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| blackcat wrote: | | Where are the admins? The trolls come here to do nothing more than undermine and are not keeping to their sewer. I try to avoid their drivel and now they invade general threads! The price of tolerating them being here at all? Ban them and we won't have to put up with shi*e like anti-sophist. |
Have sympathy  He is a JREFer. He is also a massive hypocrite. JREF education really must be poor. 
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| Quote: | | If you ban the critics this board will die, either of boredom or of in-fighting amongst you Truthers |
Since that would suit your agenda perfectly why don't you just f*uck off and let it happen then. |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | If you ban the critics this board will die, either of boredom or of in-fighting amongst you Truthers |
Since that would suit your agenda perfectly why don't you just f*uck off and let it happen then. |
Blackcat is the most fabulous value. She lurches about swearing and cursing at anything that upsets her simply because things do not suit.
What she doesn't even remotely comprehend is that here she is attempting to rid the world of a regime that attempts to control and dictate. Yet she wants everyone to adopt her mentality, think like her, be like her and if you don't like it then f*uck (?) off. So the difference between her and them is?
Blackcat my old lovey, you are no better than the people you wish to get rid of. Try to relax, everyone is entitled to their opinion, so give your caravan a good clean, have a nice glass of soya milk and just accept things as they are.
Your local health shop will supply a nice non-addictive supplement to help you relax.
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| Quote: | | She lurches about swearing and cursing at anything that upsets her simply because things do not suit. |
In fact I curse those who support the mass murderers and am happy to admit I do. That is a far cry from wanting everyone to agree with me as well you know, but it is Interesting you come to the defence of one of them - without answering my question of course. Why bother coming here if you help keep it alive when what you seek is its demise? As usual you post adolescent attempts at humour to attack me rather than sticking to the point. You aren't even honest enough to be openly a shill but pretend to be with the truth movement. What a jerk. |
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telecasterisation
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | She lurches about swearing and cursing at anything that upsets her simply because things do not suit. |
In fact I curse those who support the mass murderers and am happy to admit I do. That is a far cry from wanting everyone to agree with me as well you know, but it is Interesting you come to the defence of one of them - without answering my question of course. Why bother coming here if you help keep it alive when what you seek is its demise? As usual you post adolescent attempts at humour to attack me rather than sticking to the point. You aren't even honest enough to be openly a shill but pretend to be with the truth movement. What a jerk. |
Defence - say what? There is nothing in my post that remotely hints at any defending type stuff.
You are unquestionably the most paranoid individual I have encountered via this type of genre. You scream 'shill' and 'troll' at every turn, assuming you ever married, I bet your husband is driven mad by your inane whining and potty mouth.
And for your erudite information;
| Quote: | | Since that would suit your agenda perfectly why don't you just f*uck off and let it happen then. |
Is a statement not a question (note the lack of question mark), so I avoided nothing.
Keep up sweetheart.
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| blackcat wrote: | | Where are the admins? The trolls come here to do nothing more than undermine and are not keeping to their sewer. I try to avoid their drivel and now they invade general threads! The price of tolerating them being here at all? Ban them and we won't have to put up with shi*e like anti-sophist. |
Yes they do - all of the admins are volunteers. I have spent most of today re-designing and printing 100 copies of a poster to go OUT ON THE STREETS. So THAT'S where one of the Moderators has been (I'm not an admin).
I also have work to mark and a report to write - so I can earn a living (of sorts).
If people start threads entitled "Debunk this" then what the heck to they expect? I think it's called "Troll baiting".
Why not just NOT post anything and save EVERYONE's time.
Sorry if I am being grumpy, but please think about this angle.
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| Quote: | | Why bother coming here if you help keep it alive when what you seek is its demise? |
Who cares if it lives or dies? Its not going anywhere. |
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bs. You admitted to not being an expert on FDR issues not so long back, so what makes you the expert which you are not, all of a sudden?.
You as a person are now debunked, rumbled, caught out. |
I said I wasn't an expert on a very specific claim about extracting and reconstructing the data. However, I _am_ an expert on flight data recorders. There is a big difference between recording and retrieving data, and actually analyzing it, ex post facto.
I only worked on flight-data acquisition professionally. I am far more of an "expert" than any of CTers who claim to be able to interpret this data. I, unlike your CT-friends, know when my knowledge runs out, and point out the correct place to go to get those answers. Your CT friends can't even figure out what the data is actually telling them, let alone going on to be able to actually based analysis on the data.
Anyway, the knowledge I do have on this issue, from working with these as an engineer, I am able to easily debunk silly conspiracy theorists who don't understand the electroncs, at all. |
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| Anti-sophist wrote: | | Anyways, the issue has been thoroughly debunked. The evidence has been presented, and no one has attacked my analysis. . |
As A-S still ignores the issue. You havent debunked anything. You showed how there is a "possible" fractions of a second delay in tabulating a csv file. That doesnt account for the fact that you need almost 6 seconds delay based on current trends to not disturb your theory. You still havent addressed the animation, which is based on the FDR, Radar and ATC data.. .not the csv file. Although...the csv file matches (which makes sense... considering EXPERTS at the NTSB produced this information... something A-S continues failing to grasp). So, who is more of an expert.. the NTSB? Or some guy on the internet from JREF? A-S, you are insulting the experts and professionals at the NTSB, Boeing and Lockheed.
I love it... the JREFers now have to debunk reports and data from a govt agency.. talk about denial...lol
A-S, what are you guys going to do when the NIST finds evidence of explosives in the WTC debris? Tell us it was there since the American Revolution?
Basically.. A-S is using spin and big words to try and confuse the viewer, and then saying "It been thoroughly debunked" over and over. The fact is he is trying to debunk a piece that came from experts who work with Flight Data Recorders and produce animations and information based on these recorders regularly. These re-productions are used in training classes at various airlines throughout the WORLD. They HAVE to be accurate. Lives depend on it. |
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| Serge wrote: | | Anti-sophist wrote: | Bring up some science, and watch the personal insults fly. The CT-way.
Anyways, the issue has been thoroughly debunked. The evidence has been presented, and no one has attacked my analysis. Instead, you've attacked me.. called me a fraud, etc. When you guys get educated about the issue, and want to discuss the matter further, I will be easy to find.
As usual, the CTers are more interested in discrediting the PEOPLE who disagree with them, ignoring the simple analysis that debunks their delusions. |
bs. You admitted to not being an expert on FDR issues not so long back, so what makes you the expert which you are not, all of a sudden?.
You as a person are now debunked, rumbled, caught out. |
You guys have to check out the multiple "JDX" and "JohndoeX" bash fest threads over at JREF, loaded with many many pages of text. Some of their members even have avatars that say "The JDX Fan Club". lol
A-S should bring his advice over to JREF. |
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| Quote: | | Since that would suit your agenda perfectly why don't you just f*uck off and let it happen then. |
Is a question and anyone with half a brain would know it. Your attack on me was the defence of the trolls you claim to have not defended, but of course you know that. Just to confuse you I will omit the full-stop at the end of this sentence so there will be nothing to reply to as I have made no statement |
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| Anti-sophist wrote: | | Serge wrote: |
bs. You admitted to not being an expert on FDR issues not so long back, so what makes you the expert which you are not, all of a sudden?.
You as a person are now debunked, rumbled, caught out. |
I said I wasn't an expert on a very specific claim about extracting and reconstructing the data. However, I _am_ an expert on flight data recorders. There is a big difference between recording and retrieving data, and actually analyzing it, ex post facto.
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Ok.. so you're not an expert on extracting and reconstructing the data. You say you are an expert on FDR's. You say that the FDR has no errors. But your whole "debunk" is based on the reconstruction? A-S, you make no sense, your spin is now just plain annoying, and it seems you are trying to use any excuse possible as to not disrupt your belief in the official govt story.
You have insulted the professionals at the NTSB, Boeing and Lockheed. Enough said.
Our report will be out. Be patient.
Have fun with this guy UK Truthers. You have a good grasp on what he is about.
Be sure to sign up over at www.forums.pilotsfor911truth.org for our latest. Its not just for pilots.
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By the way.. A-S's failed attempt at a "debunk" only accounts for altitude and perhaps vertical acceleration (in which, he himself says you need 3 G's to level out from that dive.. which is never recorded... pssst.. A-S, have you figured out the gradient of the lawn? I have.. )
A-S still has to account for the flight path.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Q8nSEeUec
Get to work A-S...
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| johndoex wrote: | | Anti-sophist wrote: | | Serge wrote: |
bs. You admitted to not being an expert on FDR issues not so long back, so what makes you the expert which you are not, all of a sudden?.
You as a person are now debunked, rumbled, caught out. |
I said I wasn't an expert on a very specific claim about extracting and reconstructing the data. However, I _am_ an expert on flight data recorders. There is a big difference between recording and retrieving data, and actually analyzing it, ex post facto.
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Ok.. so you're not an expert on extracting and reconstructing the data. You say you are an expert on FDR's. You say that the FDR has no errors. But your whole "debunk" is based on the reconstruction? A-S, you make no sense, your spin is now just plain annoying, and it seems you are trying to use any excuse possible as to not disrupt your belief in the official govt story.
You have insulted the professionals at the NTSB, Boeing and Lockheed. Enough said.
Our report will be out. Be patient.
Have fun with this guy UK Truthers. You have a good grasp on what he is about.
Be sure to sign up over at www.forums.pilotsfor911truth.org for our latest. Its not just for pilots.
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Thanks JDX - I have browsed your excellent site many times recently (it's where I discovered Kevin Ryan's devastating critique of the ASCE/FEMA BPAT/ Silverstein/NIST reports and posted it here also).
I had been under the impression it was mainly for aviation professionals, but now that you have clarified my mistake and extended your invitation I'd be pleased to register.
Keep up the good work - it is worth it. |
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Jay Ref
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | You tried to come here and discuss the FDR allegedly found at the Pentagon.
But you did not succeed my friend.
You are a fraud in my book.
Pure and simply a fraud.
This is my last post to you. |
Mark,
Your "chap who got his info from the NTSB" is well known to us critics. He is a guy who has been faking credentials to make folks believe he is a commercial ATP license holder. He is not.
Although his info is actually from the NTSB and the FDR data is genuine; he got his terrain elevation info from Google Earth. Google Earth has errors. In this case the actual terrain elevation figures are wrong. This skews the FDR data.
This error has been pointed out repeatedly; but like most CTers John Doe has latched onto a "fact" that's just too good to let go of just because it's wrong. As we see, he continues to repeat the same erroneous figures long after he knows they're wrong. He began by making an honest mistake...but now he's just a liar. Another lie to add to his fake creds as an airline pilot.
But for the sake of argument let's say he's got a point. GoogleEarth gets it right and the FDR data shows this aircraft could not have hit the PNG. It begs the question; what did? What took out the poles had to have a wingspan equal to that of a 757. What hit the PNG left bodies identified by DNA as the passengers of AA77. It left 757 parts. Also, eyewitnesses saw the plane hit...they did not see a plane miss and fly away.
John Doe's presentation does not offer any cohesive explaination of what could possibly have left this damage, parts, and bodies. All his info says is that flight 77 missed the PNG by about 400 ft. It's bullsh!t, plain and simple. It's a fine story, and he tells it so well...but on even cursory examination it makes no sense, and explains nothing....much like the entire 9/11 Truth Movement.
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Yes I think I'll register there as well. Looks pretty active considering it's so new. Good luck.
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Jay Ref
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | Yes I think I'll register there as well. Looks pretty active considering it's so new. Good luck. |
You'd make a great addition to that site.
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | Yes I think I'll register there as well. Looks pretty active considering it's so new. |
That's because it's filled with refugees from the original Loose Change forum after JohndoeX engineered its total implosion. |
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Jay Ref
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | Patrick Brown wrote: | | Yes I think I'll register there as well. Looks pretty active considering it's so new. |
That's because it's filled with refugees from the original Loose Change forum after JohndoeX engineered its total implosion. |
I do wonder why our friendly "pilot-for-trooth" doesn't just take all his expert analysis over to PPRUNE, or airdisaster.com?? Maybe he's too sensitive to handle being called a moron by actual experts and actual pilots??
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lol.. Jay Ref should take some advice from A-S. Sounds like he is one within my fan club that will have a rude awakening when my name eventually goes public.
Anyway.. any trusted UK truthers are welcome to my credentials and ID. All the others know exactly who i am. Scholars For Truth, Vets For Truth.. etc.
The only thing some of these JREFers can hold onto is the fact they think im lying about my credentials because they cant debate the facts. I have told them they might be wise to wait before they make an ass out of themselves.. but oh well. Too late...
Anyway.. here is my abbreviated resume.
Over 20 years flying aircraft. Over 10 professionally. And 5 airline. I worked for Independence Air/ACA/Delta Connection. Was based Laguardia, Boston and Cincinatti. I have been a Chief pilot prior to that and worked for a part 135 carrier (Air Charter). My experience includes everything from a C-152 to light twins to King Air's to 727 with alot of my time in a Dornier 328JET (over 2000 hours). I have also flight instructed full time and soloed many students and taught people from off the street (no experience at all) to now they are professional pilots. My very first student i soloed is now working for American.
I am currently experiencing health problems and am a cancer survivor. I have grounded myself (The FAA did not ground me), until i can figure out what is going on with my health. I havent been flying in over a year and i miss it terribly. I am also struggling financially due to that fact i cannot work. I have poured all of my energy into 9/11 research. So, if anyone supports our research, please feel free to make a donation at pilotsfor911truth.org. Or, you can pick up one of the DVD packages that Sofia (of 9/11 Mysteries) was so generous to donate.
Eventually my full name will go public. For now, i would prefer to keep it on a personal level. Some of these JREFers are complete wackos and i really dont want ot have to deal with them at my door. Some seem obsessed with me (just check out how many threads they have on me). The only reason i can explain for this behavior is that i dont offer theory and that pisses them off. There are a few that seem to be professional over at JREF (TAM really impressed me actually), but others who just spew venom have even dragged down people such as TAM. Im also waiting for RedTail to sign up at forums.pilotsfor911truth.org to talk bikes and Tuskegee.
Anyway.. like i said.. anyone that comes over to our forums.. who i get to know.. will certainly be welcome to all of my information if they need it. I am transparent to those i trust.
Rob
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LOL! I take this moment to direct JDX to www.truthydoctors.com so that his health problems may be treated "naturally" with "cures they don't want you to know about"!!
Darwin knows best.
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I can't wait for jayreffersfortruth, but of course that would just be a
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| chek wrote: | I can't wait for jayreffersfortruth, but of course that would just be a
non-sequitur. |
When you're really about truth, reality, objectivity, empiricism, etc...you don't need to put "TRUTH" in the name.
It literally goes without saying.
But if you are about spreading lies...then you need to scream TRUTH!!! Kinda like these guys.
Or these guys.
Trooth is popular here too...
It seems to me that if you want to start a smear campaign the first thing you do is put: "TRUTH" somewhere in the name of your *ahem* "movement".
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| chek wrote: | I can't wait for jayreffersfortruth, but of course that would just be a
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I think you were trying to say "oxymoron", moron.
We already have a JREFersfortruth site:
http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64
edit: Of course, the "truth" part is implied. As Jay Ref observed above, when Truth is included in the name of the group, you can be certain it's lipstick on a pig. |
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| Quote: | | That doesnt account for the fact that you need almost 6 seconds delay based on current trends to not disturb your theory. |
You are absolutely right. My analysis is not sufficient, alone, to debunk the pressure altimeter differential. I admit this freely. It does, however, debunk all of your alternate analysis. That's why you keep going back to the pressure altitude.
The pressure altitude issue has been seperately debunked by just about everyone, including other CTers.
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You still havent addressed the animation, |
Yes I have, repeatedly.
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You admitted to not being an expert on FDR issues not so long back, so what makes you the expert which you are not, all of a sudden?.
You as a person are now debunked, rumbled, caught out. |
I am twice the expert you are. I have twice the qualifications for doing this work as you do. I wouldn't get up in court and testify that my analysis is complete. I'd be happy to get up in court and testify that your analysis is misfounded, wrong, incomplete, and far less complete than mine.
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You say that the FDR has no errors. |
That's not what I said.
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It makes perfect sense to those with the capacity and intellectual honesty to understand it. You probably don't understand general relativity. It doesn't make it wrong.
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I said 3 Gs under certain conditions. You asked how a plane diving at 4000fpm could go to 0fpm in 1 second. The answer is a 3G pullup. You never proved those numbers were actually correct, and I am positive that they are not. You did not account for the time-slip error in the altimeter nor the fact that CSV file runs out of data well before the actual crash-time. When you correct for those mistakes, you get an upper bound of close to 3 seconds for the pull-up to occur. That lowers the necessary G-Force down into the 1.66 range.
Furthermore, you have absolutely no proof that it got all the way to 0fpm descent. I'd consider that highly unlikely. Your "proof" is the single plane in the pentagon video. You'd need to calculate an accepetable upper and lower bound.. you can't just pretend the descent was 0.000000 fpm.
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You don't know that to be true. The weren't in the CSV file, to be sure, but as has been repeatingly proven, the CSV file doesn't contain the last 1-2 seconds of flight 77. When added with the altimeter time-slip error, that gives 3-4 (if you understood my analysis, you'd know how i got those numbers) seconds of missing data. If you understood how FDRs worked, you'd realize that the information you want happened after the CSV file stops.
You keep repeating the same tired arguments over and over. All of them have been dealt with, repeatedly. You clearly haven't read the paper, and you most certainly do not understand what it's saying. You claim that it's wrong, but you have absolutely no idea why. Every "debunking" of my paper contains the three sentences. The first one is something about "twisting words". The second one is something about "spin" and the last is something about JREF.
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Jay Ref
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With a hat tip to David James....
A rare pic of Johnny D at work.
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johndoex
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| Anti-sophist wrote: | | Quote: | | That doesnt account for the fact that you need almost 6 seconds delay based on current trends to not disturb your theory. |
You are absolutely right. My analysis is not sufficient, alone, to debunk the pressure altimeter differential. I admit this freely. It does, however, debunk all of your alternate analysis. That's why you keep going back to the pressure altitude.
The pressure altitude issue has been seperately debunked by just about everyone, including other CTers.
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LOL... my alternate analysis is a debunk of your very own Billzilla who used the same analysis with incorrect ground elevation. I just formed it into a proper presentation with correct ground elevations.. and you tried to debunk it...I dont base my analysis on it. Billzilla does. Looks like you debunked your very own team. Thanks! (look up Billzilla's analysis... its quite crude.. im glad you feel its debunked...lol)
As for pressure altitude, thanks for letting us know you admit you cannot debunk it.. because it cant be debunked. The NTSB didnt even offer an explanation in a side letter or offer one when we called. Now show us CT debunks of it.. i havent seen any... be sure to mail it to me when you do as i rarely get on this site and we wouldnt want you to be spreading just one side. Just because you say its there.. doesnt mean it is.
Now work on the flight path.
You constantly bring up the csv file only. That it is the only source of our information and interpretation. You are wrong. It is not. I dont know how many times i have to tell you that the animation IS NOT based off the csv file. It just so happens that it matches (well.. because professionals at the NTSB produced both... they accounted for errors as they do in every other animation they produce.. have you looked at the others i recommended?. I think they have a bit more experience than you.. or.. do you work for the NTSB?)
A-S.. your arguments are weak. UT has a really nice package he is putting together for you buddy. I see his work everyday in our FDR forum. He does have real life job and family, so forgive him if he doesnt get to you right away. I am also working on many things so email me when you post something and i'll get around to address it. Please post something stronger. Your argument is very weak.
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