EU : critical component of N W O plan

[HERA]

EU membership costs us, net, £115 million a week - money that would be better spent on transport, the environment or education.
The French and Dutch 'no' votes on the proposed EU constitution means that the EU is facing the possibility of collapse. Britain should now distance itself from this failed economic and political experiment.
While we remain a member of the EU, we run the risk of being dragged into further European integration, for example the euro.
Blair is attempting to surrender our veto on home affairs - the judicial system, police, immigration, border controls .. : the EU Constitution by the back door.
The British people have not had a chance to vote on EU membership. The 1975 referendum was simply whether we wished to remain a part of a trading partnership.
Petition : I want the UK to leave the European Union www.eurosceptic.org.uk/liberty

[mkpdavies]

I believe it is. The fact Blairs crony buddy Mandelson now runs trade for the whole of the EU, even though he was selected, not elected, says it all for me.

Sadly the resistance to this is splintered in this country. All of the 3 Troika parties support our membership of the crooks club.

There is www.speakout.co.uk which is just starting.

www.betteroffout.co.uk, which is the very few elected MPs who are willing to sacrifice their careers and stand up and be counted.

Sadly some people seem to think that the USA is the only evil in the world and that we need the EU to fight them. Personaly I think trying to fight evil, by copying evil is mad. The same people pulling the strings of the USA are desperate for an EU and other superblocks to be formed. Then they can play them off against each other and finally put world government up as the solution.

They even call is "the post democratic era".

[Disco_Destroyer]

I'd wonder if it's not Europe calling the shots to Washington! After all who tried so desperately to hide the knowledge of the CIA prisons/Flights??
I have it on record that an European Nutrality ie. Switzerland did just that! and most other countries were sheepish over the reports!
Also they must by now all know about 9/11 and still they carry on about their Corparate/Banking affairs as though nothing happened? I see a world in which the Elite are propping each other up for their own security

[Disco_Destroyer]

[conspiracy analyst]

[blackcat]

I just watched that lass who lost her parliamentary seat to Galloway on telly this morning - I can't remember her name. She reckons most Iraqis are grateful "we" removed Saddam and his tyranny. Whodathunk??!! The buggers have a peculiar way of showing it don't they.

[graphicequaliser]

Returning to a 1930's Britain is not going to help anyone out. Churchill was one of the first to suggest gassing the Kurds! Wise up - no politics is good politics. The concensus of groundswell opinion is that we do not need governing, especially by coked-up adulterous murdering liars, the likes of whom we are so used to. Opting out of the EU will not make a scrap of difference, if the money saved goes towards financing the new replacement Trident missile system everyone voted for at the last election (3.2 billion pounds, when we've already got one).

All politics is nonsense. History shows us how corrupt even the most democratic and independent-minded countries are. Are you suggesting that such an inept system, where I have no say about things like chemtrails and the proliferation of phone masts, is better than no system at all? This is just bunk.

[Patrick Brown]

The fact that politicians are blatantly seen to be 'in with buSINess' is simply indicative of the mess the world is in. Much more chance of confusion because of complexity yet even in the chaos we can see a pattern emerging. A pattern which involves taking away our liberty for an illusionary war on terror.

[graphicequaliser]

[Leiff]

Thanks for the links HERA and mkpdavies I am on board!

I just got a copy of Ten Minutes To Midnight from Amazon today - great synchronicity!

We deserve a chance to say NO to the EU!

[mkpdavies]

The more power you give the state, the more corrupt and unaccountable it is.

The USA is a case in point at the moment. Do we REALLY want to go down that route?

Read/watch 1984, which gives some chilling insite into how superblocks are nothing but bad for the world.

[iro]

by mad coincidence i just read this thread - and only yesterday i was at a meeting with peter mandleson. heres a paste of a thread i wrote about it over on illusions:



Mandelson came to speak in cardiff town hall on the European Union's 'Democracy and Debate' platform. An attempt to re-engage the EU after the failure of the constitution and the widespread opposition to the EU lately and fracture over the war on terror.

I attended along with a bout 500 welsh assembly members, cardiff postgrad and some undergrad students, uni faculty staff and a few general public for my own interest.

Mandelsons speech was buttressed by short speeches by some of my own professors and a debate afterwards in which i asked a question...more later..

His talk was incredibly boring- BUT he did reveal some incredible arrogance. The EU was trying to find out why people wanted to halt its progress, so he had come to listen. He said that they needed further integration to compete with America and China in line to becoming a true Superpower. They are planning to remake the constitution and push it through whatever way they can. He accounted for the backlash as irrational europe hatred and praised all the fine work they do in aid in africa and acting as markets for poor countries to sell their goods..... blah blah... he also nipped in a sly comment about referendums being worthless barometers of public opinion.....

Questions followed, and i had to wait until the end to ask mine - goaded on by all my colleagues who generally expect me to raise a debate.. so i asked him this:

'first of all i find it highly patronising and amusing to see the theme of this talk as 'D' for democracy and debate - when you are not elected mr Mandleson, nor are you peers on the entire EU commission or any of the executive power brokers and leaders of the EU. In fact, you were sacked twice from government.

Secondly, i find it sour grapes that you demean referendi as legitimate simply because you lost them! Referendums are the last remaining elements of true democracy in Europe, the only facility for the people to wield the knife directly in matters of policy - your dismissal of them is another startling blow for democracy - and again confusing baring in mind the title of this speech'

then i quickly added as he whinced to answer

'the reason the constitution failed was because the public dont want executive power to be consolidated in unelected hands in the EU - you are not addressing that issue - you are exacerbating it.'

he said i misunderstood him and babbled on about reenergising the constitution to address the concerns raised of it and acknowledged that europeans did not want a federal US style system and that would have to be shelved.



I am a postgrad research student at Cardiff university. That means i am working for my own credentials to do and say whatever the * i like as long as i do and say it properly - I.E> a license to print books till my hearts content and the right to present my research however i see fit in the classroom.

in that context I have to bite my tounge or risk having the tools for my future taken away from me. Most people on here think the system must be opposed at all times everywhere - well that is stupid. I am an activist and i believe in the total dissolution of the state structures and government...but there is a time and place for that and my university is not it. I am building with the tools i need there and i have no desire to be marginalised or attract hate there. I need my environment to be constructive.

(quotes from the other forum)