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 Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: Hunt the thermite |
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A column in the Towers cut by thermite or any other cutting charge as part of a CD would most probably end up looking like this (top centre) :
Well, below there's a link to a massive image of GZ which includes a huge number of fallen columns. If we assume 50% of the columns needed cutting on 30% of the floors, then about 1 in 6 should show signs of cut ends. Or whatever figure you fancy ... (I found 1 quite quickly)
Fill your boots. Please crop/edit to show the bevelled thermite cuts and iron slag blackening (the image is huge. Beware if you don't have broadband) -
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Wtc-photo.jpg
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Does Gravity in the title suggest anything to you?
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Excellent. Now find the thermite cuts in the photo.
Or are you, as marky would say, "in denial" and scared to have a look?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Excellent. Now find the thermite cuts in the photo.
Or are you, as marky would say, "in denial" and scared to have a look? |
wtf? you want us to find a thermate cut? i presume you mean like thermates(the poster) picture?
firstly what date was it taken? just to clarify how long they had to remove the beams before the actual picture was taken.
secondly its still from a long way up the diggers appear very small and i doubt the steel beams are as wide or am i wrong? so your asking us to look for a needle in a haystack.
also you carnt see any angled cuts from a top down veiw, they would appear normal, ie rectangular.
if im wrong about what we are looking for please explain. |
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think i get what you mean now, you want us to look for the beams that were cut away from the other parts and will be loosely laying around?
if so a few problems:
1. it is mostly outer wall we can see and is blocking what is under it.
2. the rubble goes underground another 6 floors, thats a lot of debris we carnt see.
but from what is visible i have'nt seen one so far, but even then if i did i dont know how i gonna tell you which ones they are so you can see. the 100th beam on the right next to the beam is 50 beams up from the bottom  |
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marky wrote;
| Quote: | | wtf? you want us to find a thermate cut? i presume you mean like thermates(the poster) picture? |
marky - The first picture posted by Ignatz IS Thermate's picture, (although the latter is a sectional enlargement).
I am confused as to what good the large image of WTC supplied by Ignatz is?
How can you identify any angles on vertical columns when the shot is taken from above? I would also conclude that the vast majority of the internal central supports are buried and not visible. This is a very poor image with which to supply what is requested, it is the equivalent of a 'loaded' picture, spartan in specifics, taken from a distance and showing only the very surface of the debris field. Why would what is requested be on the top?
Try again Ignatz - this is nowhere near suitable for the task at hand.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Hunt the thermite |
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| Ignatz wrote: | | A column in the Towers cut by thermite or any other cutting charge as part of a CD would most probably end up looking like this (top centre) : |
I would add that you say the picture supplied shows how the WTC columns would look if thermite had been used?
Yet isn't the picture OF the WTC?
http://www.rense.com/general70/pphe.htm
Surely you have supplied the very image that you have requested others to supply?
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Ignatz
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Hunt the thermite |
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| telecasterisation wrote: | | Ignatz wrote: | | A column in the Towers cut by thermite or any other cutting charge as part of a CD would most probably end up looking like this (top centre) : |
I would add that you say the picture supplied shows how the WTC columns would look if thermite had been used?
Yet isn't the picture OF the WTC?
http://www.rense.com/general70/pphe.htm |
I was suggesting that CD'd steel columns would most likely be cut at that kind of angle. I believe that's how it's done, to prevent columns just settling down again on the cut surfaces.
Yes, of course the picture is from WTC. Not even Thermate has had the gall to suggest it's evidence of thermate though. It's been cut down by steel workers.
As for the overhead photo of GZ - it strikes me that a great many of those columns are lying plenty flat enough to detect a 45 degree cut. Also, somewhere top centre of the main debris field there's a crane stacking columns in a neat horizontal pile, presumably to be transported away. No signs of cut or blackened ends that I noticed, though I'm on the poxy school network right now and can't crop that bit out to post for your perusal. Will do it tomorrow hopefully.
But the principle remains the same. Perhaps a CTist somewhere, someday, could show evidence of hundreds (thousands?) of cut columns? They can use the photo provided, or others, or films. Even a conservative estimate of the number of columns that require cutting ought to leave plenty of evidence just "lying around". The 30 biggest columns on each of only 40 floors = 1200 cuts.
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| marky 54 wrote: | secondly its still from a long way up the diggers appear very small and i doubt the steel beams are as wide or am i wrong? so your asking us to look for a needle in a haystack.
also you carnt see any angled cuts from a top down veiw, they would appear normal, ie rectangular.
if im wrong about what we are looking for please explain. |
Get it into a photo viewer or editor. Use the zoom options.
A top-down view of a vertical box column would, as you point out, just show a rectangular hole. Look around the photo closely and you can find a few of these, but very few.
Bear in mind the wall sections were prefabricated, 3 columns wide and 3 storeys tall. Wall sections are mostly easy to spot. Sections of core columns are very easy to tell apart from wall columns.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Hunt the thermite |
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| Ignatz wrote: | | telecasterisation wrote: | | Ignatz wrote: | | A column in the Towers cut by thermite or any other cutting charge as part of a CD would most probably end up looking like this (top centre) : |
I would add that you say the picture supplied shows how the WTC columns would look if thermite had been used?
Yet isn't the picture OF the WTC?
http://www.rense.com/general70/pphe.htm |
I was suggesting that CD'd steel columns would most likely be cut at that kind of angle. I believe that's how it's done, to prevent columns just settling down again on the cut surfaces.
Yes, of course the picture is from WTC. Not even Thermate has had the gall to suggest it's evidence of thermate though. It's been cut down by steel workers.
As for the overhead photo of GZ - it strikes me that a great many of those columns are lying plenty flat enough to detect a 45 degree cut. Also, somewhere top centre of the main debris field there's a crane stacking columns in a neat horizontal pile, presumably to be transported away. No signs of cut or blackened ends that I noticed, though I'm on the poxy school network right now and can't crop that bit out to post for your perusal. Will do it tomorrow hopefully.
But the principle remains the same. Perhaps a CTist somewhere, someday, could show evidence of hundreds (thousands?) of cut columns? They can use the photo provided, or others, or films. Even a conservative estimate of the number of columns that require cutting ought to leave plenty of evidence just "lying around". The 30 biggest columns on each of only 40 floors = 1200 cuts. |
I knew you'd have a bash at weasling out of this and indeed you did.
The point you clearly made is that a column would look just like that in the image you provided. Yet then you say, no, this was done by steel workers. So this presents you with a major problem - you are asking for columns to be highlighted that appear to have been cut through with charges - but the ones cut by steel workers will look identical!!!!
So marky highlights an angled cut and you say, no, it could easily have been done by steel workers. Either you didn't think this through or you didn't realise the first image you posted was from the WTC.
This entire thread just collapsed and no thermite/thermate was involved.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Hunt the thermite |
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| telecasterisation wrote: | I knew you'd have a bash at weasling out of this and indeed you did.
The point you clearly made is that a column would look just like that in the image you provided. Yet then you say, no, this was done by steel workers. So this presents you with a major problem - you are asking for columns to be highlighted that appear to have been cut through with charges - but the ones cut by steel workers will look identical!!!!
So marky highlights an angled cut and you say, no, it could easily have been done by steel workers. Either you didn't think this through or you didn't realise the first image you posted was from the WTC.
This entire thread just collapsed and no thermite/thermate was involved. |
Now you're being wildly provocative purely for the sake of a squabble. You do that sometimes. Why?
The photo is presented as an example of how a cut column would look, in terms of angle of cut, iron slag, blackening. You know this.
Back to the point of the OP please. Find some thermite cuts. In that photo, or somewhere else. I really don't mind. There should be plenty. Look in the middle of the debris field. I seriously doubt if steel workers were out there cutting stuff down at the time the photo was taken.
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| Quote: | It's been cut down by steel workers.
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You know that, right? I'm not saying it wasn't, but just seeking confirmation you know for sure that it was.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Hunt the thermite |
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| Ignatz wrote: | | telecasterisation wrote: | I knew you'd have a bash at weasling out of this and indeed you did.
The point you clearly made is that a column would look just like that in the image you provided. Yet then you say, no, this was done by steel workers. So this presents you with a major problem - you are asking for columns to be highlighted that appear to have been cut through with charges - but the ones cut by steel workers will look identical!!!!
So marky highlights an angled cut and you say, no, it could easily have been done by steel workers. Either you didn't think this through or you didn't realise the first image you posted was from the WTC.
This entire thread just collapsed and no thermite/thermate was involved. |
Now you're being wildly provocative purely for the sake of a squabble. You do that sometimes. Why?
The photo is presented as an example of how a cut column would look, in terms of angle of cut, iron slag, blackening. You know this.
Back to the point of the OP please. Find some thermite cuts. In that photo, or somewhere else. I really don't mind. There should be plenty. Look in the middle of the debris field. I seriously doubt if steel workers were out there cutting stuff down at the time the photo was taken. |
Nope, you know the pointlessness of your task now - clearly not thought through;
It has nothing whatsoever to do with columns being cut at the time the photo was taken - you said;
| Quote: | | Also, somewhere top centre of the main debris field there's a crane stacking columns in a neat horizontal pile, presumably to be transported away. |
The columns have already been cut - I ask again, from the height the picture was taken - how can you differentiate thermite cuts from those of cutting tools post-event?
Don't waffle - answer the question.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Hunt the thermite |
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It has nothing whatsoever to do with columns being cut at the time the photo was taken - you said;
| Quote: | | Also, somewhere top centre of the main debris field there's a crane stacking columns in a neat horizontal pile, presumably to be transported away. |
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If it makes it any easier for you to understand, then by all means choose the middle of the debris field that cranes and cutters haven't reached yet.
Or you could just avoid the central issue of the OP yet again - provide evidence of substantial numbers of diagonally cut steel columns. Any photo or film will do. Off you go now ...
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Hunt the thermite |
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| Ignatz wrote: | | telecasterisation wrote: |
It has nothing whatsoever to do with columns being cut at the time the photo was taken - you said;
| Quote: | | Also, somewhere top centre of the main debris field there's a crane stacking columns in a neat horizontal pile, presumably to be transported away. |
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If it makes it any easier for you to understand, then by all means choose the middle of the debris field that cranes and cutters haven't reached yet.
Or you could just avoid the central issue of the OP yet again - provide evidence of substantial numbers of diagonally cut steel columns. Any photo or film will do. Off you go now ... |
how would we know they were not cut by firemen clearing up the site?  because i kinda sense the excuse when one or two are found if anyone can be bothered in the first place. we search find some show them to you, and of you go on a debunk attempt.
so of we go to find more and so on and so forth just to waste our time. |
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All right, I'll play along...
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