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Ignatz
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject:

chek wrote:

Ignatz wrote:

chek wrote:

*Yawn*

Keep fooling yourselves fellas.

But, on the basis of several photos and 2 films, are you happy to drop the idea of "isolated fires on a few floors" at WTC7 ?

Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure you will) but apart from mucho smokeo
I've only seen photos showing isolated and not exactly raging flames on two floors at most.

So are you suggesting that isolated fires on a few floors produced vast volumes of smoke that spread up and *only then* outwards?

And that the firefighters are all liars/shills/co-conspirators?

What exactly is your view on the nature of the fires at WTC7?
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject:

Patrick Brown wrote:

chipmunk stew wrote:

OMG!!!
Look how these towers collapse into their own footprints!!!!!!!!!
What are the chances!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BOMBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4907395579933896095&q=collaps e&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2365481426897092031&q=collapse &hl=en

And you have the nerve to call us idiots!

I've called one of you a moron (but only because I'd just used the word "oxymoron"), I've asked if you were out of your bloody mind, I've called some of your comments steaming piles of nonsense...but I don't think I've ever called any of you idiots.

The videos are silly, but the reason these towers didn't tip over is because there was no lateral force acting on them.

There was a small lateral force on 7, too (from uneven loading) causing it to list towards the south as it fell, but it wasn't enough to tip it over. The column failure that triggered the drop propagated through the remaining columns nearly instantaneously (as one would expect), so as it collapsed almost the entire force vector was straight down.

Here's another silly video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3562292537850683363&q=collapse &hl=en
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject:

chek wrote:

Patrick Brown wrote:

chipmunk stew wrote:

And you have the nerve to call us idiots!

And did you notice?
No planes!!!

They haven't merged the videos with the bluescreen images, yet. We're lucky we got our hands on these copies or they might have gotten away with it!
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject:

Ignatz wrote:

chek wrote:

Ignatz wrote:

chek wrote:

*Yawn*

Keep fooling yourselves fellas.

But, on the basis of several photos and 2 films, are you happy to drop the idea of "isolated fires on a few floors" at WTC7 ?

Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure you will) but apart from mucho smokeo
I've only seen photos showing isolated and not exactly raging flames on two floors at most.

I have no view - I'm sure the firemen told their story as they witnessed it. I've only seen photos of isolated fires, not any raging inferno like the
madrid hotel fire for instance.

Equally, given the loss of life of the firecrews earlier in the day, strangers brought in from outlying boroughs would also be perfect cover for any 'contractors' finishing up - though of course that's merely speculation.

But apart from that, a sh*tload of columns don't fail in exactly the right sequence to produce a CD like result by themselves.
That's what the Roberts Hypothesis fails to account for.
But I'm sure you all loved the Alex Jones hitpiece enough to forgive him that small but crucial detail.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject:

OK I've been reading some of the supposed eyewitness accounts that 'chipmunk stew' referred me to in this document: http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf in an attempt to convince me the official story is true!! His comment here: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=33466#33466

I cut 'n' pasted the eyewitness accounts from the document 'chimpmunk stew' promotes here: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=33498#33498

This account gives us some insight as radios are not working and the guy mentions that everything is “in complete disarray”.

Quote:

Chief Cruthers told me that they had formed another command post up on Chambers Street. At this point there were a couple of floors burning on Seven World Trade Center. Chief McNally wanted to try and put that fire out, and he was trying to coordinate with the command post up on Chambers Street. This is after searching for a while. He had me running back and forth trying to get companies to go into Seven World Trade Center. His radio didn't seem to be working right either because he had me relaying information back and forth and Chief Cruthers had me -

Q. So everything was face-to-face? Nothing was by radio?

A. Yeah, and it was really in disarray. It really was in complete disarray. We
never really got an operation going at Seven World Trade Center. –FDNY Captain
Michael Donovan
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110205.PDF

This shows that most of these eyewitness accounts are not in fact taken from eyewitness's. Who was this fire chief?:

Quote:

Building #7 was still actively burning and at that time we were advised by
a NYFD Chief that building #7 was burning out of control and imminent collapse was probable. –PAPD P.O. Edward McQuade http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-eports02.pdf page 48.

This sounds bogus as I'm sure nobody at the WTC was making jokes:

Quote:

"There's number Seven World Trade. That's the OEM bunker." We had a snicker about that. We looked over, and it's engulfed in flames and starting to collapse.
We're kind of caught in traffic and people and things, and everything's going on. We hear over the fire portable, "Everybody evacuate the site. It's going to collapse." Mark Steffens starts yelling, "Get out of here! Get out of here! Get out of here! We've got to go! We've got to go! It's going to collapse." I turned around, and I piped up real loud and said, "Stay in the * car. Roll the windows up. It's pancake collapsing. We'll be fine. The debris will quit and the cloud will come through. Just stay in the car." We pulled the car over, turned around and just watched it pancake. We had a dust cloud but nothing like it was before. –Paramedic Louis Cook
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110103.PDF

You can believe this one as any real eyewitness would be thinking about peoples lives especially firefighters. Saving buildings is secondary to saving lives it's their code.

Quote:

I remember Chief Hayden saying to me, "We have a six-story building over there, a seven-story building, fully involved." At that time he said, "7 has got fire on several floors." He said, "We've got a ten-story over there, another ten-story over there, a six-story over there, a 13-story over there." He just looked at me and said, "fek'em all. Let 'em burn." He said, "Just tell the guys to keep looking for guys. Just keep looking for the brothers. We've got people trapped. We've got to get them out." –Lieutenant William Ryan
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110117.PDF

This one is slightly strange in that the guy (could be a fire chief) and he says “a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.'”. Who are they?

Quote:

I walked around the building to get back to the command post and that's when they were waiting for 7 World Trade Center to come down. ...They had three floors of fire on three separate floors, probably 10, 11 and 15 it looked like, just burning merrily. It was pretty amazing, you know, it's the afternoon in lower Manhattan, a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.' –FDNY
Chief Thomas McCarthyhttp://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WT C_GRAPHIC/9110055.PDF

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

chek wrote:

So, to summarise, you "have no view" except that you've only seen isolated fires in CT site photos and that you're happy to speculate that firecrews covered up - inadvertentlyor otherwise - for demolition contractors?
Is that what you're saying?
Please be clear.
How did the smoke appear from the top floors, for example? Govt. agents planting a thousand smoke bombs to cover up the CD?
Were the firefighters ill-advised when many of them foresaw the collapse of WTC7? When they saw the building bowing and heard it creaking?
Was the "eyewitness" wrong about massive damage to the South face? And the firefighters who said the same?
Please be clear.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject:

Patrick Brown wrote:

Bravo - you've found 5 that you can nitpick.

Well done.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject:

Ignatz wrote:

Bravo - you've found 5 that you can nitpick.

Well done.

Those five were pretty much random selections!
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject:

Patrick Brown wrote:

Ignatz wrote:

Bravo - you've found 5 that you can nitpick.

Well done.

Those five were pretty much random selections!

And what do they amount to:

1. This account gives us some insight as radios are not working and the guy mentions that everything is “in complete disarray”.

Yes, the radios were a major complaint, the FDNY had lost 350 men in the worst disaster ever to hit New York, did you expect to see a quote that it was all going very well?

2. This shows that most of these eyewitness accounts are not in fact taken from eyewitness's. Who was this fire chief?:

No, it doesn't show anything of the sort. Why is it important what his name was?

3. This sounds bogus as I'm sure nobody at the WTC was making jokes:

That's your view, but people do joke in the face of disaster. All he adds anyway is that a call went out over the radio that collapse was imminent, others also say that.

4. You can believe this one as any real eyewitness would be thinking about peoples lives especially firefighters. Saving buildings is secondary to saving lives it's their code.

I am sure the firemen would be flattered that you are prepared to believe at least one of them. Rather ties up with Silverstein's comment, doesn't it?

5. This one is slightly strange in that the guy (could be a fire chief) and he says “a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.'”. Who are they?

"They" are obviously the men in the command post he went to. Nothing strange about that.

Not very successful nit-picking really, I'm afraid.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject:

Bushwacker wrote:

Patrick Brown wrote:

Ignatz wrote:

Bravo - you've found 5 that you can nitpick.

Well done.

Those five were pretty much random selections!

Confused are we?
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject:

Patrick Brown wrote:

Confused are we?

Trolling again are you?
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject:

[quote="Ignatz"]

chek wrote:

Ignatz wrote:

[So, to summarise, you "have no view" except that you've only seen isolated fires in CT site photos and that you're happy to speculate that firecrews covered up - inadvertentlyor otherwise - for demolition contractors?
Is that what you're saying?
Please be clear.

I invited you to show any better photos you may have seen showing more extensive fires - are there any? I haven't seen them, if you have please share.

It's not beyond the bounds of speculation that if a building walks like a CD, quacks like a CD and goes down like a CD - it probably is a CD.
How would that happen, apart from human intervention?

I'm therefore happy to speculate that with over 300 dead firefighters earlier that day, local Manhattan crews would not know all the replacements brought in and that situation allows a window of opportunity for CD contractors to go about their business with little chance of anyone wondering who they were and what they were doing.

Ignatz wrote:

How did the smoke appear from the top floors, for example? Govt. agents planting a thousand smoke bombs to cover up the CD?
Were the firefighters ill-advised when many of them foresaw the collapse of WTC7? When they saw the building bowing and heard it creaking?
Was the "eyewitness" wrong about massive damage to the South face? And the firefighters who said the same?
Please be clear.

I hadn't considered the smoke bomb theory before. While I'm gone checking the known chemical composition of Govt. Issue smoke bombs, maybe you could answer the last and most relevant part of my post you conveniently omitted?

Here it is again in case you forgot:
"But apart from that, a sh*tload of columns don't fail in exactly the right sequence to produce a CD like result by themselves.
That's what the Roberts Hypothesis fails to account for".

Looking forward to your response.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject:

Patrick Brown wrote:

Confused are we?

I think you are, about so many things. For a start about whether you actually want to investigate what happened on the basis of available evidence, or simply peddle some theories and disregard anything that conflicts with them, the truthshirker approach.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject:

chek wrote:

I'm therefore happy to speculate that with over 300 dead firefighters earlier that day, local Manhattan crews would not know all the replacements brought in and that situation allows a window of opportunity for CD contractors to go about their business with little chance of anyone wondering who they were and what they were doing.

Ah - so you're saying the demolition crews did the job *on the day itself* ? As long as we understand each other.

You say the many firefighters at WTC7 were lying or paid-off. Fine. Now I understand your position.

You believe the heavy smoke all over WTC7 was artificially created. OK.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject:

Ignatz wrote:

chek wrote:

Ah - so you're saying the demolition crews did the job *on the day itself* ? As long as we understand each other.

Well you'd have to clarify exactly what you meant by the phrase 'did the job on the day itself' in some detail before we understand anything of the sort.
If you mean 'hit the big red detonator button', I think we can be reasonably certain that would be done on the day itself.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject:

chek wrote:

Ignatz wrote:

chek wrote:

Ah - so you're saying the demolition crews did the job *on the day itself* ? As long as we understand each other.

Well, apart from hitting the button, all that's left to do is get in there and rig up cutting charges and the associated detonators. Cutting charges need to be set in parallel, so that means torching holes in the columns to get the charges lined up. And usually they torch away at the girders to pre-weaken them, and do a lot of calculating of loads. Very tricky at WTC7 given the cantilever system over the sub-station.
Yep - if you want the team going in there "on the day" they'd have to do a lot of this on the fly in a burning building with firemen around.

Why bother with all this?
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject:

Patrick Brown wrote:

This one is slightly strange in that the guy (could be a fire chief) and he says “a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.'”. Who are they?

Quote:

I walked around the building to get back to the command post and that's when they were waiting for 7 World Trade Center to come down. ...They had three floors of fire on three separate floors, probably 10, 11 and 15 it looked like, just burning merrily. It was pretty amazing, you know, it's the afternoon in lower Manhattan, a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.' –FDNY
Chief Thomas McCarthy http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110055.PDF

That's what the links are for. Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject:

chek wrote:

Here it is again in case you forgot:
"But apart from that, a sh*tload of columns don't fail in exactly the right sequence to produce a CD like result by themselves.
That's what the Roberts Hypothesis fails to account for".

Looking forward to your response.

What does NIST's hypothesis state?
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject:

Ignatz wrote:

Child's play. I could do it in my sleep.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject:

chipmunk stew wrote:

chek wrote:

What does NIST's hypothesis state?

Er....19 pissed off firemen?

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject:

chek wrote:

chipmunk stew wrote:

chek wrote:

What does NIST's hypothesis state?

Er....19 pissed off firemen?

About the failure of the columns, chek. What's their working hypothesis? You do know what their hypothesis is, right?
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:38 am Post subject:

chipmunk stew wrote:

Patrick Brown wrote:

This one is slightly strange in that the guy (could be a fire chief) and he says “a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.'”. Who are they?

Quote:

I walked around the building to get back to the command post and that's when they were waiting for 7 World Trade Center to come down. ...They had three floors of fire on three separate floors, probably 10, 11 and 15 it looked like, just burning merrily. It was pretty amazing, you know, it's the afternoon in lower Manhattan, a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.' –FDNY
Chief Thomas McCarthy http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110055.PDF

That's what the links are for. Rolling Eyes

Basically the author of this report: http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf , Mark Roberts, which I took those accounts from is a shill. Most of the eyewitness reports are taken out of context or edited in such a way as to give the impression 7 WTC was an inferno. It's ironic that Robert's goes to such great lenghs to prove Silverstein said “they” instead of “we” yet can't even quote a few eyewitness reports without making it all snakey!

The author is also tying to pull a mind job on any readers that may be firemen by suggesting that people like me believe they had something to do with the controlled demolitions of the towers and building 7. I'm sorry but this kind of tactic comes from the same mindset as that of the mass murder of 3000 people.

I'll spell it out for you my little munky, as you seem somewhat dim:
because of the chaos and the confusion on 911 it would have been very easy to have a team of people dressed up as firemen working in the building. We also don't know exactly who was at the scene and who was controlling operations at building 7. We must consider that the CIA may have been controlling access to the building as well as running the show. Which ever way you look at it the picture we get of the activity surrounding building 7 is one of confusion and chaos making it the ideal situation for 'smokescreens' and 'slight of hand' trickery.

Of course we shouldn't forget that as you promote this bogus report in your signature (the PDF) you are guilty by association and therefore a shill.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:32 am Post subject:

chipmunk stew wrote:

chek wrote:

chipmunk stew wrote:

chek wrote:

What does NIST's hypothesis state?

Er....19 pissed off firemen?

About the failure of the columns, chek. What's their working hypothesis? You do know what their hypothesis is, right?

Unless they've had a Damascene conversion since I last looked Aug 2005 wasn't it some rubbish roughly along the lines of the 'massive' fires on the east side, by means of a complex mish-mash of horizontal and vertical progressions, helped by the damaged south columns, proceeded to drag the otherwise undamaged north and west sides down performing all this smoothly at freefall speed because buildings can only go straight down and there's absolutely nothing, no really you're imagining it, abnormal about it at all?
I'm not expecting anything radically different in the final version.
(Although I'm sure New Reich Systems will invent some fancy computer animations to justify their multi-million dollar contract).

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:42 am Post subject:

Patrick Brown wrote:

That is very interesting, can you give us some figures to demonstrate what you mean by most, and some examples of this "snakey" behaviour, please.

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:45 am Post subject:

Bushwacker wrote:

Patrick Brown wrote:

That is very interesting, can you give us some figures to demonstrate what you mean by most, and some examples of this "snakey" behaviour, please.

Why don't you do a bit of research for a change my old wacker?
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject:

Bushwacker wrote:

Patrick Brown wrote:

That is very interesting, can you give us some figures to demonstrate what you mean by most, and some examples of this "snakey" behaviour, please.

This quote sited by Robert's:

Quote:

I walked around the building to get back to the command post and that's when they were waiting for 7 World Trade Center to come down. ...They had three floors of fire on three separate floors, probably 10, 11 and 15 it looked like, just burning merrily. It was pretty amazing, you know, it's the afternoon in lower Manhattan, a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.' –FDNY
Chief Thomas McCarthy http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110055.PDF

Should read:

Quote:

I LEFT THEN. I WALKED AROUND THE BUILDING TO GO BACK TO THE COMMAND POST AND THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE WAITING FOR 7 WORLD TRADE TO COME DOWN. DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE WAITING AT THAT TIME. I CALLED IN. THEY HAD THREE FLOORS OF FIRE ON THREE SEPARATE FLOORS PROBABLY 10, 11 AND 15 IT LOOKED LIKE, JUST BURNING MERRILY. IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING YOU KNOW ITS THE AFTERNOON IN MANHATTAN MAJOR HIGH-RISE IS BURNING AND THEY SAID WE KNOW. THINK THEY SAID THEY HAD SEVEN TO TEN FLOORS THAT WERE FREESTANDING AND THEY WERENT GOING TO SEND ANYONE IN.

I figure this part of the eyewitness account is more interesting.

Quote:

Q.YOU SAID BEFORE CHIEF, THAT YOU HEARD BULLETS GOING OFF. APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY DID YOU HEAR?

A.OH IT WAS LIKE IT WAS JUST CONSTANT. CONSTANT. WHATEVER, I GUESS THERE WERE PACKAGES OR SOMETHING, AND AS THEY HEATED UP, THEY WERE JUST POP POP POP POP POP POP POP. THEY WERE GOING OFF LIKE AT A STEADY RATE.

Q. AND THATS WHEN YOU WERE NEAR WORLD TRADE CENTER?

A THAT WAS ON VESEY STREET WEST OF BROADWAY. THATS WHERE ESU HAD PARKED A NUMBER OF VEHICLES RIGHT OUTSIDE THE CHURCH.

Adobe Acrobat doesn't save to text very well and misses certain characters so I recommend people read the PDF if they want to take a quote: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110055.PDF

Quote:

TRANSCRIBED BY NANCY FRANCIS

MCCARTHY
MR MCALLISTER THIS IS KEVIN MCALLISTER
FROM THE BUREAU OF ADMINISTRATION ITS OCTOBER 11TH
AT 1504 HOURS WERE AT HEADQUARTERS IN THE
COMMISSIONERS CONFERENCE ROOM IM JOINED BY
ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER DRURY ASSISTANT
COMMISSIONER JAMES DRURY
MR MCALLISTER AND WERE HERE WITH CHIEF
THOMAS MCCARTHY
CHIEF MCCARTHY WED LIKE TO DRAW YOUR
ATTENTION TO SEPTEMBER 11 2001 AND GET YOUR
RECOLLECTIONS OF THAT DAY
OKAY AFTER FINDING OUT ABOUT THE PLANE
CRASH AT THE BUILDING GOT IN TOUCH WITH
HEADQUARTERS EDDIE MORIARTY ANSWERED AND TOLD ME TO
GO TO SHOPS GET THE LIST OF THE SPARE RIGS AND WHERE
THEYRE LOCATED
CHIEF WERE YOU WORKING THAT DAY OR WERE YOU
OFF
WAS OFF
SO YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE PLANE CRASH AT
HOME
AT MY WIF HAD AB IT
SHE SAW IT ON TV
SO THEN HEADED OVER TO SHOPS GOT THE LIST

MCCARTHY
COULDNT GET THROUGH THE PHONE LINES WERE DOWN SO
JUST FAXED IT OVER AND THAT WENT THROUGH ONE OF THE
BUILDINGS COLLAPSED WHEN WAS AT THE SHOPS SO GOT
IN THE CAR AND TOOK OFF GOT MY FIRE GEAR HEADED
INTO THE CITY BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE WAY HOME GOING
FROM THE SHOPS THROUGH QUEENS GOT MY GEAR AND WENT TO
THE FOOT OF THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE GOT RIDE OVER THE
BRIDGE AND HEADED TO VESEY AND BROADWAY
CHIEF HARING WAS JUST STARTING TO SET UP
COMMAND POST HE MADE ME BATTALION 99 HAD ONE
HANDIE TALKIE AND AS QUYS FILTERED IN FROM DIFFERENT
COMPANIES ALL VOLUNTEERS HAD ABOUT TWELVE GUYS
THREE OF THEM OFFICERS SO TEAMED GUYS UP WITH
OFFICERS SO DIDNT LOSE THEM
AS WE WENT DOWN VESEY STREET WE CAME ACROSS
ESU TRUCKS AND POLICE VEHICLES THAT WERE ON FIRE AND IN
SOME OF THEM THE BULLETS WERE STARTING TO GO OFF WE
WENT OVER TO THE VEHICLES AND TOOK WHATEVER TOOLS WE
COULD BECAUSE WE HAD NO TOOLS ORIGINALLY OUR
ASSIGNMENT WAS AL FUENTES WHO WAS TRAPPED IN HIS CAR
AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAD TO THE WEST SIDE HIGHWAY
AND HIM BATT SAWS
SOME FLASHLIGHTS REPELLING ROPES AND ANY HAND TOOLS WE
COULD GET

MCCARTHY
WHEN WE GOT TO THE NEXT CORNER ANOTHER ESU
VEHICLE WAS PARKED THERE SOME GENTLEMAN WAS DEAD IN
THE STREET WE CHECKED HIS PULSE LEFT HIM THERE AND
TOOK MASK AN ESU MASK THAT WAS THERE
THIS WAS AT THE CORNER OF VESEY AND WEST NOW
NO NOT WEST IM TRYING TO THINK THE NEXT
BLOCK DOWN
CHURCH
THE NEXT BLOCK WAS AT CHURCH
WERE EITHER OF THE TOWERS STANDING AT THAT
POINT
ACTUALLY WHEN WAS IN TRANSIT THE SECOND
ONE WENT DOWN SO THEYRE BOTH DOWN WHEN GOT TO
THE SCENE IT WAS JUST CLOUD OF CEMENT DUST AND JUST
BLACK AS YOU GOT TO THE SCENE IT WAS BLACK CAR
FIRES COUPLE OF SMALL STORES HAD FIRES IN THE FRONT
JUST SPORADIC FIRES AROUND PAPERS FLOATING AROUND AND
AS YOU GOT TO THE COMMAND POST AND LOOKED FURTHER DOWN
BROADWAY IT WAS JUST COMPLETELY BLACK
CHIEF WHAT TIME DID YOU GET THERE ABOUT
IM GUESSING QUARTER OF 1100 OR SO
AND TH HAD UP AT THAT
POINT AT PARK ROW AND BROADWAY
YES

MCCARTHY
RIGHT NEAR ST PAULS CHAPEL
RIGHT CHIEF HARING WAS JUST THERE WITH
THINK CHRIS WALL NO IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN CHRIS IT
MIGHT HAVE BEEN CHRIS IM NOT SURE THOUGHT SAW
HIM THERE THEY JUST HAD GOTTEN THERE AND THEY HAD
NOTHING THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT COMMAND POST
TOGETHER HE DID GREAT JOB
WHAT DID THE STREETS LOOK LIKE AT THAT POINT
PAPER EVERYWHERE PROBABLY UP TO YOUR ANKLES
IN CEMENT DUST EVERYWHERE JUST PAPER FLOATING AROUND
COVERINQ THE STREET AND THAT BLACKNESS WAS OVER THERE
CLOUD JUST AS MUCH AS YOU COULD SEE EVERYTHING WAS
BLACK WHERE THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WAS
LOST LOT OF GUYS GUYS WOULD STOP AND
HELP PULL LOAD LINES THEY WERE JUST FILLING IN
WHEREVER THEY COULD PUTTING OUT SOME CAR FIRES
WORKING ON COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO WERE DEAD TRYING TO
GET THEM OUT WENT FURTHER DOWN
ARE THESE CIVILIANS OR FIREFIGHTERS
CIVILIANS ALL CIVILIANS
WE GOT FURTHER DOWN TO THE OVERPASS THAT
AND TRAD TRAD
UP THE STAIRS THERE ACROSS THAT AREA HAD ANOTHER
FIREFIGHTER WITH ME AT THAT POINT AND THERE WAS

MCCARTHY
CIVILIAN UP THERE HE GAVE ME HIS NAME JOHN DRUSSO
OR JOHN RUSSO HE WAS LAYING FACE DOWN UNDER WORLD
TRADE SO WE HELPED HIM ACROSS THE BEAMS
DID YOU KNOW HIM
NO WE HEARD GUY CALLING OUT TALKED TO
HIM BECAUSE WE PUT OUR ARMS AROUND HIM ON EITHER SIDE
HE WAS BIG GUY SO IT TOOK TWO OF US TO GET HIM OUT
WE TRIED TO DANCE HIM ACROSS THE BEAMS AND TAKE HIM
DOWN SOME EMS PERSONNEL WERE COMING AND SOME OTHER
GUYS SO WE LEFT HIM THERE AND WENT BACK UP
THERE WERE THREE MASKS THERE WE SHUT OFF
THE PASS ALARMS SO NO ONE WENT UP THERE TO SEARCH FOR
THEM THAT AREA BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS WAS JUST ALL
GLASS PIECES OF BUILDING FIRE AND EVERYTHING WAS
RAINING DOWN STILL GLASS WAS COMING DOWN PIECES OF
FIRE SO WE DIDNT GO THAT WAY
THINK AT THAT POINT WENT AROUND TO CHURCH
STREET THERE WERE NO CHIEFS THERE AND JUST WANTED
TO KEEP THE GUYS AWAY THEY HAD TRIED TO SET UP
STANG BUT THEY HAD NO WATER PRESSURE AND NO REACH SO
JUST KEPT EVERYONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CHURCH STREET
TH SAFT SID GUYS INT TH MILLINNIUM
TO SEARCH THE HOTEL AND SOME GUYS INTO CENTURYS TO
SEARCH THE STORE

MCCARTHY
211 RIG SHOWED UP BRIAN CORCORAN FROM 50
ENGINE AND HES REAL SHARP HE TRIED TO HOOK UP TO
THE STANDPIPE SYSTEM OF THE MILLENNIUM TO GET WATER
SUPPLY BECAUSE WE HAD NO WATER SUPPLY RIG ON THE
CORNER WAS JUST THERE WAS HOOKED UP BUT IT HAD NO
WATER AND THAT STARTED TO BURN WE WERE TRYING TO PUT
THAT OUT
DO YOU KNOW WHICH COMPANY THAT RIG BELONGED
TO
NO DIDNT SEE NUMBER JUST SAW THE
BACK END OF IT THEN AT THAT POINT WE HAD REPORTS OF
PEOPLE ON THE PATH TRAIN AND THEY NEEDED HELP DOWN
THERE HAD SENT GUYS AROUND TO DIFFERENT RIGS TO
JUST GATHER UP ALL THE TOOLS THEY COULD SO WE HAD
SUPPLY RIGHT THERE SO SENT SOME GUYS TO GRAB TOOLS
HAND TOOLS AND HEAD DOWN THERE IM TRYING TO THINK
WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT POINT
WERE THEY ABLE TO GET INTO THE PATH TUNNEL
THE UNITS THAT WERE DOWN THERE WERE CALLING
FOR HELP THE GUYS SENT DONT KNOW IF THEY GOT
THERE THINK THEY GOT THERE IN TIME TO HELP BUT
TH SAW TH PR MUCH FAR AKNG WITH TH
RESCUE AND THEY EITHER GOT SOMEBODY OUT DONT KNOW
IF THEY WERE DEAD OR ALIVE BUT CALLED DOWN THERE AND

MCCARTHY
THEY SAID THEY DIDNT NEED ANY MORE HELP SO DONT
KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS
AT THAT POINT HAD EVERYONE PRETTY MUCH ON
THE SAFE SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS ANOTHER CHIEF CAME
SO AT THAT POINT WENT AROUND TO THE PLAZA AREA THAT
HAD COLLAPSED WHEN GOT BACK THERE THE BRIDGE TO
WORLD TRADE HAD COLLAPSED IN FRONT OF IT THAT FRONT
AREA RIGHT IN THE PLAZA SO WE WENT THROUGH BECAUSE
GUYS WERE TELLING ME THEY HEARD PASS ALARMS IN THE HALL
IN THE PLAZA ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SO DIDNT THINK
ANYONE WAS THERE BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE QOT
THESE GUYS OUT BECAUSE GUYS WERE TRYING TO DO CRAZY
STUFF
SO WE WENT OVER THERE AND YOU COULD SEE THE
WORLD TRADE FACADE WAS THERE AND THOUGHT THAT THING
MIGHT COME DOWN SO JUST SAID LETS GET OUT OF HERE
THERE WERE NO PASS ALARMS IT WAS JUST THE GUYS WHO
WANTED TO DO SO MUCH THAT LOT OF IT WAS MORE GOOD
INTENTIONS THAN GOOD SENSE WE GOT THOSE GUYS OUT OF
THERE
AT ONE POINT WAS WORKING WITH ESU GUYS WE
HAD FRUR ESU GUYS WH US
CHURCH STREET AS WE CAME DOWN FROM THE PLAZA WE WENT
INTO THE CONCOURSE AND IM SORRY AFTER THAT

MCCARTHY
COLLAPSED HAD ESU GUYS WITH ME AND PROBABLY ABOUT
SIX GUYS WE TRIED TO GO UNDERNEATH INTO THE CONCOURSE
LEVEL TO SEE IF WE HAD ACCESS YOU COULDNT IT WAS
JUST ALL CONCRETE SLABS OF CONCRETE AND THEN WE
SEARCHED THE PORT AUTHORITY THE PORT AUTHORITY POLICE
HAD SUBSTATION THERE SO WE SEARCHED THAT MADE SURE
ALL THOSE GUYS WERE OUT WE WENT BACK OUT TO THE
STREET AND ESU GUYS THANKED US AND THEY WERE GOING TO
LOOK FOR THEIR GUYS AND WE WERE GOING TO HEAD AROUND
LIBERTY
AT THAT POINT RAN INTO BUNCH OF QUYS WHO
WANTED TO GET BACK
WERE YOU EAST OF THE SITE OR WEST OF THE SITE
AT THAT TIME
WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEN
GOT IT
AND THEN BUNCH OF GUYS WANTED TO FIND THE
ENTRANCE TO THE PLAZA FROM THAT SIDE SO TOOK THEM
AROUND BOBBY HIGGINS WAS THERE THEN SO WE WENT OUT
INTO THAT RUBBLE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AND WENT
AROUND IT WAS POINTLESS THERE WAS NO REASON TO BE
TH TH FL IN HAD CRACK AND TH
PITCHED AND AT THAT POINT IM LOSING CONFIDENCE IN THE
BUILDING SO WE CAME OUT

10
MCCARTHY
THINK BOBBY AND MYSELF AND ANOTHER GUY
WENT HE THOUGHT PEOPLE WERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR SO
WE WENT UP AND SEARCHED COUPLE FLOORS IN HE WAS
LOOKING FOR HIS BROTHER SO THEN WENT WITH HIM
COUPLE OF CHIEFS WERE ALREADY ON CHURCH STREET SO
WENT WITH HIM AROUND LIBERTY AND THAT WAS JUST MASSIVE
RUBBLE IN FRONT OF 10 AND 10 SO WE WENT ON THE SIDE
STREET AND WENT AROUND TO WEST STREET
AT THAT POINT WAS EXHAUSTED RAN INTO
FRIEND OF MINE FROM OEM AND JUST SAT DOWN WITH HIM AND
TRIED TO CATCH MY BREATH BOBBY KEPT QOINQ IM
TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT POINT THEY
WERE SENDING SOME GUYS IN CHIEF HAYDEN WAS SENDING
SOME GUYS IN AND HE JUST TOLD ME TO STAY OUTSIDE
LEFT THEN WALKED AROUND THE BUILDING TO
GO BACK TO THE COMMAND POST AND THATS WHEN THEY WERE
WAITING FOR WORLD TRADE TO COME DOWN DIDNT KNOW
THEY WERE WAITING AT THAT TIME CALLED IN THEY HAD
THREE FLOORS OF FIRE ON THREE SEPARATE FLOORS PROBABLY
10 11 AND 15 IT LOOKED LIKE JUST BURNING MERRILY IT
WAS PRETTY AMAZING YOU KNOW ITS THE AFTERNOON IN
MANHATTAN MAJ HIGH RISC IS BURNING AND TH
SAID WE KNOW THINK THEY SAID THEY HAD SEVEN TO TEN
FLOORS THAT WERE FREESTANDING AND THEY WERENT GOING TO

11
MCCARTHY
SEND ANYONE IN
WENT AROUND TO THE COMMAND POST
SO THIS IS LATE AFTERNOON AT THIS POINT
YES ITS PROBABLY AROUND 600 OCLOCK
SO WHEN GET TO THE COMMAND POST THEY JUST
HAD FLOOD OF GUYS STANDING THERE THEY WERE JUST
WAITING FOR TO COME DOWN SO WENT OVER TO PACE
GOT MY EYES WASHED AND WENT BACK JUST STANDING
AROUND
SO DIDNT WANT TO STAND AROUND WENT
BACK TO HEADQUARTERS WALKED OVER STARTED TO WALK
OVER THE BRIDGE AND HOOKED RIDE ON BUS AND WENT
BACK TO HEADQUARTERS AND STARTED HELPING OUT HERE WITH
LOGISTICS
WHEN YOU SAY YOU WENT TO PACE TO GET YOUR
EYES WASHED OUT YOU MEAN PACE UNIVERSITY
YES THEY HAD TRIAGE CENTER THERE
RIGHT YOU SAID YOU MADE IT DOWN TO WEST
STREET DID YOU EVER SEE THE AREA NEAR OR AROUND THE
WORLD FINANCIAL CENTER WHERE THE FDNY COMMAND POST HAD
BEEN BEFORE THE COLLAPSE
MAD IT STR JUST IN
FRONT OF THE OVERPASS OF WORLD TRADE PEOPLE WERE
SAYING DONT STAND UNDER THERE ITS GOING TO COME

12
MCCARTHY
DOWN AND THEN BY THE TIME MADE IT BACK AROUND
WENT TO THE FRONT ON CHURCH STREET AND CAME BACK
AROUND THE AREA WE TOOK THAT CIVILIAN OUT OF HAD ALL
COLLAPSED THAT WASNT THERE ANYMORE
SO AT THAT POINT WE WERE LITTLE LEERY ABOUT
HOW THE BRIDGE WAS TIED IN SO NO ONE WAS REALLY GOING
ONTO IT AND THEN THEY WERE ALSO SAYING WAS GOING TO
COME DOWN THEY CHASED EVERYONE OFF THE BLOCK
YOU SAID BEFORE CHIEF THAT YOU HEARD
BULLETS GOING OFF APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY DID YOU
HEAR
OH IT WAS LIKE IT WAS JUST CONSTANT
CONSTANT WHATEVER GUESS THERE WERE PACKAGES OR
SOMETHING AND AS THEY HEATED UP THEY WERE JUST POP
POP POP POP POP POP POP THEY WERE GOING OFF LIKE AT
STEADY RATE
AND THATS WHEN YOU WERE NEAR WORLD TRADE
CENTER
THAT WAS ON VESEY STREET WEST OF BROADWAY
THATS WHERE ESU HAD PARKED NUMBER OF VEHICLES
RIGHT OUTSIDE THE CHURCH
AND UP BACK AT
YES WENT BACK HERE JUST SO COULD DO
SOMETHING

13
MCCARTHY
AT SOME POINT IN TIME WERE YOU INFORMED THAT
FIRST DEPUTY COMMISSIONER FEEHAN AND CHIEF OF
DEPARTMENT GANCI WERE AMONG THE MISSING
HAD HEARD THAT DONT KNOW AT WHAT POINT
HEARD THAT BUT WHEN LEFT PACE HEARD ONE RADIO
TRANSMISSION THAT SAID FEEHAN WAS IN AN AMBULANCE SO
THOUGHT HE WAS OKAY AT THAT POINT BUT THEY MUST
HAVE DONT KNOW DONT KNOW HOW THAT
TRANSMISSION CAME OVER BUT HEARD HE WAS IN AN
AMBULANCE SO THOUGHT HE WAS OKAY HE WAS IN AN
AMBULANCE AT LEAST ALIVE THATS PROBABLY THE FIRST
KNEW OF FEEHAN AND DIDNT REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
GANCI NOW THAT IM THINKING BACK ON IT PROBABLY
WOULDNT HAVE KNOWN ANYTHING ABOUT IT DONT KNOW IF
HEARD ANYTHING NO ONE REALLY KNEW ANYTHING GUYS
WERE JUST WANDERING
IT WAS TERRIBLE BECAUSE GUYS WANTED TO DO
SOMETHING THEY DIDNT KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD JUST COME
UP TO ME BECAUSE THEY SAW THE WHITE HELMET AND SAY
WANT TO DO THIS WANT TO DO THAT YOU KNOW WELL GET
SOME GUYS WELL DO THIS YOU KNOW IT WAS SAD BECAUSE
KN UR GUYS IN TH
ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER DRURY THANKS
CHIEF DONT HAVE ANYTHING MORE

14
MCCARTHY
MR MCALLISTER GUESS BEFORE WE CONCLUDE
THE INTERVIEW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER OBSERVATIONS OR IF
YOU RECALL ANY PEOPLE YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN THAT DAY
WED ASK YOU IF YOU DO AND IF NOT WELL CONCLUDE THE
INTERVIEW
CHIEF MCCARTHY OFFHAND NO THINK THATS
ALL THAT COMES TO MIND RIGHT NOW
MR MCALLISTER THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHIEF
CHIEF MCCARTHY OKAY
MR MCALLISTER ITS KEVIN MCALLISTER HERE
AQAIN ITS 15 HOURS 19 MINUTES WERE QOINQ TO
CONCLUDE THE INTERVIEW THANK YOU

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject:

Patrick Brown wrote:

Bushwacker wrote:

Patrick Brown wrote:

That is very interesting, can you give us some figures to demonstrate what you mean by most, and some examples of this "snakey" behaviour, please.

This quote sited by Robert's:

Quote:

I walked around the building to get back to the command post and that's when they were waiting for 7 World Trade Center to come down. ...They had three floors of fire on three separate floors, probably 10, 11 and 15 it looked like, just burning merrily. It was pretty amazing, you know, it's the afternoon in lower Manhattan, a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.' –FDNY
Chief Thomas McCarthy http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110055.PDF

Should read:

Quote:

How, exactly, is this a misrepresentation?

Quote:

I figure this part of the eyewitness account is more interesting.

Quote:

That is interesting, but what are you suggesting it implies about 7?
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Posts: 833

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject:

Patrick Brown wrote:

I'll spell it out for you my little munky, as you seem somewhat dim:
because of the chaos and the confusion on 911 it would have been very easy to have a team of people dressed up as firemen working in the building.

Oh yeah. Piece of cake. All they'd have to do is make sure they get equipment identifying them with a phony engine company and hope no one noticed. Then their phony chief could control all access to the building. That wouldn't be suspicious at all.

Quote:

We also don't know exactly who was at the scene and who was controlling operations at building 7.

Tell that to Chief Nigro.

Quote:

We must consider that the CIA may have been controlling access to the building as well as running the show.

Tell that to Chief Nigro.

Quote:

Which ever way you look at it the picture we get of the activity surrounding building 7 is one of confusion and chaos making it the ideal situation for 'smokescreens' and 'slight of hand' trickery.

Quote:

Of course we shouldn't forget that as you promote this bogus report in your signature (the PDF) you are guilty by association and therefore a shill.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

...How much did you say Al Qaeda is paying you?
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Patrick Brown
9/11 Truth critic

Joined: 10 Oct 2006
Posts: 1201

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject:

chipmunk stew wrote:

Patrick Brown wrote:

Bushwacker wrote:

Patrick Brown wrote:

That is very interesting, can you give us some figures to demonstrate what you mean by most, and some examples of this "snakey" behaviour, please.

This quote sited by Robert's:

Quote:

I walked around the building to get back to the command post and that's when they were waiting for 7 World Trade Center to come down. ...They had three floors of fire on three separate floors, probably 10, 11 and 15 it looked like, just burning merrily. It was pretty amazing, you know, it's the afternoon in lower Manhattan, a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.' –FDNY
Chief Thomas McCarthy http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHI C/9110055.PDF

Should read:

Quote:

How, exactly, is this a misrepresentation?

The statements of the firefighter are hearsay as his information was obtained over the radio and not first hand. Roberts edits the comments of the firefighter to give the impression that he is witnessing the events. Just read and notice the difference.

chipmunk stew wrote:

Quote:

I figure this part of the eyewitness account is more interesting.

Quote:

That is interesting, but what are you suggesting it implies about 7?

You are such a shill I will be asking the forum admin to remove you from this site. I'm aware that you'll just create another account and probably have the ability to randomize your IP address for each login but I don't think any of us here should have to tolerate such extreme shilling.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject:

chek wrote:

chipmunk stew wrote:

About the failure of the columns, chek. What's their working hypothesis? You do know what their hypothesis is, right?

Not even close. If you don't understand the current working hypothesis, then you're in no position to state:
"But apart from that, a sh*tload of columns don't fail in exactly the right sequence to produce a CD like result by themselves.
That's what the Roberts [=NIST] Hypothesis fails to account for."

Quote:

I'm not expecting anything radically different in the final version.
(Although I'm sure New Reich Systems will invent some fancy computer animations to justify their multi-million dollar contract).

Your disdain for professional civilian engineers is astonishing.
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