Once you point out that events that day have been suppressed, that heros of ground zero workers are either suppressed or pressing charges over health issues from toxic dust and that alternative views exist backed by family victims. You tend to get a little attention. As few people have actually made sure they know anything about 9/11 despite the monumental imporatnce placed upon it by government. I am still open to all theories on what may have happenned and hope one day we'll have a real account of what did occur. Thats what were fighting for I hope.
The Scholars were big tent and looked at most issues openly, on the forums they found enough evidence for many to abandon the no planes issue whilst sticking with a possibilty of no commercial 7x7. The Pentagon gets weirder with new videos, conflicting FDR data and witness statements and still remains a mystery. Flight 93 also remains unclear. Not that the towers arent, as Jones may say thermate etc whilst others push more advanced weaponry involvement and yet few demo guys or engineers back either theory. Im open to all theories including the fact that ET lizrds may have engineered the whole thing and are using anti-semtism plants to cover their tracks. Sadly most people wont buy that until a third encounter. So we plod on, happily nowadays finding more and more who are of the "I knew that all along" camp that 'In Plane Site' mentioned. Ive met at loads already, sadly they also knew that "they dont give a damn aslong as they can keep shopping" putting them squarely, despite their awareness, among Bush's terrorists in my book, for silence is betrayal but GAP happiness is filling theirs.
Regards _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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Graham Moderate Poster
Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 350 Location: bucks
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Bongo Brian wrote: |
Putting words into my mouth? Oh and Graham... "Yes!"... I take it you also make the same mistake as Mr Numb?
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No, I was responding to the OP question.
Bongo Brian wrote: | There are some of those who assimilate "asking the questions" with "promoting nonsence"... (ComfortablyNumb & Graham on this thread) |
Ahem... see above. I've been doing this for over two years now. Care to point out any improvements I might make? |
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ComfortablyNumb Minor Poster
Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 86 Location: Flintshire
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Bongo Brian wrote: | Go on... Enlighten me? |
Wow Bongo you have made a large number of assumptions about me haven't you!
Please dont read this much into my comments other than exactly what I said. I want to be fully informed. Four weeks ago I knew nothing of this. LC2 has changed my perspective on things. Four weeks ago you would not have seen me buying books from the political science section in Borders or downloading videos or ordering DVDs from the US.
So please give me a break!
But as you ask, here are the things I dont buy:
No planes
CGI manipulation
3D Projection
Planes being swapped (passengers dissappear)
Nuclear explosions
These to me are fanciful assumptions which dilutes the argument and will switch off most people immediately. Stick with what you can prove and you will win the day. (you I mean collectively)
I will also add (and I know I'm gonna be hated for this) that I'm not a structual engineer nor a demolition expert, so how can I be sure that free fall collapse is not possilbe unless explosives are used. I find structual collapse due to fire hard to believe but I can't stand up and say it's impossible cos I don't have that kind of knowledge.
I believe there is a conspiracy, I believe the US is in the same place as Germany was in the 30's but on a more subtle level.
And above all I hope and pray I am totally wrong in these beliefs.
If I think fanciful assumptions are being presented as fact I will challenge it. I don't expect you to like what I'm saying here, but all I ask is you respect it. If you don't you might as well join the GOP!
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Andrew Johnson Mighty Poster
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1919 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Well said CN - keep up the investigation and keep asking the questions.
As regards CD evidence, you can say "a number of scientists and academics state that Controlled Demolition is the only realistic way the that towers could have come down in about 10, 8 and 7 respectively. This statement is supported by:
1) Explosive Squibs seen on stills and video
2) Firemen's and other witness reports of multiple explosions
3) Pulverisation of WTC 1 & 2 to dust
4) Symettric collapse of WTC 7.
"
I don't know if this helps at all, but I have made some sheets which show some of these things:
http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/9-11-A4Posters.zip
They are in MS-Word format, so you can change them yourself if you want to. _________________ Andrew
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Graham Moderate Poster
Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 350 Location: bucks
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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cool. OP = original poster. |
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ComfortablyNumb Minor Poster
Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 86 Location: Flintshire
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Just so you know exactly what I meant Bongo the Question was:
day to day campaigning ru doin it?
which I replied
Before I 'spread the word' I want to be sure of the facts and not spread fanciful assumptions that could never be proved. So I'm reading a lot right now.
Without being rude here your previous post didn't figure at all in what I ws saying. I had just read some bunk on chemtrails and the no planes stuff which coloured my response.
It was sheer coincidence thay you had referred to 'spreading'
Phew!
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