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SHERITON HOTEL
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I know it sounds like a really obvious question but has anyone ever investigated where these critics are coming from and who. if anyone is, financing them? There was that famous geek on the day vox popping on the NY streets saying something to the effect ...and then I watched the buildings come down, mostly due to structural failure due to the intense fire Has anyone identified him?
...then there's the network pushing exotic fantasies! |
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Something we've all wondered at some time, I'm sure Sheriton.
If anything, their activities seem to have increased since the November elections too.
I'd hazard a guess there's some surprise that neutralising some of the 'Bush hatred' hasn't lanced the boil by any means. |
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ian neal
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According to some digging by The watcher and Andrew Johnson some critics have particular behaviours / profiles that raise questions but ....
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=3072&postdays=0&post order=asc&start=0
I'm not great on the technical side but Andrew may be able to offer a more informed opinion
I would just assume that some critics are not what they say they are but most probably are. Who knows |
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chek
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| Interesting link Ian - thanks for posting that. |
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IronSnot
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: |
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I personally don't think the JREF critics coming here are shills. But there would definitely be some on the JREF forum.
It's interesting that Rodriguez the Janitor and James Randi (JREF owner) are good mates. That needs a little more light in my view. |
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SHERITON HOTEL
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Has Alex Jones investigated the "911 inside job denier industry"? wouldn't that be another smoking gun?
(James Randi never disproved the Enfield Poltergeist, but I digress) |
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Thermate
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I dug into a couple debunking sites and they all led to the same anonymous web registration site.. and share page design formats, heh. Alternatively if you do the same for this site it comes up with a name, what seems like a jewish name, but still.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| IronSnot wrote: | | I personally don't think the JREF critics coming here are shills. |
Hmm. Not even Jay Ref who puts in 8 hour working days five days per week and has weekends off?
This comment makes me even more suspiciuous of you Ironsnot. You seem to be the guy who wants everybody to know that 9/11 was an 'inside job' but has no interest whatever in the 'who' or the 'why'. This is an attitude that makes no sense to me at all.
Psychologically speaking, people who agree with the Official Conspiracy Theory have nothing to fight for unless they are paid.
Their side is winning hands down, isn't it? It holds all the key positions for disseminating propaganda. If they didn't read forums like this their little minds would hardly ever be disturbed by 9/11 truthers.
How can there be any other serious motivation for these people other than a paycheck?....unless they feel personally threatened, for whatever reason, by exposure of the 9/11 crime. |
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Pikey
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A genuine positive 911 truth campaigner would utilise their limited and valued energy in a more productive way than expending time on these characters, shills, trolls, agent provaceuters, etc
They remind me of the attention seeking school bully on the school playground, just there to cause trouble and with the purpose of spoiling it for the majority on this website who visit here for the right reasons. to educate and research the information from another perspective for themselves.
They toptally abuse the goodwill of the moderators who allow them to continue their damaging typical establishment playing the man not the ball practice.
IMHO this thread should be were it belongs, in Critics Corner!
Every time you engage with these characters when they escape from Critics corner, that thread, with its usual uncivil, insulting, disrespectful, intimidating content goes to the top of the list on the front page (which is likely to be their objective). This imo is damaging to us to encourage newcomers to stick around.
Wonder what would happen if the 911 truth community who support the purpose of this website just completely ignore them from now on. Unless of course they supply evidence to substantaite the official conspiracy theory they reiterate.
May I suggest that from now on we employ that tactic so they can be left to entertain each other in critics corner and perhaps instead employ that wasted energy in making a contribution to the cause by walking the talk.
Maybe then these characters will become extinct in 2007!
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marky 54
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| Pikey wrote: | A genuine positive 911 truth campaigner would utilise their limited and valued energy in a more productive way than expending time on these characters, shills, trolls, agent provaceuters, etc
They remind me of the attention seeking school bully on the school playground, just there to cause trouble and with the purpose of spoiling it for the majority on this website who visit here for the right reasons. to educate and research the information from another perspective for themselves.
They toptally abuse the goodwill of the moderators who allow them to continue their damaging typical establishment playing the man not the ball practice.
IMHO this thread should be were it belongs, in Critics Corner!
Every time you engage with these characters when they escape from Critics corner, that thread, with its usual uncivil, insulting, disrespectful, intimidating content goes to the top of the list on the front page (which is likely to be their objective). This imo is damaging to us to encourage newcomers to stick around.
Wonder what would happen if the 911 truth community who support the purpose of this website just completely ignore them from now on. Unless of course they supply evidence to substantaite the official conspiracy theory they reiterate.
May I suggest that from now on we employ that tactic so they can be left to entertain each other in critics corner and perhaps instead employ that wasted energy in making a contribution to the cause by walking the talk.
Maybe then these characters will become extinct in 2007! |
i disagree, i have given them time to debunk any information i have found, in most cases they have a comment or 10 about how certain things cannot be possible(regardless of if its convincing). however have found they do not like to comment on flight 93 with the same passion and have found it to be one area no one has been able to explain when questioning. instead it gets ignored. |
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IronSnot
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Hmm. Not even Jay Ref who puts in 8 hour working days five days per week and has weekends off? |
Well he must have a boring job then, and based on a review I saw of his, weekends are probably for flirting. And JFYI there's a poster over on the Guardian who has 13,000 posts to her/his name and this on a board where threads are regularly deleted. I don't think Jay get's close to that.
As I said I think there would be shills on the JREF board, but if they come over here, it would not be part (in my view) of the JREF invasion. Most of the JREFrs are just normal people, like me and y... ahhh scrub that, they're normal people, not shills, KBO234. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| chek wrote: | Something we've all wondered at some time, I'm sure Sheriton.
If anything, their activities seem to have increased since the November elections too.
I'd hazard a guess there's some surprise that neutralising some of the 'Bush hatred' hasn't lanced the boil by any means. |
There was a marked increase since Shayler mentioned the NPT on Sky news. I wonder why that is?
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IronSnot
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| prole art threat wrote: | | There was a marked increase since Shayler mentioned the NPT on Sky news. I wonder why that is? |
Active imagination? |
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| IronSnot wrote: | | prole art threat wrote: | | There was a marked increase since Shayler mentioned the NPT on Sky news. I wonder why that is? |
Active imagination? |
No. Active observation.
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kbo234
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| IronSnot wrote: | | kbo234 wrote: | | Hmm. Not even Jay Ref who puts in 8 hour working days five days per week and has weekends off? |
Well he must have a boring job then, and based on a review I saw of his, weekends are probably for flirting. And JFYI there's a poster over on the Guardian who has 13,000 posts to her/his name and this on a board where threads are regularly deleted. I don't think Jay get's close to that.
As I said I think there would be shills on the JREF board, but if they come over here, it would not be part (in my view) of the JREF invasion. Most of the JREFrs are just normal people, like me and y... ahhh scrub that, they're normal people, not shills, KBO234. |
I know absolutely nothing about the JREF board and said nothing about 'they' who come over here. I did say that the poster Jay Ref is a paid propagandist whose job it is to attack this site (with lying rubbish). Anyone who disagrees with this can only be a fool.
Most of the JRef people might be normal but your posts are not. They are aggressive, pointlessly rude and focussed on attacking anyone who posts about the activities and history of bankers, Zionists, Freemasons, the intelligence services and the connections between them.....in fact any group that might have have had the capacity to organise a crime like 9/11.
Your committment to 9/11 truthing is a mystery because your own views are undisclosed and therefore utterly opaque. Personally, reading the posts of most forum members I gets a sense of individuals grasping, however clumsily, towards a deeper understanding of the issues that surround 9/11.
You seem to be very clear what you views are, but the knuckle-dragging negativity and dull hostile certainty of your pronouncements afford no insight whatsoever into your views or motivation.
You really do get aggressive, however, when the issue is raised of how Zionism and the Jewish community have been used by bankers to further their interests over the past century and more. This, to me is completely new information that I knew nothing about 15 months ago. It is also information that seems to me and many others to be more than relevant to the understanding of how 9/11 came about.
If you are a normal person Ironsnot, what kind of normal person are you? Come on, tell us a little of what you think about who carried out the 9/11 attacks and why. Be brave. |
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IronSnot
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| kbo234 wrote: | | I did say that the poster Jay Ref is a paid propagandist whose job it is to attack this site (with lying rubbish). Anyone who disagrees with this can only be a fool. |
Jay Ref isn't that hard to find, and I've seen enough of his stuff elsewhere to think otherwise.
| Quote: | | in fact any group that might have have had the capacity to organise a crime like 9/11. |
Like the american government?
| Quote: | | because your own views are undisclosed and therefore utterly opaque. |
The American Government, or a part of it at least, with the help of parts of it's military, intelligence and corporate entities carried out 9/11. They trained the hijackers.
| Quote: | | You seem to be very clear what you views are |
To the rubbish you post, yes.
| Quote: | | You really do get aggressive, however, when the issue is raised of how Zionism and the Jewish community |
Because anything you ever post along these lines is *. The last one posted for example was a bloody satire site, which you took as gospel. (I note that you've been able to get this rather embarrassing thread deleted)
| Quote: | | Come on, tell us a little of what you think about who carried out the 9/11 attacks and why. Be brave. |
Detailed above. |
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paul wright
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IronSnot
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And the point here is that you think your own words are wise enough to link to?
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