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 Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: Anyone see Tommy Sheridan on Glasgow BBC Question Time? |
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the audience were very anti government. really laughing at suggestions that we have a democracy & a free press.
you could see frustration on the face of vera baird qc (who, incidently, called me a 'nutter' for suggesting that the cia did 911).
clive anderson was quite funny and made a couple of good points. the tory looked genuinely surprised at the audience reactions.
tommy sheridan really laid into murdoch and nicola sturgeon was as dodgy as they come.
dimbleby did his usual best to skip interesting audience comments.
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Missed it, but noticed the one on BBC online which was in Glasgow. Is this the one you talk about?
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah it's the one from Glasgow. Even with all the recent stuff that nobody really cares about with Sheridan, I still think he's the man  I thought Nicola Sturgeon was bringing up good points too.
It is frustrating when they skip points like the one about the UK only being in Iraq because America was there and because of the oil. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought about watching it but I had some paint drying so it was no contest. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsum wrote: | Yeah it's the one from Glasgow. Even with all the recent stuff that nobody really cares about with Sheridan, I still think he's the man I thought Nicola Sturgeon was bringing up good points too.
It is frustrating when they skip points like the one about the UK only being in Iraq because America was there and because of the oil. |
Yeah. When I used to watch it they would just ignore all the proper questions in favour of something utterly banal. They really do treat us like kids. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah I noticed Mr Dimbleby steering the questioning when a member of the audience mentioned the role of America and Oil in Iraq as well Gypsum. One of the worst things about Question Time though is the childish texts that accompany the show. You have morons texting in commenting on a certain panelists hair style or commenting on the ugliness of the studio audience. How insightful. The laughable thing is the BBC actually airs these stupid views while ignoring important points. I have to agree with Blackcat that Question Time is a total waste of time. Thats two for paint drying! |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Totally agree - Question time = MSM waste of time.
They edit anything pertinent or too near the bone.
Even before I awakened to 9-11 I recognised it for the horsesh1t it is.
Promotes false L-R paradigm and ignores the real questions.
As an aside, Last time I saw it, George Galloway was unshaven on it and looked close to a nervous breakdown (think it was 2-3 months ago around the time of the invasion of Lebanon.) Dr Liam Fox said "calm down George" as though it was a consultation in his pre-politics medical practice..
Idea for a programme - "Stock time." How about they put politicians, mainstream media and establishment clergy in the stocks. Tour UK cities, get the public to apply for free tickets and get to throw assorted vegetables at them. Dimbleby could still host it if he wanted. Would make the licence fee more attractive.
Sorry I'm going way off topic. Plus Channel 5 will probably steal the idea for their schedules....  |
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| gypsum wrote: | Yeah it's the one from Glasgow. Even with all the recent stuff that nobody really cares about with Sheridan, I still think he's the man I thought Nicola Sturgeon was bringing up good points too.
It is frustrating when they skip points like the one about the UK only being in Iraq because America was there and because of the oil. |
Tell me is that not the same sort of 'stuff' that had all you pinko's jumping up and down when the Tories were doing it? Of course it had a different name then - sleaze.
Sheridan didn't just do 'stuff.' He committed perjury. Just as well he had a bitter and twisted Jock jury who didn't need much persuasion that the 'Sassenach' press had no right to expose wur Tommy for the filthy fraud he so obviously is (shame the appeal's going to be heard in London).
And when the ol' swinger finds himself a million or so in the red before you're tempted to get your happy hour change out for the fighting fund think about the man and his party and ask yourself this question: why do either of them exist?
I'll put you of your misery now: to STOP Scotland being independent and socialist. |
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| Quote: | | Tell me is that not the same sort of 'stuff' that had all you pinko's jumping up and down when the Tories were doing it? |
The Tories are still doing it - they just call themselves "New" Labour that's all. When are you blueos going to realize you are still in power? It's nearly thirty years now that the crooks and liars have been running the show. |
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| Pincher, I like Sheridan because he's anti war, anti nuclear weapons and he wants independence for Scotland. I really couldn't care less if he went to that club. He won his case and if you think it was only because of a 'bitter and twisted jock jury' then that's your opinion. If he did lie then he'll pay for it, he'll go to jail. But I'm really only interested in the stuff that matters. Time will tell eh. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | Tell me is that not the same sort of 'stuff' that had all you pinko's jumping up and down when the Tories were doing it? |
The Tories are still doing it - they just call themselves "New" Labour that's all. When are you blueos going to realize you are still in power? It's nearly thirty years now that the crooks and liars have been running the show. |
Crooks and liars have ALWAYS run the show my macam mate (and always will). |
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| gypsum wrote: | | Pincher, I like Sheridan because he's anti war, anti nuclear weapons and he wants independence for Scotland. I really couldn't care less if he went to that club. He won his case and if you think it was only because of a 'bitter and twisted jock jury' then that's your opinion. If he did lie then he'll pay for it, he'll go to jail. But I'm really only interested in the stuff that matters. Time will tell eh. |
Wherever did you get that idea from? |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Are you kidding? Of course Sheridan wants independence! Do you think he doesn't?? |
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| Quote: | | Crooks and liars have ALWAYS run the show my macam mate (and always will). |
There are some periods that are worse than others and the years of Thatcher onwards have been extra special for the crooks and liars. It is "Makem" btw! |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| gypsum wrote: | | Are you kidding? Of course Sheridan wants independence! Do you think he doesn't?? |
You think Sheridan wants independence for Scotland in the same way perhaps that Martin McGuinness wants an independent and united Ireland?
I suggest you take a stroll through the foothills of 'Mount Doubt.' Let me show you the way.
http://martiningram.blogspot.com/search?q=J118&x=43&y=8
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | Crooks and liars have ALWAYS run the show my macam mate (and always will). |
There are some periods that are worse than others and the years of Thatcher onwards have been extra special for the crooks and liars. It is "Makem" btw! |
Thatcher was unpopular for her brutal honesty, not for her mendacity. She was an idealogue on a mission and she told it exactly like it was. Her one big fib of course was the arms for Iraq scandal.
That doesn't mean you have to like her politics... |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Pincher wrote: | | gypsum wrote: | | Are you kidding? Of course Sheridan wants independence! Do you think he doesn't?? |
You think Sheridan wants independence for Scotland in the same way perhaps that Martin McGuinness wants an independent and united Ireland?
I suggest you take a stroll through the foothills of 'Mount Doubt.' Let me show you the way.
http://martiningram.blogspot.com/search?q=J118&x=43&y=8
Remember sonny that it's the gobshite low lives that the spooks always go for... |
Riiight..ok, sonny, can you show me why it is that you think Sheridan doesn't want independence? You're the first person I've ever heard that seems to think otherwise. |
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scotland certainly has more democracy than us.
there is something which i believe is called 'the west lothian question':
scotland has its own (corruptly) overbudget parliament.
yet scottish mps still sit in the house of commons making decisions that don't affect their constituents.
of course blair would have lost loads of bills in the commons without the bribed scots & tories.
and scots now fill the front bench.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsum wrote: | | Pincher wrote: | | gypsum wrote: | | Are you kidding? Of course Sheridan wants independence! Do you think he doesn't?? |
You think Sheridan wants independence for Scotland in the same way perhaps that Martin McGuinness wants an independent and united Ireland?
I suggest you take a stroll through the foothills of 'Mount Doubt.' Let me show you the way.
http://martiningram.blogspot.com/search?q=J118&x=43&y=8
Remember sonny that it's the gobshite low lives that the spooks always go for... |
Riiight..ok, sonny, can you show me why it is that you think Sheridan doesn't want independence? You're the first person I've ever heard that seems to think otherwise. |
1) Nats are bourgeios, Billy Reekies - Sheridan is a Glaswegian, Timmy prol.
2) Neither the Labour Party nor the old Trot entryists, Militant (of which Sheridan was a member) never, ever favoured independence for Scotland.
3) The Socialist Labour Party (which spawned the Scottish Socialist Alliance and of which, again, Sheridan was a member) did not favour Scottish independence.
4) The SSA only requested 'greater autonomy' in Scotland not outright separation from the SLP.
5) The SSP splits the Nationalist vote in Scotland and has prevented the SNP making inroads in the industrial heartland even though the latter is now perceived as left of centre.
6) After his trial Sheridan himself accused sections of the SSP who did not back his libel action as being in cahoots with MI5 - AN ASTONISHING ACCUSATION. At the very least, this strongly indicates that the SSP has been penetrated by the spooks.
7) Sheridan's dominant personality, sexual decadence, disruptive, peripatetic political CV (Trotskyist, entryist & splitter) are big tick boxes for SS & SIS 'talent spotters.'
 Sheridan's spot of bother with the Screws suggests that he fell foul of his handlers. Sexual blackmail (in the UK at least) is the spook's favoured method of 'termination (which is why they pick dicks who can't keep their cocks in their pants).
Remember that most forms of dissent in liberal bourgeois democracies is controlled. And that most dissenting demogogues are either corrupt or narks. |
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| Quote: | | Thatcher was unpopular for her brutal honesty, not for her mendacity. She was an idealogue on a mission and she told it exactly like it was. |
She was as big a liar as any politician we have ever had but my point was that she unleashed within British politics an unbridled corruption and hypocrisy which dwarfed anything seen for generations. She lied us into a pointless war in the Falklands by sinking the Belgrano and on the basis of that campaign went from the least popular PM EVER according to polls, to an unlikely election victory. She ALWAYS claimed not to have an agenda for closing the mining industry while setting about its destruction and while pretending to be tough on Europe took us ever deeper into the European Union. She started the rot and Blair is her natural devious successor. Even natural patriotic Tories like McMillan and Heath could see her self serving treachery and how she was destroying society. She began the distortion of statistics to fiddle unemployment which is continued today. What a liar she was. |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | Thatcher was unpopular for her brutal honesty, not for her mendacity. She was an idealogue on a mission and she told it exactly like it was. |
She was as big a liar as any politician we have ever had but my point was that she unleashed within British politics an unbridled corruption and hypocrisy which dwarfed anything seen for generations. She lied us into a pointless war in the Falklands by sinking the Belgrano and on the basis of that campaign went from the least popular PM EVER according to polls, to an unlikely election victory. She ALWAYS claimed not to have an agenda for closing the mining industry while setting about its destruction and while pretending to be tough on Europe took us ever deeper into the European Union. She started the rot and Blair is her natural devious successor. Even natural patriotic Tories like McMillan and Heath could see her self serving treachery and how she was destroying society. She began the distortion of statistics to fiddle unemployment which is continued today. What a liar she was. |
Sorry chum, but you don't have a clue about the Malvinas and ergo you don't have a clue about the Thatcher Premiership. The Malvinas was a trap carefully laid by the CIA and MI6 for Thatcher to fall into. IT WAS A PLOT TO GET RID OF HER.
They had tried the same ruse six years earlier on Jim Callaghan but ol' Jim sent in the hunter killer subs and the Argies withdrew their 'scientists.' In view of what was to happen later it is not surprising that this incident is rarely revisited.
Malvinas was just one act in the CIA's great South American drama called 'Operation Condor.' The purpose of this offensive was to roll back Soviet influence in Uncle Sam's backyard by overthrowing left wing regimes and hobbling worker's movements in Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil etc.
The purpose of Malvinas II was to shore up the popularity of the Galtieri junta undermined both by economc recession and its policy of 'disappearing' thousands of the regimes opponents. With the CIA's assistance they whipped up a quite phoney nationalisam amongst the Peronists who got the masses out to back the invasion.
The CIA plan was that Lord Carrington would respond to the invasion through diplomacy at the UN (no doubt calculating that savage cuts to the fleet would prevent a military response) and that Argentina would be seen as the victor. SIS and SS hoped that Thatcher would then either be forced to resign and be replaced by a wet or would have to soldier on till the election where a new vigorous centrist party (the SPD) would emerge victorious and continue the policy of 'managed decline.
Blackcat, you are labouring under two MASSIVE misapprehensions. One is that the CIA only undermines commies and pinko's. Didn't you know that in the 60's they moved against three right wing administrations in Europe (France, Italy and Greece).
The second is that Thatcher was the face of the establishment. Even more wrong. The Grandees were against her, so were the mandarins and, as we have just seen, so were the spooks. Even captains of industry (particularly those whose firms were tied commercially to heavily subsidised state enterprises) were against her.
At the time of Malvinas II her monetarist experiment looked like it was on its last legs. The establishment moved against her because it wanted to close down the lab.
It was fortunate for Argentina that the plot failed. The junta was discredited and fell. Democracy was restored the disappearances ended and the generals thrown into jail.
You can't have it both ways Black Cat. If you opposed the Malvinas, you backed the Junta and the CIA. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You can't have it both ways Black Cat. If you opposed the Malvinas, you backed the Junta and the CIA. |
Ah - The George Bush doctrine of "you're either with us or you are with the terrorists".
I opposed the Falklands war and I did not back the Junta. If that confuses you that is your problem. Thatcher did however back the Junta and always did cosy to right wing mass murderers. As for the rest of your opinion stated as fact - I disagree. I believe the war could have been avoided but the unnecessary sinking of the Belgrano scuppered any peace moves and ensured a war. Thatcher wanted an adventure to gain support as she was failing so miserably at home. The Falklands war did the trick and all the flag waving morons turned to her as a hero. A few more state assets as bribes to her traditional opponents and several election victories were guaranteed. Now some want the c*nt to have a state funeral. I will be celebrating in a different way when she goes to hell. |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | You can't have it both ways Black Cat. If you opposed the Malvinas, you backed the Junta and the CIA. |
Ah - The George Bush doctrine of "you're either with us or you are with the terrorists".
I opposed the Falklands war and I did not back the Junta. If that confuses you that is your problem. Thatcher did however back the Junta and always did cosy to right wing mass murderers. As for the rest of your opinion stated as fact - I disagree. I believe the war could have been avoided but the unnecessary sinking of the Belgrano scuppered any peace moves and ensured a war. Thatcher wanted an adventure to gain support as she was failing so miserably at home. The Falklands war did the trick and all the flag waving morons turned to her as a hero. A few more state assets as bribes to her traditional opponents and several election victories were guaranteed. Now some want the c*nt to have a state funeral. I will be celebrating in a different way when she goes to hell. |
Like all pious pacifists you claim moral high ground that exists only in the imagination (like conscientious objectors in WWII who claimed they were anti Nazi). Liberal opponents of the Junta in Argentina called on liberal forces throughout the world to 'oppose Argentinian aggression' I notice that support for this position is curiously absent from your tracts.
Black Cat you pick and choose the conspiracies you wish to believe in. If the world is presented to you in any way which defies the old left/right paradigm you have a profound ontological crisis - like some latter day creationist when confronted with disturbing evidence of evolution.
Sorry to shatter your illusions you old dinosaur.
* For what it's worth current thinking supports the thesis that it was Sandy Woodward who requested permission to sink the Belgrano to avoid a pincer strike. But I accept * happens in war... |
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