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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject: people are making money out of this 911 conspiracy stuff Reply with quote

and why not? we've got to live.

how about encouraging business and trading between 911 truthers?

there are ways of combining business with campaigning.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said!
We need to help each other!!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a thorny issue isn't it?

I have heard it said many times that, if our "mission" is to "get the information out there", commercialisation can of some kind can help. It seems that these days some charities go overboard with this, but they tell us it brings in more money to do more charity work. Who knows the actual truth.

But there are, of course, people selling DVDs at > material cost price, but are they making money? Probably yes!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a double edged sword that anyone if they truly wish can pick holes into.

We wish to spread the information freely, but the information is more palatable with money to back it. You charge for the information to make the information easier to digest and distribute.

Its a cycle thats easily criticised.

I think AJ does it best. Please pay for it, but if you cant afford to or just dont want to download it off of google, just get it out there folks.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is a thorny issue isn't it?

I have heard it said many times that, if our "mission" is to "get the information out there", commercialisation can of some kind can help. It seems that these days some charities go overboard with this, but they tell us it brings in more money to do more charity work. Who knows the actual truth.

But there are, of course, people selling DVDs at > material cost price, but are they making money? Probably yes!


This is an interesting area.

No doubt there are many of us who have their own businesses who would be willing to donate a big chunk of any profit they make from any transaction.

The business I am involved in is one that the majority of forum users will use and my gross profit on each transaction would typically range between £400 and £1,500.

I would be willing to forego half of my gross profit on any transaction to be paid directly to nineeleven.co.uk or back to the individual if they would use it for campaigning.

I did suggest a few months ago that everybody pays £10 a month into a cental kitty but nobody was interested.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think as soon as someone starts collecting money for a group of people, everyone starts looking very hard at the person holding the purse strings. Particularly round here, where people are quite rightly wary about the identity of anyone who might try to lead or administrate things.

Anyway, nothing wrong with making money while spreading the message, generally the people who grasp at this have run out of other arguments. Just to remind folks, a 'non profit organization' doesn't necessarily provide it's services for free, it simply means it's channelling all it's donations / profits back into the campaign.

A healthy NPO is a nice endorsement of it's mission.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although technically it should really be termed a 'Not for Profit' Organisation. If we have to operate within a commercial culture (and we do), a profit margin is absolutely necessary to act as a buffer for cashflow.

It's when pursuit of profit to the exclusion of all else becomes the driving force that you'll find yourself sliding down that ol' slippery slope.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite, not for profit means just that. It doesn't mean you have to operate without money, simply that nobody is actually profiting.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think right now they only make enough to cover events which is fair enough.

Profit should go back into the campaign.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A concern that was put to me (I asked elsewhere on the board here) was people seem to be happy making videos, leaflets, posters, T shirts and all manner of multi-media / merchandise, pouring endlessly over different angles of pieces of 'evidence' but I can't find anyone who is actively building a case in a structured manner.

Five years on, I would have thought the time for awareness building would have peaked and a group of people dedicated to getting this into court would have emerged.

Apologies if that sounds a bit sceptical but if nobody is going to face the music is 9/11 Truth anything more than a hobby?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The corruption extends to the courts - even if this was put before a court it would be a whitewash ------ The only answer is civil disobedience on a mass scale ----------and it will come to that-------------but by then it will be too late because the police state and all their new tools of the trade will be operational----------we are all currently being sleepwalked into their prisons of the mind.

Our parliament is full of chicken *, smarmy, gravy chasing perverts who we have elected to represent us - yet not one has stood up in Parliament and said 911 was an inside job - so it's pointless writing to them.

Public opinion is shaped and formed by the mainstream media which is completely under the perps control -- so it's pointless writing to them.

Andrew Johnson has written to the entire police force to alert them of this evil --- they have done nothing -----so it's pointless writing to them.

And when the ID cards and RFID chips become compulsory most of the population will meekly go along with it ----as will most of you---------I can hear you now saying "NO WAY IS ANYONE PUTTING ONE OF THEM CHIPS IN MY ARM"-------------------Well if you do want to avoid it you better get yourself into farming and become self sufficient or get your garages stocked up with food cos you will need the RFID chip to do your shopping

Let me put it another way:

Imagine that the population of UK is before a firing squad and there are 60 million of us in line and we are all being murdered (going from left to right)--------------Let's imagine you are in the middle or on the right

So if you do nothing ---your gonna get shot OK------------how long are you gonna wait till you do something? The answer is when you are out of your comfort zone

Come on admit it you are waiting for the time the PERPS ask you to do something you don't wanna do which is outside your comfort zone.

----THATS THE PROBLEM ---YOU NEED TO TAKE MASSIVE ACTION WHEN YOU ARE IN YOUR COMFORT ZONE

AND THAT TIME IS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  !!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote;

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The business I am involved in is one that the majority of forum users will use and my gross profit on each transaction would typically range between £400 and £1,500.


It is good to know that even someone who works in the administration side of the lap dancing industry is prepared to cough up when needed.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote:


----THATS THE PROBLEM ---YOU NEED TO TAKE MASSIVE ACTION WHEN YOU ARE IN YOUR COMFORT ZONE

AND THAT TIME IS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  !!!!


I agree lets see how inventive and clever we can be. What are you suggesting?

How about highly mobile 911 truth patrols tp start with?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peloloco wrote;

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How about highly mobile 911 truth patrols tp start with?


Bagsy we use uniforms with little red lightning flashes on. As for 'highly' mobile, we could hire a helicopter.



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject: back on topic Reply with quote

I think that we do have to start thinking about pooling resources. In the past and in some cultures gift exchange was and is socially binding. It is only when the gift is turned into a commodity it losses its power.

A gift has worth and I would be willing to give what I can as a gift to future generations as long as it is consumed and used for the right reason and not sitting a bank account.

"Only when the increase of gifts move with the gift may the accumulated wealth of our spirit continue to grow among us, so that each of us may enter, and may be revived by, a vitality beyond his or her solitary powers."

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

telecasterisation wrote:
peloloco wrote;

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How about highly mobile 911 truth patrols tp start with?


Bagsy we use uniforms with little red lightning flashes on. As for 'highly' mobile, we could hire a helicopter.



Na not green enough, hang gliders i say



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Notes & Queries Reply with quote

Notes & Queries

That's a microlite.

And look at all that litter!

Not green enough!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Powered by recycled media bs and printed on rice paper mr flamesong.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Powered by recycled media bs and printed on rice paper mr flamesong.

So, it's purely conceptual, then. It's still not a hang glider.

I use pre-recycled paper for leaflets!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely! a creative concept that could fly on its own or be shot down in flames.

Some imaginative stunts could be good for the cause and may even get in the media, cheeky rather than disobedient, creative rather than destructive.

We should have an ideas Thread and the best ones can be funded by whoever thinks it is a good idea..... or not.

Creativity will save us



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flamesong wrote:

I use pre-recycled paper for leaflets!


pre-recycled paper - paper that is going to be recycled?

whilst i agree that most mps, courts, police & media are corrupt,
there are a few glimmers of hope. and whilst writing to them is one means of communication,
a follow-up demo would show them you mean business.

norman baker mp is investigating dr david kelly's death,
asked blair about his bilderberg attendance and has doubts about 911.

jeremy corbyn mp has been heard saying he will look into 911.

michael meacher mp was one of the first people to question 911 and still does.
paul bustow mp asked the government if visor consultants played a roll in 7/7. the official answer was no.

police officers read books, even 'alice in wonderland and the world trade centre disaster' by david icke.
this is a well researched book on 911.
although some on this forum would prefer you don't read it because it has other information they think you don't need to know.

911 wasn't a crime on british soil so i don't think the police can officially investigate but 7/7...

i think we need to create sub-groups on this forum or elsewhere, maybe myspace,
of people willing to do more than just talk. 'a coalition of the willing' if you like.
talk & type is cheap and we could still be typing into this forum when they break down our doors.

also people should take a look at other more established/successful campaigns that have been sidelined by the mainstream.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pre-recycled paper - paper that is going to be recycled?

Essentially, yes. It's a bit of a trade secret. But it is far greener than recycled paper as it doesn't use the energy which recycling does. My Curious Incident of the Log of the Flight-Times flier is being produced this way.

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911 wasn't a crime on british soil so i don't think the police can officially investigate...

I seem to remember from studying Government and Politics that according to the fragmented British constitution, the UK government can pass laws anywhere in the world. This does sound a bit far fetched and I remember asking how this works in practice - the answer was a bit like the scene from Life of Brian where the Peoples' Front of Judea (or was it The Judean Peoples' Front?) declared that a man amongst them had the right to bear children. It is probably a hangover from the Empire.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know about hampton but my view was that we should be in a situation to offer help and expertise to one another not necessarily make a packet off of joe public!
There is enough of us now and we come from all walks of life we should have a network in place to help and protect each other Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discodestroyer is right.
We are the resources.
Also if we see ourselves as a fixed minority perhaps we always will be....

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