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Please feel free to give reasons which ever way you decide to vote.
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| No. It's not a threat to anything but critical thinking. In that, it's in good company. |
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| It's a threat to my way of life. My way of life is largely dominated by technology and science. I use computers alot and like to play on the internet. Any and all attacks on science and the scientific method I view as dangerous and a threat to the future of humanity. |
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| Anti-sophist wrote: | | It's a threat to my way of life. My way of life is largely dominated by technology and science. I use computers alot and like to play on the internet. Any and all attacks on science and the scientific method I view as dangerous and a threat to the future of humanity. |
I think youre trying to mould society back into the same shape it was pre-9/11. How would you react if it all came out tomorrow that you were wrong and we were right?
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I believe that you being here on this website is a defence mechanism. It feels safer to be close to us and in your own badly fractured reasoning battling it out with us brings you peace. But when youre alone, none of it makes sense. It is in those moments that you secretly think that we may be right. The thing about the active critics of the 9/11 Truth movement is that you have already slipped halfway down the rabbit hole, you just dont know it, or you do but cant admit it to yourself.
These are some of the reasons why you are all experiencing mass confusion.
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Your opinion doesn't really matter to me, at all. Evidence and analysis impress me, not supposition. Your opinion seems to be based on no evidence, and even less expertise. |
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Your opinion doesn't really matter to me, at all. Evidence and analysis impress me, not supposition. Your opinion seems to be based on no evidence, and even less expertise. |
Why dont you form your own website?
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| Because the misguided who wander into this website may not find mine. The truth doesn't need to be confined to my website. |
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I mean it's quite obvious that we have all made up our minds about 9/11. Are you under some delusion that you might pull us back out of the rabbit hole to live in the same fantasy construct which you currently inhabit?
Realistically, it's not going to happen, now is it?
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| Anti-sophist wrote: | | Because the misguided who wander into this website may not find mine. The truth doesn't need to be confined to my website. |
Anti-sophist, this is a massive movement, do you not think that we may just be right? That latest american poll shows that you chaps are now in the minority. You are wasting your time here.
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The latest American poll doesn't show I am in the minority. You should try to distort fact a little less. I don't claim to see a poll about 9/11 being an "inside job" or "controlled demolition" being the majority.
Second of all, you've made up your minds, yes, but there are plenty of people who haven't. For every 1 of you that posts close-mindedly ignoring all the answers, there are 20 who read the conspiracy forums and never post a word.
I am here for those in search of answers. Those of you who claim to already have them all are a lost cause, I agree. |
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| prole art threat wrote: | I mean it's quite obvious that we have all made up our minds about 9/11. Are you under some delusion that you might pull us back out of the rabbit hole .....
Realistically, it's not going to happen, now is it? |
It happens. I've seen it happen.
Sometimes a person's critical faculties keep on working away in the background despite the "attractions" of 9/11 CT. Bits of logic and science nag away at the CT fantasy allowing in yet more logic and science. Eventually that person can recover from their temporary illness.
Probably not in your case though, as you don't seem to have any logic and science there at all.
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| prole art threat wrote: | | I believe that you being here on this website is a defence mechanism. |
Cuddles the big guy as he is here too.
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| Quote: | | Because the misguided who wander into this website may not find mine. |
And there you have it. The only reason these quislings are here is to prevent the truth of 9/11 from being spread. Why are they tolerated? Their express purpose for posting here is in direct contradiction to the aims of this site. Ban all the c*unts. |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | Because the misguided who wander into this website may not find mine. |
And there you have it. The only reason these quislings are here is to prevent the truth of 9/11 from being spread. Why are they tolerated? Their express purpose for posting here is in direct contradiction to the aims of this site. Ban all the c*unts. |
It is very clear that you and many of the "truthers" are not actually at all interested in the truth. You are interested only in reinforcing your personal beliefs, which cannot be defended by real evidence, science and logic. Your marked aggression to those questioning your beliefs is typical of the response of believers to heretics, not researchers to questioning. |
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| Quote: | | Your marked aggression to those questioning your beliefs is typical of the response of believers to heretics, not researchers to questioning. |
My aggression is not because my beliefs are questioned but because you and your kind are here to prevent the spread of truth by your repeated lies and distortions. This is completely counter to the aims of this forum. I do not for one moment believe that anyone who has looked into the 9/11 events can possibly believe the drivel served up by your kind but people can be delayed or put off investigating by your sordid tactics. You do not even believe the stuff you spout yourself. Nobody sentient could accept the dross you state as "science" or "expert". You are a blatant liar whose agenda is evil. Why you are tolerated here is the only mystery relating to 9/11. |
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The statements from the critics here are interesting
The impression is given that the "9/11 truth or scepticism" debate is some kind of level playing field for the hearts and minds of the people
"we can save people from delusion" "we can help people see the truth" and so on
The reality couldn’t be further from the truth
The sceptics are defending "The official story", a viral meme projected into the minds of the people at a moment of heightened vulnerability and stress with the kind of advertising money simply could not buy (so its quite helpful that the military industrial complex owns the media  )
This official story has every possible advantage for being held as the consensus truth any propaganda could ever have had in the whole of human history: it is a masterpiece of the technique, the pinnacle of achievement of an artform
And yet, it is falling apart, faster and faster and faster. Critics efforts here are entirely futile in stopping this collapse: the centre cannot hold. However the latest polling is "debated" the fact remains that only a tiny percentage still have no doubts whatsoever about the official story: the rest is simply how far along they are on the route to MIHOP. Mass consciousness has its own gravity... 9/11 truth activists are no longer shouted down and banned from discussion...they are met with interest and courtesy in their communities, not derision and scorn... there now exists the permission to question in the majority
An objective view then is that the critics position is unsustainable :it is sand sliding between the fingers
I call on them then to admit to themselves their own doubts: no-one has to believe in CD: and no-one should believe in "no Planes" (CIA fingerprints there ): but to allow authority to lie and deceive the people just a little bit is no longer OK: that was the old world. Lets all back the perspective of "pressfortruth" together and let everything else work itself out from there
Humanity is insisting on a new world with ever louder voices, and 9/11 truth is a symptom of that change: it is not the cause
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| Quote: | | And yet, it is falling apart, faster and faster and faster. Critics efforts here are entirely futile in stopping this collapse: the centre cannot hold |
Any day now, the end is near...
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| pepik wrote: | | Quote: | | And yet, it is falling apart, faster and faster and faster. Critics efforts here are entirely futile in stopping this collapse: the centre cannot hold |
Any day now, the end is near...
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Patience is a virtue 
Don't worry, 9/11 truth is plenty busy
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The sceptics are defending "The official story", a viral meme projected into the minds of the people at a moment of heightened vulnerability and stress with the kind of advertising money simply could not buy
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I can only assume you are being willfully ignorant when you persist in claiming that critics of the conspiracy theories support the official version. As far as we're concerned, and I don't think I'm being presumptious in speaking for all of us, the official story is irrelevant. We believe in the story that makes the most sense in light of the available evidence. We aren't moved by attempts to spice up the narrative by throwing unnecessary entities into the mix, such as thermite, cruise missiles, remote-controlled airplanes, etc.
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This official story has every possible advantage for being held as the consensus truth any propaganda could ever have had in the whole of human history: it is a masterpiece of the technique, the pinnacle of achievement of an artform
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And it has the advantage of being in complete agreement with the evidence. Funny how that worked out!
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And yet, it is falling apart, faster and faster and faster. Critics efforts here are entirely futile in stopping this collapse: the centre cannot hold. However the latest polling is "debated" the fact remains that only a tiny percentage still have no doubts whatsoever about the official story: the rest is simply how far along they are on the route to MIHOP. Mass consciousness has its own gravity...
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Truth isn't determined by popular vote. It's determined by what is actually real.
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No, opponents of these people are. That's why we doubt their sincerity when they say they just want to know the truth. If they REALLY wanted to know the truth, they would listen to all sides of the argument.
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they are met with interest and courtesy in their communities, not derision and scorn... there now exists the permission to question in the majority
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That permission has always been there in democratic societies. That permission does not extend to the freedom for all ideas to be accepted as equally valid, however.
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An objective view then is that the critics position is unsustainable :it is sand sliding between the fingers
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I don't think that is an objective view. This statement doesn't follow from your premise.
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I call on them then to admit to themselves their own doubts: no-one has to believe in CD: and no-one should believe in "no Planes" (CIA fingerprints there ): but to allow authority to lie and deceive the people just a little bit is no longer OK: that was the old world.
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I don't doubt that the US government has lied and deceived -- in some cases (such as the failed search for WMD in Iraq), it's lied to and deceived itself. However, it doesn't follow that we must therefore automatically reject everything the government says.
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Lets all back the perspective of "pressfortruth" together and let everything else work itself out from there
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That is why the "truth" movement is doomed to fail. No one really takes positive steps to change anything. They just bark loudly, run back to their kennels, and wait for the change to spontaneously occur. In the meantime, they piss off a lot of people who ARE trying to make the world a better place, such as the firemen who supposedly followed Larry Silverstein's orders to maliciously destroy his own burning, heavily damaged building.
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If it's a symptom of anything, it's that of a failing education system.
We have had large-scale movements in the past, such as anti-war movements in the 60's and anti-nuclear movements in the 80's, but these were conceived of and run by people who were educated and were able to put some meat into their arguments. The social movements of today are pathetic by comparison. |
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| aggle-rithm wrote: | | John White wrote: |
The sceptics are defending "The official story", a viral meme projected into the minds of the people at a moment of heightened vulnerability and stress with the kind of advertising money simply could not buy
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I can only assume you are being willfully ignorant when you persist in claiming that critics of the conspiracy theories support the official version. As far as we're concerned, and I don't think I'm being presumptious in speaking for all of us, the official story is irrelevant. We believe in the story that makes the most sense in light of the available evidence. We aren't moved by attempts to spice up the narrative by throwing unnecessary entities into the mix, such as thermite, cruise missiles, remote-controlled airplanes, etc. |
Well critics are leaving us somewhat in the dark, arnt they? Kindly clarify where you disagree with the official 9/11 story. Feel free to use a thread
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This official story has every possible advantage for being held as the consensus truth any propaganda could ever have had in the whole of human history: it is a masterpiece of the technique, the pinnacle of achievement of an artform
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And it has the advantage of being in complete agreement with the evidence. Funny how that worked out! |
Er yes it is... very funny...as an apparent contradiction of your first paragraph. CT thinking there.
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And yet, it is falling apart, faster and faster and faster. Critics efforts here are entirely futile in stopping this collapse: the centre cannot hold. However the latest polling is "debated" the fact remains that only a tiny percentage still have no doubts whatsoever about the official story: the rest is simply how far along they are on the route to MIHOP. Mass consciousness has its own gravity...
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Truth isn't determined by popular vote. It's determined by what is actually real. |
Excellent, you understand why the official story is collapsing
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No, opponents of these people are. That's why we doubt their sincerity when they say they just want to know the truth. If they REALLY wanted to know the truth, they would listen to all sides of the argument. |
Obviously. True communication is helped enourmously when it is mutually reciprocated. SOG is the best the critics have got in that regard
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they are met with interest and courtesy in their communities, not derision and scorn... there now exists the permission to question in the majority
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That permission has always been there in democratic societies. That permission does not extend to the freedom for all ideas to be accepted as equally valid, however. |
Theres a difference between a theoretical permission and an actual permission, where group think is concerned. To not embrace that perspective can only give flawed understanding
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An objective view then is that the critics position is unsustainable :it is sand sliding between the fingers
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I don't think that is an objective view. This statement doesn't follow from your premise. |
Oh yes it does. The polling evidance is conclusive : ever increasing numbers are not accepting the offical story as the complete truth
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I call on them then to admit to themselves their own doubts: no-one has to believe in CD: and no-one should believe in "no Planes" (CIA fingerprints there ): but to allow authority to lie and deceive the people just a little bit is no longer OK: that was the old world.
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I don't doubt that the US government has lied and deceived -- in some cases (such as the failed search for WMD in Iraq), it's lied to and deceived itself. However, it doesn't follow that we must therefore automatically reject everything the government says. |
Or accept it. The real message is to get off our butts and take our responsibility to democracy seriously: constant scrutiny, as the founding fathers urged
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That is why the "truth" movement is doomed to fail. No one really takes positive steps to change anything. They just bark loudly, run back to their kennels, and wait for the change to spontaneously occur. In the meantime, they piss off a lot of people who ARE trying to make the world a better place, such as the firemen who supposedly followed Larry Silverstein's orders to maliciously destroy his own burning, heavily damaged building. [.quote]
Before there can be change, there has to be the understanding that there needs to be change. No government of any form survives when the people do not believe its statements: historical fact. "Truth is the enemy of the lie, and therefore the enemy of the state": Goering. He knew what he was talking about!
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Humanity is insisting on a new world with ever louder voices, and 9/11 truth is a symptom of that change: it is not the cause
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If it's a symptom of anything, it's that of a failing education system.
We have had large-scale movements in the past, such as anti-war movements in the 60's and anti-nuclear movements in the 80's, but these were conceived of and run by people who were educated and were able to put some meat into their arguments. The social movements of today are pathetic by comparison. |
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OK, so you believe we are more pathetic than our forefathers and therefore unable to affect our world? No wonder you cling to "Big Daddy"!
unless you can demonstrate you are not?
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| Quote: | | That is why the "truth" movement is doomed to fail. No one really takes positive steps to change anything. They just bark loudly, run back to their kennels, and wait for the change to spontaneously occur. |
Yeah yeah yeah... and the reason you bother posting here is??? We are making no difference and we reflect a sub-standard education so you have nothing to fear from this movement so you post here because...????
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The same firemen who cheered Alex Jones and the truthers who gathered at this year's 9/11 memorial?? Maybe they didn't actually gather there, as we have it from no lesser educated elite than yourself that the movement doesn't do anything. It is typical of the disinformation you spread that you attempt to link the 9/11 truthers with "pissing off" firemen and suggesting we say THEY did Silverstein's dirty work. Distortion and lies again! |
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Well critics are leaving us somewhat in the dark, arnt they? Kindly clarify where you disagree with the official 9/11 story. Feel free to use a thread
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Why does it have to disagree? That presupposes that the official version is flawed, and therefore any independently arrived-at theory will necessarily be at odds with it.
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Er yes it is... very funny...as an apparent contradiction of your first paragraph. CT thinking there.
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Only if you embrace the circular thinking described above.
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Excellent, you understand why the official story is collapsing
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What do you mean by "collapsing"? You mean fewer and fewer people agree with it? How could the opinions of these people cause an argument to collapse?
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I don't think that is an objective view. This statement doesn't follow from your premise. |
Oh yes it does. The polling evidance is conclusive : ever increasing numbers are not accepting the offical story as the complete truth
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Yes, but once again, increasing numbers don't determine the fabric of reality. Once again you are equating "people disagreeing with the theory" with "the theory is invalid". You're a smart guy. Don't you see the fallacy here?
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OK, so you believe we are more pathetic than our forefathers and therefore unable to affect our world? No wonder you cling to "Big Daddy"!
unless you can demonstrate you are not? |
No, I believe you are unable to affect our world because you don't do anything productive. You just try to cast doubt on the work of people who ARE productive and are using their hard-earned expertise trying to answer questions you claim to want answered. You as a movement do this without understanding, or even trying to understand, how the the experts come to their conclusions. |
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Well I post here becuase the critics represent the most stubborn and relcatriant minds defending the offical story I can find, so I find debating in critics corner extremely useful training which makes levering other minds on other forums etc an absolute doddle
I've stated this before, critics are a valuable resource: Thanks
(as the failure to refute the Jersey Girls info has shown, pure gold being put to very good use )
Of course you can object to my reasoning there, but its not going to stop critics coming, is it?
After all, some of you are on a personal mission to "save us all"
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| aggle-rithm wrote: | | John White wrote: |
Well critics are leaving us somewhat in the dark, arnt they? Kindly clarify where you disagree with the official 9/11 story. Feel free to use a thread
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Why does it have to disagree? That presupposes that the official version is flawed, and therefore any independently arrived-at theory will necessarily be at odds with it. |
Ok, so actually you accept the official story hookline and sinker: your interest in "questioning it" is actually in proving it. if that wasnt the case, you'd be willing and able to display some convergence from it, somewhere
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Er yes it is... very funny...as an apparent contradiction of your first paragraph. CT thinking there.
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Only if you embrace the circular thinking described above. |
It was your circular thinking aggle-rythm: I meerly described it back to you
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Truth isn't determined by popular vote. It's determined by what is actually real. |
Excellent, you understand why the official story is collapsing
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What do you mean by "collapsing"? You mean fewer and fewer people agree with it? How could the opinions of these people cause an argument to collapse? |
This might come as a shock, but when people don't believe in the validity of a POV it loses its power to influence the world: even if you personally hold it as Gospel
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I don't think that is an objective view. This statement doesn't follow from your premise. |
Oh yes it does. The polling evidance is conclusive : ever increasing numbers are not accepting the offical story as the complete truth
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Yes, but once again, increasing numbers don't determine the fabric of reality. Once again you are equating "people disagreeing with the theory" with "the theory is invalid". You're a smart guy. Don't you see the fallacy here? |
Thanks for the intelligence compliment, respect from opponents always aprreciated. Other than that, kind of dealt with already
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OK, so you believe we are more pathetic than our forefathers and therefore unable to affect our world? No wonder you cling to "Big Daddy"!
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No, I believe you are unable to affect our world because you don't do anything productive. You just try to cast doubt on the work of people who ARE productive and are using their hard-earned expertise trying to answer questions you claim to want answered. You as a movement do this without understanding, or even trying to understand, how the the experts come to their conclusions. |
Weve discussed experts before. The difference in our approaches is my interest is in communicating with blokes having a pint down the pub watching the England game: becuase thats where the real power lies. If that wasnt the case, propoganda would never have been needed
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| Quote: | | but when people don't believe in the validity of a POV it loses its power to influence the world |
You are right, when people stop believing in someting, it loses power. Conversely, when people start believing in something, it gains power.
Looking back through history, we have seen lots of beliefs gain power. The hysteria surrounding the Black Plague led to jewish massacres across Europe. Anti-Jewish riots swept southern Imperial Russia in 1881-1884, after Jews were wrongly blamed for the assassination of Tsar Alexander II. Polls would have showed that "growing numbers" of people rejected the official version of what was causing the black plague and who was responsible for the assassinatino of the Tsar.
And today if you do a google search on mossad you get a wikipedia listing, the mossad homepage, and then page after page of conspiracy theory websites linking jews to terrorism and 911. A growing number of people reject the official story and are looking for the jewish connection.
I don't want to be apart of every "growing movement". Thanks but no thanks. |
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| pepik wrote: | | Quote: | | but when people don't believe in the validity of a POV it loses its power to influence the world |
You are right, when people stop believing in someting, it loses power. Conversely, when people start believing in something, it gains power.
Looking back through history, we have seen lots of beliefs gain power. The hysteria surrounding the Black Plague led to jewish massacres across Europe. Anti-Jewish riots swept southern Imperial Russia in 1881-1884, after Jews were wrongly blamed for the assassination of Tsar Alexander II. Polls would have showed that "growing numbers" of people rejected the official version of what was causing the black plague and who was responsible for the assassinatino of the Tsar.
And today if you do a google search on mossad you get a wikipedia listing, the mossad homepage, and then page after page of conspiracy theory websites linking jews to terrorism and 911. A growing number of people reject the official story and are looking for the jewish connection.
I don't want to be apart of every "growing movement". Thanks but no thanks. |
This also concerns me, this means one of 2 things therefore
a) Jews or Zionists or both are the spawn of Satan or
b) Someone is injecting false propaganda to save their hides or divert attention.
and as the Jews are the scapegoat for most people throughout history I'd say it is probably the later of the 2
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Oh boy, now theres a whole can of worms. I'd love to delve into it but seriously gulp at the time investment involved. I'm also not sure that critics are ready for the hoopy world of COINTELPRO
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| pepik wrote: | | Quote: | | but when people don't believe in the validity of a POV it loses its power to influence the world |
You are right, when people stop believing in someting, it loses power. Conversely, when people start believing in something, it gains power.
Looking back through history, we have seen lots of beliefs gain power. The hysteria surrounding the Black Plague led to jewish massacres across Europe. Anti-Jewish riots swept southern Imperial Russia in 1881-1884, after Jews were wrongly blamed for the assassination of Tsar Alexander II. Polls would have showed that "growing numbers" of people rejected the official version of what was causing the black plague and who was responsible for the assassinatino of the Tsar.
And today if you do a google search on mossad you get a wikipedia listing, the mossad homepage, and then page after page of conspiracy theory websites linking jews to terrorism and 911. A growing number of people reject the official story and are looking for the jewish connection.
I don't want to be apart of every "growing movement". Thanks but no thanks. |
Oh dear oh dear. Linking the 911 Truth campaign and anti-jewish pogroms and then confusing jewish people with zionists all in one fell swoop.
Is it really time to push the panic button already? |
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