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 Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: Were the black boxes at the WTC site recovered???!!!! |
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The following appears on www.rigorousintuition.com
| Quote: | Report: WTC black boxes were recovered
No comment besides to say, if this breaking story - which will appear tomorrow in The Philadelphia Daily News - is true, then it supports our suspicion that the black boxes contained data that was never meant for disclosure. The Daily News piece is an abbreviation of this report, which begins:
Two men who worked extensively in the wreckage of the World Trade Center claim they helped federal agents find three of the four "black boxes" from the jetliners that struck the towers on 9/11 - contradicting the official account.
Both the independent 9/11 Commission and federal authorities continue to insist that none of the four devices - a cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) from the two planes - were ever found in the wreckage.
But New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi has written in a recent book -- self-published by several Ground Zero workers -- that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate three of the four.
His account is supported by a volunteer, Mike Bellone, whose efforts at Ground Zero have been chronicled in the New York Times and elsewhere. Bellone said assisted DeMasi and the agents and that saw a device that resembling a "black box" in the back of the firefighter’s ATV.
Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero. Federal aviation officials - blaming the massive devastation - have said the World Trade Center attacks seem to be the only major jetliner crashes in which the critical devices were never located.
A footnote to the 9/11 Commission Report issued this summer flatly states: "The CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175" - the two planes that hit the Trade Center - "were not found."
And officials for the FBI - which oversaw the cleanup at Ground Zero - and the New York City Fire Department repeated this week that the devices were never recovered |
Just out of interest are there any aviation experts who can verify how many black boxes there are on a plane and where are they located?
Of course we would not expect to find a black box belonging to flight 77 at the Pentagon when there is no evidence of a plane hitting it.
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Andrew Johnson
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I'm not an aviation expert, but, I have seen some of this story before - although not when it was due to be published in a mainstream newspaper.
I have the following thoughts to offer, both of which could indicate the story is disinformation:
1) If the planes that hit the WTC were indeed military jets (I am still undecided on this, despite the supporting evidence), they may not have had black boxes.
2) Because the towers with destroyed with explosives, any black boxes may not have survived this level of destruction, so it might actually be true that they were never found...
Just thoughts....
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Good point Andrew. Disinfo we have to be alert for that and to be able to identify the ptb disinfo websites! The following related article also appears on www.Rense.com (its interesting to see that the ptb gave Bellone an honorary award and he retired, some research follow up may reveal if Bellone is representing the truth or not) :-
| Quote: | FBI Tells 911 Rescue Worker
To 'Shut Up' Over Finding
Airplane 'Black Boxes'
By Greg Szymanski
4-17-5
Two ground zero workers go public about finding cockpit and flight data recorders from Flight 11 and 175. Government claims 'black boxes' from the doomed 911 flights were never found. 911 Commission ignores information and fails to interview rescue workers.
A 911 rescue worker said this week he was told by FBI agents to "keep his mouth shut" about one of the "black boxes" found at ground zero, contradicting the official story that none of the flight and cockpit data recorders were ever recovered in the WTC wreckage.
Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone claims he was approached by unknown bureau agents a short time after he and his partner Nicholas DeMasi, a retired New York firefighter, found three of the four "black boxes" among the WTC rubble before January 2002.
The pair first claimed to find the data recorders in an August 2003 book entitled "Behind The Scene: Ground Zero" when DeMasi said the "black boxes" were found while he traversed ground zero in his ATV with three federal agents.
FBI and New York fire officials have denied ever finding the voice and data recorders.
Now Bellone claims agents were adamant about keeping the discovery a secret.
"They confronted me and told me to not to say anything," recalls Bellone, referring to one of three reddish-orange boxes with two white stripes he saw in the back of DeMasi's ATV. "I said give me a good reason? When they couldn't, I told them I wouldn't shut up about it.
"Why should I? I have nothing to hide and nothing to gain. It's the truth and Nick and I are sticking to our story as we always have."
Bellone said he and DeMasi were not the only 911 rescue workers to see the black boxes. He said there were several other witnesses and knows first hand they have been silenced by federal agents.
"I know two or three others saw what went down, but they are not talking," added Bellone. "They got to those guys after they talked to me. The only reason I can figure they are trying to hide the truth is that the government knows it screwed up and the recorders would prove it."
Asked to give names of the other witnesses, he said he wouldn't break a fellow-worker's confidence, privacy and firm desire to remain anonymous.
"I can tell you this, though, it was all very strange. I worked on the spaceship Columbia clean-up and you know when something important is found and when something is not" he recalled, saying the day the 'black boxes' were secretly carted away agents acted like "something big was going down."
Bellone also recalled never learning the FBI names as this type of personal contact and information wasn't exchanged between the civilian workers and government officials working side-by-side at ground zero.
"We worked together, but nobody knew their names," added Bellone. "They had on their FBI jackets, but I'm sure I could pick them out of a line-up or recognize their pictures."
The pair's bombshell accusations blows a big hole in the official story as well as the findings in the recent 911 Commission report. In Chapter 1, footnote 76, there is the sole but definitive reference to the airline "black boxes":
"The CVR's and the FDR's (voice and flight data recorders) from American 11 and United 175 were not found."
Asked if DeMasi and Bellone were questioned or subpoenaed, Commission spokesman Al Felzenberg said:
"I can't tell you now if he was is one of the 1,200 people we interviewed or if the book was one of the countless ones we researched. We explored every lead, but I will try to find out if we talked with him and get back to you"
However, Bellone said he and DeMasi never were contacted by Commission members or asked to appear regarding their statements even though the book was published well before the hearings commenced.
And it's amazing with a story of such importance that in over a year since the book surfaced almost nobody else has called them either. It's hard to imagine a story with such magnitude has not been thoroughly checked out unless the mainstream press purposely ignored it.
"I have been contacted by only one newspaper reporter from the Philadelphia Daily News. That's it," he said, referring to an October 2004 story by reporter William Bunch, recapping DeMasi's book statements as well as the usual official denials.
Those close to the 911 investigation said the recovery of the "black boxes" is important, holding vital clues and leading to the truth of what really happened on the morning of 911.
The cockpit voice recorder uses a pair of microphones to capture all cockpit sounds for the last 30 minutes of a doomed flight. The flight date recorder is also significant since it records altitude, heading and airspeed.
Both recorders are designed to withstand enormous impact and heat. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) officials said they should have withstood the conditions at the WTC.
And finding the boxes after a crash seems to be standard procedure, according to the NTSB.
"It's extremely rare that we don't get the recorders back,' said NTSB spokesman Ted Lopatkiewicz. "I can't remember another case which we did not recover the recorders."
Bellone is retired and was made an honorary New York fireman for his efforts after 911. DeMasi also recently retired from Engine Co. 261, nicknamed the "Flaming Skulls," after serving a brief stint after 911 with the fire department's marine unit.
First posted 12-04 http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/17860.h tm
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Its highly likely that the longer the 911 truth searching goes on, the muddier the waters are going to get thanks to the ptb disinfo agents.
There must be an incontrovertible smoking gun/whistleblower somewhere out there who is prepared to reveal the truth rather than be paid off for his/her silence!
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