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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Webster Tarpley - Beam Weapon??????? Reply with quote

If you watch the Webster Tarpley lecture 36 minutes 30 seconds into the presentation he says

" The building is being destroyed into thin air"

"My impression is that there are energy sources here that may be at the outer limits of convential controlled demolition"

"The most brutal I have ever seen"

That was nearly two years ago - what does he think now?
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He probably think i'd be convenient to find a beam weapon of some sort which can be used to vaporise thousands of tonnes of metal and concrete.

Seeing as he hasn't found one, he's shut up about it.
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From listening to his broadcasts on RBN live (World Crisis Radio) I would state he still appears to be open minded to the cause of collapse and for that matter, doesn't rule out no big Boeings - certainly he has a respect for(if not agreement) with Nico Haupt. Tarpley talks about the building 6 crater a lot - in fact it was him that got me looking at that more closely.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

next day the dust still clouded the skyline

You just don't get this with a conventional controlled demolition

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/americas/2001/day_of_ terror/in_pictures/20.stm
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:
next day the dust still clouded the skyline

You just don't get this with a conventional controlled demolition

Ahem! We are talking about the destruction of two of the tallest buildings on the planet plus one other on a near windless day. Personally, I do not find the lingering dust cloud in the least bit surprising.

You just don't get this with a conventional controlled demolition?

1) Says who?

2) Who said it was conventional? It is conventional to evacuate a building and empty it of all its contents prior to demolition.

3) Your 'you just don't get this...' reads like Margaret Thatcher!
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The dish called humble pie was a pie made of the inferior parts of the deer. These inferior parts, or humbles, may have been the kidneys, intestines, heart, or liver. They were boiled until tender, and mixed with suet, apples, currants, sugar, salt, and spices such as mace, cloves, and nutmeg. This delectable was originally eaten by hunters (who were at one time respectable members of society), but later it became a common food of servants. Of course, the higher classes traditionally dined on venison (deer meat). The English brought the dish to America, where venison was plentiful, and recipes for it appear in cookbooks right up to the 19th century. Many dishes used humbles from animals other than deer: "burseu" was made by parboiling pig viscera in wine.

Almost always used in the plural, this term for animal viscera has gone through several spellings over time. Numbles/nombles was the original (early 14th century) spelling. This was borrowed from Middle French nombles, meaning 'loin of veal; fillet of beef or venison'. The French is an alteration of Latin lumbulus, meaning 'a little loin'. In the 15th century, the English spelling umbles is first recorded; the spelling humbles first appears in the late 16th century. It's likely that the "umble" spelling arose from the mistaken word division of "a numble pie" as "an umble pie." And the later "humble" spelling arose from a connection made between this lowly, inferior food and the meaning of the unrelated adjective "humble." In fact, British dialectal pronunciation dropped the "h," so that "umble" and "humble" were pronounced alike.

The more familiar use of humble pie is 'humility forced on someone, often under embarrassing conditions'. This sense of 'humiliation' first appears in the early 19th century. The expression eat humble pie means 'to be forced to apologize humbly; suffer humiliation'. These meanings derive from a reference to the lowly pie eaten by the lower classes, and from the adjective humble, which is close in meaning to 'humiliated'.

Though I can't tell you why 'eating a lowly food' came to be associated with 'humiliation', there exists a similar expression in 19th century dialectal English. The English Dialect Dictionary records the idiom eat rue pie, meaning 'to rue, repent'. Wouldn't "rue pie" be an interesting name for a dish?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I watch the twin towers falling, it allways looks like something strange is going on in the way the building doesnt seem to collapse, it seems to turn into dust from the top to the bottom.
Why?
I could understand it the top floors turned to dust when they crashed into the ground but they become dust in mid-air, something strange must be doing that, WT7 didnt turn into dust like that.

There is said to be hardly any debri at the base of the twin towers, because the building on turning to dust has coated the ground for miles around with a thick layer of tiny dust particles.

And what made all those cars that wherent hit by any falling debri, just self-combust like that? http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam5.html
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your absolutely right Nambo

Problem is virtually all of the people on this forum have been telling everybody it was explosives and are in denial - they come up with things like it's science fiction and there's no proof.

However they are unable to explain the very fine dust that hung in the air for days and the frazzled cars that appear to have exploded from within and your point that the building were turned to dust before they hit the ground.

I would like to hear David Shayler's take on this - maybe he can have it as a topic on his next radio show - maybe Annie could ask him?
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If everything was being vaporised, why do numerous buildings around the towers have huge parts of the the external columns stuck them?

How does a beam weapon explain the explosive force which sent the mass of the towers outward?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please rephrase your first question

RE Your second question - Have you ever put a potato in the microwave without pricking it - it explodes, however it contains no explosives.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:
RE Your second question - Have you ever put a potato in the microwave without pricking it - it explodes, however it contains no explosives.


This is an excellent analogy and point. The microwaves are also invisible. The principle of operation of Microwave ovens is that they causes water of fat molecules to vibrate - the microwave beam from the magnetron tube causes a "resonance effect" in the molecules of food (mainly water and fat) which then makes them vibrate rapidly and heat up. This can cause some foods to explode, yes.

I don't think precisely the same "explosive" mechanism may be at work in the towers - and it's very difficult to speculate about that nature of operation of undisclosed technology, of course. But certainly a resonance in the steel molecules which is built up over several seconds could cause the pulverisation.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:
Your absolutely right Nambo

Problem is virtually all of the people on this forum have been telling everybody it was explosives and are in denial - they come up with things like it's science fiction and there's no proof.

However they are unable to explain the very fine dust that hung in the air for days and the frazzled cars that appear to have exploded from within and your point that the building were turned to dust before they hit the ground.

I would like to hear David Shayler's take on this - maybe he can have it as a topic on his next radio show - maybe Annie could ask him?


Cheers TTWSYF, however I personally belive both views hold credence.

Maybe the "beam weapon" if that was what it was, can act on something ridgid like concrete, maybe vibrating it to dust but would have no effect on metals which are mallable.

So, maybe they destroyed the concrete with some special weapon, and at the same time "cut" and exploded the steel structure with thermate which has left evidence and maybe other explosives, seen bursting out the sides and reported by the firemen, "boom, boom, boom, boom.

Maybe they went overkill, unsure and desperate not to leave half the building standing so had various methods of destruction.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:
Have you ever put a potato in the microwave without pricking it - it explodes, however it contains no explosives.

Thanks for this and all your other cooking tips and recipes - particularly humble pie. I look forward to you letting us all know how it tastes.

A little like the apocryphal tale of the bumble bee flying despite the laws of physics prohibiting him from doing so, simply because he doesn't know how not to fly - I was unaware of the danger to which I have been exposing myself by not pricking my potatoes before placing them in a microwave oven.

As, to date, not one has exploded I must assume that the probability of my peril increases with each subsequent potato.
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And what of the helicopters that are circling the towers just before they came down? I guess the resonant frequencies dont affect them...

The cars are from the WTC 6 basement, this is misrepresented in the Beam Weapon article i've read. If the beam weapon was focused enough to damage only part of a car, how did it vaporise an area as wide as the WTC towers?

Have you seen the quantity of dust that building 7's demolition created? I remind you that they only cut the bottom of the building out in that demolition, yet the dust cloud is exactly the same as the WTC dust cloud but obviously it comes up from the ground.

Well, I guess they zapped B7 too, right? Hey, why didn't they zap B7 too?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:11 pm    Post subject: No, I haven't ever put anything in a microwave oven Reply with quote

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:
Please rephrase your first question

RE Your second question - Have you ever put a potato in the microwave without pricking it - it explodes, however it contains no explosives.


MICROWAVE MADNESS

Microwave cooking ovens were first developed by German scientists with a view to eliminating the time-consuming campfire method of preparing food during mobile military operations in the Soviet Union.
After the war the US War Department took the equipment and documentation to the USA to further investigate. The Soviets retrieved some of the devices.
The Russians have done the most extensive research into the subject and into the effects of using the apparatus, eating its products or merely being near - within the energy field - of the food produced.
Their findings resulted in them banning microwave cooking apparatus in 1976 and issuing an international warning : a warning ignored by the emerging multi-billion dollar microwave oven enterprise and its political and media friends.
Food effects include...
decreased bioavailability of vitamin B complex, C and E, essential minerals and lipotropics.
Lowering the vital energy field of food by 60-90%.
Decrease of the metabolic and ingestion capabilty of alkaloids, glucosides, alactosides and nitrilosides : the latter critical in cancer protection.
Structural disintegration of all foods tested.
Creating d-nitrosodiethanolamine, a recognised carcinogen, in meat.
Destabilising active-protein biomolecular compounds.
Creating a "binding effect" between the food and atmospheric radioactivity, causing a pronounced increase in alpha and beta particle saturation in the food.
Producing carcinogens in milk and cereal grains.
Altering the catabolism (metabolic breakdown) of the glucoside and galactoside elements in food thawed by the ovens.
These malformations lead to various changes in the human body...
alteration of the elemental food substances, leading to digestive disorders.
Degeneration of the body's ability to protect itself against certain cancers by way of malfunctions in the lymphatic system.
The formation of carcinogenic free-radicals, due to mutation of trace mineral molecular formations in, particularly, raw root vegetables.
A breakdown of peripheral cellular tissues, leading to degeneration of digestive and excetory processes and an increase of stomach and intestinal cancer.

By being exposed to the radiation from microwave devices, without consuming microwaved food, various effects have been observed...
a breakdown of the life-energy fields increasing relative to the length of exposure time.
Degeneration of cellular-voltage parallels in blood and lymph.
Destabilisation and degeneration of the body's metabolic and digestive processes.
Breakdown and degeneration of the brain's electrical impulse junction potential.
Loss of energy field symmetry in the nerve centres of central and autonomic vernous systems.
Imbalance in the system which controls waking consciousness.
Residual magnetic "deposits" throughout the nervous and lymphatic systems.
Destabilisation and interruption of hormone production in male and female.
A marked increase in the disturbance of alpha, delta and theta wave patterns in the brain.
Loss of memory, an inability to concentrate, interrupted sleep, decreased ability to express emotions or carry out intellectual exercises...

POTENTIAL USE IN MIND CONTROL
The creation of residual magnetic deposits within the nervous and lymphatic systems can effect the neurological systems, particularly within the brain and nerve centres. Depolarisation of tissue neuroelectronic circuits may result.
The psycho-neural receptors of the brain may become more easily influenced by artificially-induced microwave frequency fields from transmission stations and television relay networks.
Soviet neuropsychologists have theorised that subliminal psychotelemetric effects may be used to force subjects to comply with commands received through microwave transmissions acting upon their psychological energy fields.

From the work of William P Kopp
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Fallious wrote:
And what of the helicopters that are circling the towers just before they came down? I guess the resonant frequencies dont affect them...


There were no helipcopters there at point of WTC vapourisation. If you watch 911 Eyewitness again after reading Judy Wood's evidence you'l see this. The copters were possibly involved in some kind of calibrating or observation of damage in my opinion. News helicopters had been banned from the immediate vicinity by that time and the possible DELTA squad 'copters did a runner seconds before vapourisation.

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The cars are from the WTC 6 basement, this is misrepresented in the Beam Weapon article i've read. If the beam weapon was focused enough to damage only part of a car, how did it vaporise an area as wide as the WTC towers?


She is implying that there is a degree of damage done outside of the intended target that's all. It's best to assume that use of these system is not a honed art on this scale at present - certainly not in the middle of a city. The point is we don't know - but what we do know is that the building[s] turned to dust and this cannot be done by conventional means.

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Have you seen the quantity of dust that building 7's demolition created? I remind you that they only cut the bottom of the building out in that demolition, yet the dust cloud is exactly the same as the WTC dust cloud but obviously it comes up from the ground.

Well, I guess they zapped B7 too, right? Hey, why didn't they zap B7 too?


You've not looked into what she is saying. 3 minutes scouting pictures on a site won't help you form a good viewpoint on this. They did a conventional demo on building 7 [which appears true when you look at the differences in how they were destroyed] and possibly on the lower stages of WTC.

Maybe building 7 wasn't done for a reason. That reason was that it contained a lot of the operational data/paperwork [and we know it 'accidently' contained a lot of paper trails on financial irregularitities] so a fire and conventional demo was needed to ensure total destrution and not leave tons of paper flying round the stratosphere as with WTC 1 and 2.

I've had a personal interest in space based tech for a long time. The whole area is layered in covers and the idea promoted that the tech is not quite 'there' yet. This policy began even befoe the global S.D.I. project in the 80s. In addition this is why what Dean Warwick had to say:

http://tinyurl.com/y8w83k

..is interesting.

Also, as much as I liked the Steve Jones research - it failed to account for the pulverisation and dust.

See this 2002 report:

http://www-dateline.ucdavis.edu/021502/DL_wtc.html

especially:
Quote:

In the most thorough analysis yet of the dust and smoke blown through lower Manhattan after the collapse of the World Trade Center, researchers at UC Davis on Monday described unprecedented clouds of very fine particles that should be considered in evaluating rescue workers’ and residents’ health problems.


Quote:
"No one has ever reported a situation like the one we see in the World Trade Center samples," said UC Davis researcher Thomas Cahill, an international authority on the constituents and transport of airborne particles. "The air from Ground Zero was laden with extremely high amounts of very small particles, probably associated with high temperatures in the underground debris pile. Normally, in New York City and in most of the world, situations like this just don’t exist."

Quote:

"Even on the worst air days in Beijing, downwind from coal-fired power plants, or in the Kuwaiti oil fires, we did not see these levels of very fine particulates," Cahill said. The amounts of very fine particles, particularly very fine silicon, decreased sharply during the month of October.

Quote:

"These particles simply should not be there," Cahill said. "It had rained, sometimes heavily, on six days in the prior three weeks. That rain should have settled these coarse particles." The finding suggests that coarse particles were being continually generated from the hot debris pile.


...conventional? Perhaps not.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Utopiated

Your point about the incriminating bits of paper that did not result from building 7 demolition (but lots of paper for WTC1 & 2) is a very interesting point and lends weight to the energy beam theory

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All very interesting but provable to yer average bloke on the street?

This is worth further investigation:

Quote:
MICROWAVE MADNESS

Microwave cooking ovens were first developed by German scientists with a view to eliminating the time-consuming campfire method of preparing food during mobile military operations in the Soviet Union.
After the war the US War Department took the equipment and documentation to the USA to further investigate. The Soviets retrieved some of the devices.
The Russians have done the most extensive research into the subject and into the effects of using the apparatus, eating its products or merely being near - within the energy field - of the food produced.
Their findings resulted in them banning microwave cooking apparatus in 1976 and issuing an international warning : a warning ignored by the emerging multi-billion dollar microwave oven enterprise and its political and media friends.
Food effects include...
decreased bioavailability of vitamin B complex, C and E, essential minerals and lipotropics.
Lowering the vital energy field of food by 60-90%.
Decrease of the metabolic and ingestion capabilty of alkaloids, glucosides, alactosides and nitrilosides : the latter critical in cancer protection.
Structural disintegration of all foods tested.
Creating d-nitrosodiethanolamine, a recognised carcinogen, in meat.
Destabilising active-protein biomolecular compounds.
Creating a "binding effect" between the food and atmospheric radioactivity, causing a pronounced increase in alpha and beta particle saturation in the food.
Producing carcinogens in milk and cereal grains.
Altering the catabolism (metabolic breakdown) of the glucoside and galactoside elements in food thawed by the ovens.
These malformations lead to various changes in the human body...
alteration of the elemental food substances, leading to digestive disorders.
Degeneration of the body's ability to protect itself against certain cancers by way of malfunctions in the lymphatic system.
The formation of carcinogenic free-radicals, due to mutation of trace mineral molecular formations in, particularly, raw root vegetables.
A breakdown of peripheral cellular tissues, leading to degeneration of digestive and excetory processes and an increase of stomach and intestinal cancer.

By being exposed to the radiation from microwave devices, without consuming microwaved food, various effects have been observed...
a breakdown of the life-energy fields increasing relative to the length of exposure time.
Degeneration of cellular-voltage parallels in blood and lymph.
Destabilisation and degeneration of the body's metabolic and digestive processes.
Breakdown and degeneration of the brain's electrical impulse junction potential.
Loss of energy field symmetry in the nerve centres of central and autonomic vernous systems.
Imbalance in the system which controls waking consciousness.
Residual magnetic "deposits" throughout the nervous and lymphatic systems.
Destabilisation and interruption of hormone production in male and female.
A marked increase in the disturbance of alpha, delta and theta wave patterns in the brain.
Loss of memory, an inability to concentrate, interrupted sleep, decreased ability to express emotions or carry out intellectual exercises...

POTENTIAL USE IN MIND CONTROL
The creation of residual magnetic deposits within the nervous and lymphatic systems can effect the neurological systems, particularly within the brain and nerve centres. Depolarisation of tissue neuroelectronic circuits may result.
The psycho-neural receptors of the brain may become more easily influenced by artificially-induced microwave frequency fields from transmission stations and television relay networks.
Soviet neuropsychologists have theorised that subliminal psychotelemetric effects may be used to force subjects to comply with commands received through microwave transmissions acting upon their psychological energy fields.

From the work of William P Kopp


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More here: http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Irradiate-Microwave-Effects-FoodMay96.ht m

I may chuck my mw oven now!
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The beam weapon might be able to make a mess of your dinner but how did it manage to create the explosions reported in the towers on 9/11?

I think that explosives are the more likely cause of the explosions myself.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallious wrote:
If everything was being vaporised, why do numerous buildings around the towers have huge parts of the the external columns stuck them?

How does a beam weapon explain the explosive force which sent the mass of the towers outward?


Thank you, Fallious.

Judy Woods' theory claims that the pools of molten steel left at the base of the destroyed buildings are part of the 'disinformation campaign'.

Thankfully this nonsense is readily dismissed by eyewitness testimony.

http://www.studyof911.com/video/
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Just what do you think goes on at places like area 51? Butlins Holiday Camp

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3935426908707141430&q=area+5 1
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:
Just what do you think goes on at places like area 51? Butlins Holiday Camp

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3935426908707141430&q=area+5 1


No doubt they are working to perfect the time dilation device first tested on 9/11.
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:
Just what do you think goes on at places like area 51? Butlins Holiday Camp

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3935426908707141430&q=area+5 1


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Leiff wrote:
The beam weapon might be able to make a mess of your dinner ...


Laughing

Don't knock it Leiff, everyone's gotta eat! Those handy microwave dinners don't seem so apealing now Surprised

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Also, as much as I liked the Steve Jones research - it failed to account for the pulverisation and dust.


Thermate is only used to cut thick steel, i.e. the core columns, high explosive is used elsewhere. I don't recall Jones claiming thermate was the only demolition tool used.

This Orbital Cannon theory is a divisive non-starter for me in the case of 911, but clearly the US are developing orbital weapons. The PNAC document openly calls for major investment in all the armed forces technologies but especially and specifically space based weaponry.

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Thermate is only used to cut thick steel, i.e. the core columns, high explosive is used elsewhere. I don't recall Jones claiming thermate was the only demolition tool used.


That was my point.

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This Orbital Cannon theory is a divisive non-starter for me in the case of 911, but clearly the US are developing orbital weapons. The PNAC document openly calls for major investment in all the armed forces technologies but especially and specifically space based weaponry.


1. Just because it splits consensus doesn't mean it's a 'non-starter'.

2. Space based tech is way ahead of press releases and certainly functional. The current P.R. we are seeing with re to space weaponisation is more of a public acclimation project than anything else.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non-starter because there is no event that occurred that day that can't be explained with CD. High explosives can & do cause pulverization and dust. The bathtub was damaged. The steel did not vaporize it filled the 7 sub levels and was flung all over the site. Cars burn, when one car burns it can set fire to others. The hole in the roof of WTC6 is nowhere near circular and there is video of an explosion coming from that building anyway.

Until 'Tin-Hat Judy' comes up with something that's inexplicable by CD I'll stick with CD.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: basement blues Reply with quote

Thermate,

here are two photos of clean-up workers walking upright in the first basement sub-level. The basement levels are manifestly not filled with steel debris.

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam4.html

scroll down to figs 311 and 312.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We don't know exactly where those 2 pictures were taken, but in all the other pictures plenty of steel is visible. Highly selective 'steel vaporizer' this beam weapon must be Laughing
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