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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Which is the bigger risk? Reply with quote

If planes had never been smashed into buidings before, how on earth would they know if the 9/11 plan would be successful? What if half of the plane had landed in the street exposing the fact that there was no bloody passengers in it, let alone hijackers? Stop being so bloody stupid and blind.

Using a missile would solve this problem. If you really think there is no holographic technology out there that can cloak missiles in this day and age, then you are being as daft as brushes.

Think. Start thinking and stop succumbing to disinformation from the PTB. Start thinking. RIGHT NOW!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If planes had never been smashed into buidings before, how on earth would they know if the 9/11 plan would be successful?


They knew the planes wouldnt bring down the buildings. They were designed to be impacted by several similar sized aircraft.

It was the explosives planted that would ensure their plan went ahead they way they wanted it to.



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: Which is the bigger risk? Reply with quote

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If planes had never been smashed into buidings before, how on earth would they know if the 9/11 plan would be successful? What if half of the plane had landed in the street exposing the fact that there was no bloody passengers in it, let alone hijackers? Stop being so bloody stupid and blind.

Using a missile would solve this problem. If you really think there is no holographic technology out there that can cloak missiles in this day and age, then you are being as daft as brushes.

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You have already answered this point yourself in another thread. You stated that technology is fantastically advanced, years ahead of what we actually know. I pointed out that bombs can be 'flown' through individual windows with pinpoint accuracy. Flying a relatively slow moving aircraft into a building wider than its own wingspan would be a piece of cake. No more or less difficult than a missile.

Say the missile failed to detonate, or a section dropped into the street? What if the holographic projector malfunctioned mid-scenario?

To start throwing around 'Stop being so bloody stupid and blind' - when your own theory carries EXACTLY the same risks, is the stance of someone who has not thought it through.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: Which is the bigger risk? Reply with quote

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If planes had never been smashed into buidings before, how on earth would they know if the 9/11 plan would be successful? What if half of the plane had landed in the street exposing the fact that there was no bloody passengers in it, let alone hijackers? Stop being so bloody stupid and blind.

Using a missile would solve this problem. If you really think there is no holographic technology out there that can cloak missiles in this day and age, then you are being as daft as brushes.

Think.


You have already answered this point yourself in another thread. You stated that technology is fantastically advanced, years ahead of what we actually know. I pointed out that bombs can be 'flown' through individual windows with pinpoint accuracy. Flying a relatively slow moving aircraft into a building wider than its own wingspan would be a piece of cake. No more or less difficult than a missile.

Say the missile failed to detonate, or a section dropped into the street? What if the holographic projector malfunctioned mid-scenario?

To start throwing around 'Stop being so bloody stupid and blind' - when your own theory carries EXACTLY the same risks, is the stance of someone who has not thought it through.


Why dont you get your arse into critics corner where you belong?

But what about the fukking plane dropping in the fukking street , silly bollox? Answer that fukker!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If planes had never been smashed into buidings before, how on earth would they know if the 9/11 plan would be successful?


They knew the planes wouldnt bring down the buildings. They were designed to be impacted by several similar sized aircraft.

It was the explosives planted that would ensure their plan went ahead they way they wanted it to.



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Read my post. I didnt say they would bring down the buildings I said what if the fukking plane had smashed and landed in the fukking street? Read my posts and stop dribbling down your sweater.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But what about the fukking plane dropping in the fukking street , silly bollox? Answer that fukker!


Mods, is there really any reason or excuse for this sort of language?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I apologise for swearing but I am sick and tired of being called a 'shill', 'owl', 'agent provocateur' as well as having my theories rubbished by Telecaster who hasnt even got one of his own. That is such an easy position to be in, not being brave enough to actually stand by a theory of one's but just play devil's advocate all the time and dismantle everybody elses.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But what about the fukking plane dropping in the fukking street , silly bollox? Answer that fukker!


Mods, is there really any reason or excuse for this sort of language?


Probably not, but Prole apologised which is fairly decent of him so I dont see a particular need to intervene now

Of course I fundamentally dis-agree with Prole on this No Planes issue: but I do respect him for his passion and the courage to back what he feels is right and consider him to be genuine

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

would it be impossible to make a missle to be the same size/shape of an aircraft? i dont see why they would need a hologram and they would of hit the target easily and know it would enter the building, and maybe would explain why it exited out the other side and appears to have no windows on the craft. and explain why the plane dosnt brake up when hitting, we are assuming the wings ect are made of aliminium, maybe not if built to act like a bunker buster. i believe this over holograms/no planes, but i dont know its just a thought that could maybe explain some of the issues with impact.
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do missles of the kind have thermate inside? could that explain the reaction on the outer wall?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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would it be impossible to make a missle to be the same size/shape of an aircraft? ....


Easy. And to make it convincing they'd put windows in it and paint it like a commercial airliner, and fit it with airliner engines Then have it travel the same speed as an airliner ...

Then they'd all say "D'oh! Why didn't we just use an airliner all along??"

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I apologise for swearing but I am sick and tired of being called a 'shill', 'owl', 'agent provocateur' as well as having my theories rubbished by Telecaster who hasnt even got one of his own. That is such an easy position to be in, not being brave enough to actually stand by a theory of one's but just play devil's advocate all the time and dismantle everybody elses.


I apologise too, namely for dismantling your theories. I also acknowledge it is praiseworthy that someone admits their view has been deconstructed and squashed, most wouldn't admit such a thing. I respect you Prole.

It is also important to highlight that I have actually agreed with you in that yes, a section of either aircraft falling into the street below would be disastrous if empty. However, whatever scenario you concoct would have its risks.

You yourself have arrived at the NP conclusion following lengthy scrutiny of the 9/11 subject, aspects of it being suspect. The visuals surrounding the WTC impact/s were somehow artificial, missing wings, unrealistic looking aircraft, too heavily fortified building construction to allow a simple aluminium aircraft to penetrate.

I am also pointed out as being ‘Devil’s Advocate’, which is a fair comment from the perspective of someone who has made their mind up like yourself. I view 9/11 as an ongoing investigation; I don’t yet know exactly what happened, and like any good investigator, I don’t take sides. I also believe it is far more courageous to say “I don’t know what happened on 9/11’ – than simply jump onto the nearest bandwagon as it passes, changing allegiances and beliefs every few weeks.

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I apologise too, namely for dismantling your theories. I also acknowledge it is praiseworthy that someone admits their view has been deconstructed and squashed, most wouldn't admit such a thing. I respect you Prole.

It is also important to highlight that I have actually agreed with you in that yes, a section of either aircraft falling into the street below would be disastrous if empty. However, whatever scenario you concoct would have its risks.

You yourself have arrived at the NP conclusion following lengthy scrutiny of the 9/11 subject, aspects of it being suspect. The visuals surrounding the WTC impact/s were somehow artificial, missing wings, unrealistic looking aircraft, too heavily fortified building construction to allow a simple aluminium aircraft to penetrate.

I am also pointed out as being ‘Devil’s Advocate’, which is a fair comment from the perspective of someone who has made their mind up like yourself. I view 9/11 as an ongoing investigation; I don’t yet know exactly what happened, and like any good investigator, I don’t take sides. I also believe it is far more courageous to say “I don’t know what happened on 9/11’ – than simply jump onto the nearest bandwagon as it passes, changing allegiances and beliefs every few weeks.


Cheers for that, Tele! I do actually enjoy bringing my theories to you because even though you attempt to deconstuct them, you do it in a positive manner and with a sense of humour. Please let's carry on with how it was, you are a challenging beggar and I love a challenge! Smile

I just tied all you anti-planers to the same brush yesterday and let rip a bit. I am passionate about and got a bit hot headed. Embarassed Anyway,dont fear I will be bringing more NPT food for thought to the table of discussion and as always I shall be looking forward to you all either savouring it, turning your noses up at it or most probably vomiting it out! Heh heh. Laughing

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Prole its just that you seem to want to go around the farm to get to the barn.

Why on earth would they go to such rediculous and outlandish measures just to do something a rigged up jetliner and a few tonnes of explosives could do.

Those security sweeps they did weeks and months before 9/11 when they had the perfect oppurtunity to set up explosives in key positions...was it infact installing some kind of holoprojection device or something? Or where they checking to make sure that nothing would interfere with the plan?

I mean come on dude you have been watching to many movies.

I have been studying the likes of Tesla and have been interested in science and particularly biology and physics since I was a child. I know whats possible and im not going to say that technology isnt infact leaps and bounds ahead of what we know today.

But dude you just have to wake up to reality sooner or later becuase basicaly whether you are right or wrong one thing is for CERTAIN. You are cuasing problems, and if you arnt part of the solution you are apart of the problem.

Im not saying you get in line, shut up and be a good slave like the rest of us. I am simply saying that you have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with you on the how. But guess what, I think its pretty clear that we all agree on the who.

So why not just let it be for now until we can at least get our foot in the door. Dude you just have to stop pushing your way or the highway becuase you are cuasing contention that just isnt needed right now.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will pose the question once again, the silent question that nobody wants to hear



What if a large portion of the plane had fallen into the street or just wedged it's arse into the building like the one that hit the Empire State Building many moons ago?

This would have exposed the fact that there were NO PASSENGERS OR HIJACKERS JUST A PLANE FULL OF EXPLOSIVES.

If youre suggesting it was the Boeings with passengers, what if they had also landed in the street and miraculously survived.

Look my point is this, by using holographic imagery they would be certain that none of the above happened. Of course there was a risk the hologram wouldnt have worked and maybe there was a contingency plan to fall back on. At the end of the day, real planes dont have magically fading wings on them and they dont glide through steel like a knife through butter.

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The reality is that a whole lot of truthers believe there were no planes - they are just sitting on the fence because they fear ridicule.

Click on the link below and tell me from all the images which planes are real - most of this is the on the day footage from mainstream media

http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html


Something does puzzle me - you all accept the media are lying little shtis
and covering things up - so why do you believe them when they tell you there were real planes?
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You say how would they know that the planes would go into the buildings if it had never happened before-

The same way we know the buildings should not have collasped as a result- it is possible to analyse these things theoretically based on physics. You can be fairly certain they would have done some research to ensure the desired result occurred.

There are far more risks involved in trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the world with holograms as far as I can see.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are far more risks involved in trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the world with holograms as far as I can see.



Heh.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Heh.




Well what can I say, you tore my argument to pieces. I'm converted.

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Well what can I say, you tore my argument to pieces. I'm converted.


Your argument was a complete contradiction, what else was I supposed to do but snigger at you?

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Explain how it was maybe?

My point was that they could easily have worked out that the planes would penetrate the towers in exactly the same way people have demonstrated that they did- theoretically.

A hologram seems like a much more complicated plan than just flying a plane into a building. And we know flying a plane into a building is actually possible.

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And we know flying a plane into a building is actually possible.


I will repeat myself, you made a big whopping contradiction in your previous post.

And now you have added the above to your statements which is also ultra silly.

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I will pose the question once again, the silent question that nobody wants to hear



What if a large portion of the plane had fallen into the street or just wedged it's arse into the building like the one that hit the Empire State Building many moons ago?

This would have exposed the fact that there were NO PASSENGERS OR HIJACKERS JUST A PLANE FULL OF EXPLOSIVES.

If youre suggesting it was the Boeings with passengers, what if they had also landed in the street and miraculously survived.

Look my point is this, by using holographic imagery they would be certain that none of the above happened. Of course there was a risk the hologram wouldnt have worked and maybe there was a contingency plan to fall back on. At the end of the day, real planes dont have magically fading wings on them and they dont glide through steel like a knife through butter.


You know, NASA have done experiments with remote control planes and I've seen a video of a plane being smashed into a wall. It could be that experiments were done beforehand to ensure the whole plane would go into the building. Not saying thats what I believe but I wouldn't just dismiss the planes argument. TBH the more I read into 9/11 the more unsure I become Confused
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And we know flying a plane into a building is actually possible.


I will repeat myself, you made a big whopping contradiction in your previous post.

And now you have added the above to your statements which is also ultra silly.


I will repeat: Please demonstrate how I have made a contradiction "heh" is not a sophisticated analysis of my argument.

And how is this statemant "ulta silly"?

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Please point out to me any plane on the link below that you believe is real

http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html
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Please point out to me any plane on the link below that you believe is real

http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html


Which one can you prove is not?

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would it be impossible to make a missle to be the same size/shape of an aircraft? ....


Easy. And to make it convincing they'd put windows in it and paint it like a commercial airliner, and fit it with airliner engines Then have it travel the same speed as an airliner ...

Then they'd all say "D'oh! Why didn't we just use an airliner all along??"


i explained above in my first post why they would use a missle over a plane. guarnteed penertration of the building, dramatic explosion and damage inside the towers and easily guided. why not use a done up missle? it wouldnt of mattered as long as it was convicing enough to make people assume it was an airliner whilst catching a brief glimpse at the speed it was traveling. i think its much more likely than holograms. but either way it dosnt matter im not saying that it happened that way, i think airliners were used at the moment. i was just pointing out if i really had to believe no airliners were used then thats the most likely scenerio.
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A done up missile is a lot more plausible than a hologram, and the advantage would be a nose with far greater strength and penetration.

But correct me if I am wrong- hasn't snowy grouch demonstrated beyond a resonable doubt that a plane could acheive the destruction we saw?

And wouldn't it be far easier to use a plane that a missile.

Could they not have even reinforced the nose of a real plane?

Here is a question which I feel is important and I hope someone has the answer.

From how long was there radar coverage of the plane?

I know in some cases the planes left radar for a while before returning.

Was that the case with all of them?

If the planes were infact on record on radar from airport to WTC, idea of anything other than a plane hitting becomes extremely problematic.

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A done up missile is a lot more plausible than a hologram, and the advantage would be a nose with far greater strength and penetration.

But correct me if I am wrong- hasn't snowy grouch demonstrated beyond a resonable doubt that a plane could acheive the destruction we saw?

And wouldn't it be far easier to use a plane that a missile.

Could they not have even reinforced the nose of a real plane?

Here is a question which I feel is important and I hope someone has the answer.

From how long was there radar coverage of the plane?

I know in some cases the planes left radar for a while before returning.

Was that the case with all of them?

If the planes were infact on record on radar from airport to WTC, idea of anything other than a plane hitting becomes extremely problematic.


Remote controlled planes are visible on radar, holograms aint.

Have a look at this, Koheleth. ->

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=169719
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Prole,
I'm getting confused now- are you claiming there were planes, or there were no planes?

I personally think there were planes- either from a CIA orchestrtaed terrorist attack or remote control planes. But I accept I don't know for sure.

The idea of holograms seems outlandish and unnecesarily complicated when it has been demonstrated that actual planes could acheive the damage we saw- and the shape of the hole so perfectly fitted a plane.

I was simply stating that if the no-planes theory was that of a missile "decorated" as a plane it would be a lot more plausible than a hologram- or there being nothing there and CG inserting it later. That's not to say I think it is the most likeley.

Real planes- military remote controlled or 757s remain the most obvious and simple solution, as they would have been tracked by radar, as the objects are, and would involve a lot less logistics to pull off than any of the science fiction-esque solutions others have come up with.

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