Rigorous Alice.!

[blackbear]

I like to recommend an excellent poster from "Rigorous Intuition",.......Alice the Curious.

Some recent threads....."on political Islam, "Ahmadinejad's World"

......... Zionism and History.........worth reading her views.

http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition

A flavour..........

wordspeak, I brought up the Jamaa Islameyya case as an example of what can be done when violence motivated by "religious" fanaticism is truly seen as a threat. The approach taken by the team of Islamic scholars dealt effectively (and dare I say with love?) with the young men who had been brainwashed into extremism.

Do you think that bombing the areas where they live and killing their family members would have had the same effect?

Of course you don't. I'm not accusing you of advocating mass murder, but, please, at least admit that when Zionists and US neocons talk about "Islamo-fascism", they are actually pushing an evil stereotype which they designed and nurtured, and then advocating one possible course of action: bomb the countries "that harbor them" back to the stone age.

This is usually the prelude to a neocon restructuring of the country's economy to make it into a rich source of corporate profits for those who made the bombs and decided where to drop them, and their good corporate buddies.

Of course, bombing is not mandatory -- sometimes coups and the installation of puppet regimes are good enough. The whole point is to build a global monopoly of money and power for the neocons, how one gets there is secondary. (Of course, bombing has the advantage of being an excellent way to siphon billions of taxpayer money into one's pockets).

The reason why the neocons and the Zionists prefer to "shock and awe" poor, much weaker, foreign countries, is that those who aren't killed or scared *, try to resist and retaliate, thus bolstering the aggressors' claim that they are fighting "terrorism" and "hate", without in any way posing a real danger to their corporate or strategic interests.

True believers back in the Homeland, blinded by fear and loathing, support the most appalling crimes and abuses committed by their governments, sometimes regretfully, but without questioning their necessity. (It reminds me of the Israeli "shoot and cry syndrome", also expressed by Golda Meir in her immortal cry of the anguished mass murderer:

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"We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours."
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Which begs the question: can you forgive us for stealing our land and building Jewish-only towns and cities on it, connected by Jewish-only roads? Can you forgive us for stealing our water and using it to landscape your gardens and fill your swimming pools, while we barely have enough to drink? Can you forgive us for destroying our agricultural lands, and bulldozing our olive groves and fruit orchards? Can you forgive us for imprisoning and torturing our children? Can you forgive us for putting us in concentration camps? Can you forgive us for stealing our money and starving us? Can you forgive us for sending your armed settlers to shoot at us and our families, for terrorizing us in our own homes?

So much to forgive. The crimes of the Palestinians are indeed unforgivable.

Back to our subject of "Islamo-fascists": Mind you, it has not always been easy to find real Arab terrorists, thus the remarkably high number of Jamaican, Puerto Rican and African-American "converts" and British Pakistanis, not to mention entirely fictionalized fabrications such as "Osama bin Laden" (who's probably been dead for at least 4 years) and the "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi" holograph.

Just so we're on the same page, I define the term "Zionist" as someone who is convinced that the maintenance and expansion of the state of Israel are of greater value and importance than the human and legal rights of non-Jews, and who believes that the state of Israel should not be forcibly subjected to any limitations related to morality, decency and international law.

Such beliefs are not always spelled out, but that is the essence, once all the pretty words and self-righteous arguments are boiled down.

As for the term "neoconservatism", I consider it to be almost indistinguishable from Zionism, with the United States replacing Israel, with a similarly exclusivist, mystical view of the State, transcending any moral or legal considerations.

One distinction between the two, is while Zionism perceives corporate expansion as one means to serve the State, neoconservatism perceives unfettered corporate expansion as a primary goal, the State's role being primarily to facilitate and promote this goal, even at the expense of the State itself.

It's not surprising that both are very popular with religious fanatics and xenophic "patriots", particularly the most ignorant and/or those who view the world exclusively through the corporate media lens. In addition, of course, to those fortunate few who rake in the cash or otherwise benefit, and whose influence far outweighs their tiny numbers.

DE, as for Israel being a "disposable outpost" of the NWO, the facts do not bear this out. You may disagree that Zionist thought and loyalty to Israel permeate decision-making at the highest government and corporate levels in the US, but there are many persuasive examples, including the thinkers who wrote "A Clean Break" for Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and then could be found busily formulating US foreign policy from their lofty perches in the White House a few years later.

And I don't see how you can deny that so many other measures defined by Israeli thinkers as "vital to Israel's interests and objectives", are later re-packaged and implemented as US foreign policy. One example of this being the documented Zionist goal to divide Iraq into three separate regions along ethnic lines.

Lo and behold, millions of Iraqi corpses later (don't forget the decade of sanctions that killed at least 1.5 million Iraqis, 500,000 of them children, and the now estimated 655,000 directly attributed to the US illegal invasion), not to mention almost 3,000 dead US troops, the very latest idea coming out of influential think-tanks is that maybe the best solution to the "Iraqi quagmire" is, drumroll, to divide Iraq into three separate regions along ethnic lines... Talk about deja-vu.


Don't forget the pipeline or the holocaust against the black moustaches.