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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Evidence for Existence of Directed Energy Weapons Reply with quote

Evidence for Existence of Directed Energy Weapons

[Keep in mind that the military is always 15-20 years ahead in technology from where they admit.]




Star Wars In Iraq:

Scroll to the 9 minute mark and note the nervousness of Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Meyers when they’re questioned about microwaves and directed energy weapons.

GOOGLE VIDEO HERE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8361811662480560988





SPACE.COM: E-Weapons: Directed Energy Warfare In The 21st Century

By Leonard David
Senior Space Writer
posted: 11 January 2006
07:01 am ET
LOS ALAMOS, New Mexico -- There is a new breed of weaponry fast approaching—and at the speed of light no less. They are labeled "directed-energy weapons" and may well signal a revolution in military hardware—perhaps more so than the atomic bomb.
Directed-energy weapons take the form of lasers, high-powered microwaves, and particle beams. Their adoption for ground, air, sea, and space warfare depends not only on using the electromagnetic spectrum, but also upon favorable political and budgetary wavelengths too.

Full Article Here
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/060111_e-weapons.html





NASA Website Article: The Space Laser Business Model

2005
Industrial Productivity/Manufacturing Technology
Originating Technology/ NASA Contribution
Creating long-duration, high-powered lasers, for satellites, that can withstand the type of optical misalignment and damage dished out by the unforgiving environment of space, is work that is unique to NASA. It is complicated, specific work, where each step forward is into uncharted territory.

Full Article Here
http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/Spinoff2005/ip_8.html





CBS NEWS: Laser Weapons In U.S. Sights

Oct. 20, 2003

(CBS) U.S. scientists are on the verge of creating a laser weapon that could give American forces an awesome advantage on the battlefield, but would also raise tough questions for Pentagon war planners, a newspaper reports.



The military already uses several types of lasers. Some guide bombs and missiles. An experimental system, the Tactical High Energy Laser, has been used to shoot down missiles in demonstrations.

FULL ARTICLE HERE
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/20/tech/main578998.shtml





USA TODAY / Associated Press: Laser weaponry can have tough time getting off shelf

7/10/2005

By Brian Bergstein, The Associated Press

ARLINGTON, Va. — For years, the U.S. military has explored a new kind of firepower that is instantaneous, precise and virtually inexhaustible: beams of electromagnetic energy. "Directed-energy" pulses can be throttled up or down depending on the situation, much like the phasers on "Star Trek" could be set to kill or merely stun.



The hallmark of all directed-energy weapons is that the target — whether a human or a mechanical object — has no chance to avoid the shot because it moves at the speed of light. At some frequencies, it can penetrate walls.


Almost as diverse as the electromagnetic spectrum itself, directed-energy weapons span a wide range of incarnations.
Among the simplest forms are inexpensive, handheld lasers that fill people's field of vision, inducing a temporary blindness to ensure they stop at a checkpoint, for example. Some of these already are used in Iraq.
Other radio-frequency weapons in development can sabotage the electronics of land mines, shoulder-fired missiles or automobiles — a prospect that interests police departments in addition to the military.
A separate branch of directed-energy research involves bigger, badder beams: lasers that could obliterate targets tens of miles away from ships or planes. Such a strike would be so surgical that, as some designers put it at a recent conference here, the military could plausibly deny responsibility.

The directed-energy component in the project is the Active Denial System, developed by Air Force researchers and built by Raytheon. It produces a millimeter-wavelength burst of energy that penetrates 1/64 of an inch into a person's skin, agitating water molecules to produce heat. The sensation is certain to get people to halt whatever they are doing.
Military investigators say decades of research have shown that the effect ends the moment a person is out of the beam, and no lasting damage is done as long as the stream does not exceed a certain duration. How long? That answer is classified, but it apparently is in the realm of seconds, not minutes. The range of the beam also is secret, though it is said to be further than small arms fire, so an attacker could be repelled before he could pull a trigger.
Although Active Denial works — after a $51 million, 11-year investment — it has proven to be a "model for how hard it is to field a directed-energy nonlethal weapon," Law said.

FULL ARTICLE
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2005-07-10-laserweap ons_x.htm





USA TODAY: Pentagon deploys array of non-lethal weapons

7/24/2005
By Steven Komarow,
A ray gun closer to deployment is a millimeter-wave radar beam that causes fiery pain when it hits the skin.

The first working prototype on a custom Humvee truck, called the Active Denial System, will be unveiled this summer. The command in Iraq has asked the Pentagon for 14 more vehicles with millimeter-wave weapons, under a program called Project Sheriff, as soon as possible.

Set phasers on stun?
The Army and Marines want to develop a gun that fires an adjustable beam of energy. For situations like Iraq, it could emit just enough energy to stop an oncoming vehicle. On the battlefield, powerful blasts could destroy the enemy.
Energy beams fire in a straight line and at long range, with no need for reloading, obvious advantages. The big unsolved problem: a strong, portable power source.
Someday, handheld ray guns could be available to infantry troops, but such Star Trek weapons are years, if not decades, away.

FULL ARTICLE HERE
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-07-24-nonlethal-weapons_x .htm





USA TODAY: Energy beam weapon may lower Iraq civilian deaths

7/24/2005

By Steven Komarow,

WASHINGTON — Troops in Iraq will soon be shooting an experimental weapon that fires an invisible beam of energy instead of bullets to repel insurgents without killing civilians.

Radiation similar to some forms of radar fired by the Active Denial System (ADS) penetrates just below the skin's surface to cause an excruciating burning sensation until it is turned off. Extensive testing has shown no lasting damage, the military said.



The first prototype, developed for the Marines, sits atop a Humvee that has a hybrid gasoline-electric drive train. The propulsion batteries double as a power source for the gun, which looks like a satellite dish and is aimed with a joystick.



The ADS is one of several directed-energy weapons, some dating to President Reagan's space-based missile defense research program. Already being tested in the field are low-power lasers that would temporarily blind opponents.

The ADS follows more than a decade and $50 million of research into millimeter-wave radiation weapons. The Army plans a version for its Stryker vehicles, and the Air Force is developing an airborne variant.
One major concern is public acceptance of the weapon.
"We have tested this thing every way from Sunday" to make sure it's safe, Payton said, adding that she had insisted scientists fire the gun on a raw egg to make sure the 95-gigahertz beam wouldn't cook it like a microwave oven does.
"Initially, it felt like someone had opened an oven door, and you felt a rush of heat," said Rich Garcia, a spokesman for the Air Force Research Labs who was one of hundreds of test subjects. "Within milliseconds, it became intolerable."

FULL ARTICLE HERE
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-07-24-energy-beam_x.htm





Military Website Article: The High Energy Laser Systems Test Facility

April 9, 2002
The High Energy Laser Systems Test Facility (HELSTF) is the ideal choice to host exploration of future laser technologies. Appointed the US Army Space and Missile Defense Command's (SMDC) "Directed Energy Center for Test and Evaluation," HELSTF boasts a unique infrastructure with extensive capabilities for ground-based directed energy testing and evaluation. Located on White Sands Missile Range, in southern New Mexico, HELSTF has access to 3,200 square miles of controlled land and 7,000 square miles of controlled air space in which to conduct live fire, lethality, and vulnerability testing, as well as laser/material interactions.

Full Article Here
http://helstf-www.wsmr.army.mil





EE TIMES: Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon

06/06/2001

LONDON — Stories of the soldiers who operate the Arctic radar stations and stand in front of the transmitter to get warm will surely be repeated now that the U.S. Department of Defense has gone public with plans to use the heating effect of millimeter waves within a weapon.
The U.S. Marine Corps says it has developed a 95-GHz system as an antipersonnel "heat ray" and is conducting tests on animals and volunteers.
The supposedly nonlethal weapon, called "active-denial technology," has been in the works for the last 10 years at the Air Force Research Laboratory (Kirtland, N.M.), in tandem with the Marine Corps' Joint Non-lethal Weapons Directorate. About $40 million has been spent developing the weapon, according to the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL), although it could be nearly another decade before it is used in conflict. The earliest estimate for deployment is 2009.

FULL ARTICLE HERE
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20010606S0072





US House of Representatives Website: DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS: TECHNOLOGIES, APPLICATIONS AND IMPLICATIONS

April 3, 2003

REMARKS OF
U.S. REP. JOHN N. HOSTETTLER
LEXINGTON INSTITUTE CONFERENCE ON
"DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS: TECHNOLOGIES,
APPLICATIONS AND IMPLICATIONS"

Transcript Here
http://www.house.gov/hostettler/Issues/Hostettler-issues-2003-04-03-di rected-energy-weapons.shtm






Northrop Grumman Corporation
(A global defense and technology company):

Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL)
THEL Multiple-Rocket Shootdown - 01.16.2004
THEL Mortar Shootdown - 09.30.2004

VIDEOS HERE
http://www.st.northropgrumman.com/media/presskits/mediaGallery/thel/vi deos/videogallery.html





ABC NEWS: US hails airborne laser as weapons milestone

October 29, 2006
The head of the Pentagon's Missile Defence Agency has hailed what he cast as epochal progress toward putting a high-energy laser aboard a modified Boeing 747 to zap ballistic missiles that could be fired by North Korea and Iran.
But the Pentagon's former top weapons tester poured doubt on the project, saying it faced major technical hurdles and might be defeated by a simple countermeasure.

Full Article Here
http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200610/s1775995.htm





MICROWAVING IRAQ: “ Pacifying” Rays Pose New Hazards To Iraqis

By William Thomas 01/24/05 ( World Exclusive )

Preface
Desperate to improve images of civilian carnage, US commanders are using portable electromagnetic-frequency weapons in Fallujah and other “hot spots” in the Sunni Triangle to pacify restive neighborhoods with invisible EM radiation. “Active Denial” antenna arrays mounted on Humvees are also being deployed to panic and disperse hostile crowds by flash-burning exposed flesh with microwaves. But unintended side effects from the hidden rooftop transmitters are reportedly triggering violent attacks by exposed insurgents—while leading to AWOL rates of up to 15% among US forces disoriented by these same weapons, as well as the electromagnetic emanations from high-power radars, radios and “jammers”.

FULL ARTICLE HERE
http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/Microwaving_Iraq.htm





Military Website Article: Using Lasers in Space

Laser Orbital Debris Removal and Asteroid Deflection
Jonathan W. Campbell, Colonel, USAFR
December 2000

PDF FILE
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cst/csat20.pdf





Military Website Article: The Strategic Value of Space-Based Laser Weapons

Air University Review, March-April 1982

Dr. Barry J. Smernoff
Laser weapons, based in space and capable of the global projection of power to attack a wide range of targets—satellites, aircraft, and missiles—have attracted an increasing level of attention during the past several years.
The advent of space laser weapons during this decade might make a military and geopolitical virtue out of technological necessity.
Operating at a level of approximately $200 million per year, the U.S. high-energy laser (HEL) program has been the single largest technology base program sponsored by the Department of Defense (DOD) during the past five years. This fact signals both its relative importance within the broad portfolio of military research and development programs and the favorable expectations associated with it.
In many important ways, the evolution of space laser weapons in the United States during the 1980s may prove to be quite similar to the development of the ICBM during the 1950s.

Full Paper Here
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1982/mar-apr  /smernoff.html





Military Website Article: Introducing the Particle-Beam Weapon

Air University Review, July-August 1984

Dr. Richard M. Roberds
CONSIDERABLE debate has been stirred Cby President Reagan's recent suggestion that the United States embark on a program that would use advanced-technology weaponry to produce an effective defense against Soviet ICBMS. On the one hand, critics argue that the idea of a defensive system that would neutralize the ICBM threat is naive and, at best, would require large expenditures in the development of a very "high-risk" technology. Furthermore, they suggest, even if such a system could be developed, it would be too costly and would also be vulnerable to simple and cheap countermeasures. On the other hand, others argue that we must continue to explore such high-technology options until they have been either proved scientifically unachievable or developed into effective systems. If it were possible to build and effectively deploy such weapons, the payoff in terms of national security would be tremendous. And certainly, if this weaponry is achievable, it must be the United States, not the Soviet Union, that first develops it.

FULL ARTICLE HERE
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1984/jul-aug  /roberds.html





Project For The New American Century:

PNAC loves space weapons, energy laser

FULL ARTICLE HERE
http://www.total911.info/2006/12/pnac-loves-space-weapons-energy-laser .html





War From Space?
Voices of the Global Network


GOOGLE VIDEO HERE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6515526620862018423


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not just evidence my friend. FACT. Now, if only you could find some energy weapons designed to vaporise buildings... Oh wait, explosives do that far more effectively.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not just evidence my friend. FACT. Now, if only you could find some energy weapons designed to vaporise buildings... Oh wait, explosives do that far more effectively.



ummm.... no they don't. Explosives cannot account for what happened. Do you even know what happened?
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Indeed this poster must live in twonk land. Sorry but the sane people here don't buy the half-baked-bean-weapom.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Indeed this poster must live in twonk land. Sorry but the sane people here don't buy the half-baked-bean-weapom.


that's because you don't know how to look at evidence
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CB_Brooklyn wrote:
Patrick Brown wrote:
Indeed this poster must live in twonk land. Sorry but the sane people here don't buy the half-baked-bean-weapom.


that's because you don't know how to look at evidence


Here's your starter for ten. What's the most basic two things to establish in a criminal investigation? Motive and....

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fallious wrote:
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Patrick Brown wrote:
Indeed this poster must live in twonk land. Sorry but the sane people here don't buy the half-baked-bean-weapom.


that's because you don't know how to look at evidence


Here's your starter for ten. What's the most basic two things to establish in a criminal investigation? Motive and....



sorry, but that line of thinking does not examine scientific evidence. Look for a new post from me in here soon. (As soon as I finish the formatting..)
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Look for a new post from me in here soon. (As soon as I finish the formatting..)

Oh I can't wait!! Rolling Eyes

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CB_Brooklyn wrote:
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CB_Brooklyn wrote:
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Indeed this poster must live in twonk land. Sorry but the sane people here don't buy the half-baked-bean-weapom.


that's because you don't know how to look at evidence


Here's your starter for ten. What's the most basic two things to establish in a criminal investigation? Motive and....


sorry, but that line of thinking does not examine scientific evidence. Look for a new post from me in here soon. (As soon as I finish the formatting..)


MEANS! that's right, and we use this method because to try and prove something without evidence of the MEANS by which is was produced, is...

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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CB_Brooklyn wrote:
Fallious wrote:
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Patrick Brown wrote:
Indeed this poster must live in twonk land. Sorry but the sane people here don't buy the half-baked-bean-weapom.


that's because you don't know how to look at evidence


Here's your starter for ten. What's the most basic two things to establish in a criminal investigation? Motive and....


sorry, but that line of thinking does not examine scientific evidence. Look for a new post from me in here soon. (As soon as I finish the formatting..)


MEANS! that's right, and we use this method because to try and prove something without evidence of the MEANS by which is was produced, is...



I see your point, but I think it's extremely important to publicize this. Steven Jones (and his thermate) is a distraction from the real evidence. The government couldn't care less about people learning of thermate, no hijackers. PNAC, etc. Take a look at my new post (already up.) What could explain all those anomalies??
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi CB,

Great post! Nice try!

Welcome to the UK, my friend!

Notice how these people immediately deny what is staring them in the face?

It takes massive doublethink to do that, of course. Followed up by 'Twonk Land' insults. Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.

Maybe we should stick to 911Researchers.com? I notice that you'd signed up as well. Hey 73,000 hits in ONE DAY? (I think Rick just might be on to something!)

As an old hand at 911Blogger.com, you know - as well as I do - that it's those who look & read ... and don't generally post ... are the worthwhile people to reach. The 'thinkers'.

And ... again ... you know as well as I do ... that 9/11 is ONLY solved and understood by frame-by-frame analysis.

The 'means'? Are the Towers still standing? The answer is obviously '"No" (or am I blind, and can't see them?) ... so the 'means' must have been available.

Motive - Means - Opportunity ... all there in spades.

You're right. Only those who don't understand how to look at evidence would post the responses above.

Good (nay ... brilliant) research, CB. I'm looking forward to the formatted version.

BTW: Patrick Brown, Fallious ... send us all links to your own thorough 9/11 research will you please? Many thanks. (What do you mean ... you can't???? Oh ... so you just criticise other's hard work with 'Twonk Land' insults ... is that what it is?)
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What a stirring yet worthless speech. I wonder veronica, what experience do you have with computer generated imagery, video editing and digital compression?

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Hi CB,

Great post! Nice try!

Welcome to the UK, my friend!

Notice how these people immediately deny what is staring them in the face?


Example please. What's staring us in the face?

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It takes massive doublethink to do that, of course. Followed up by 'Twonk Land' insults. Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.


There was me thinking the baked bean weapon was a joke! You are serious? Oh that's precious..

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Maybe we should stick to 911Researchers.com? I notice that you'd signed up as well. Hey 73,000 hits in ONE DAY? (I think Rick just might be on to something!)

As an old hand at 911Blogger.com, you know - as well as I do - that it's those who look & read ... and don't generally post ... are the worthwhile people to reach. The 'thinkers'.


This is illogical. How can you assume they are worth reaching if they don't respond, how do you know they are 'thinkers' if they've never spoken a word? Oh never spoke a word AGAINST your joke theory.. riiiight I geddit.

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And ... again ... you know as well as I do ... that 9/11 is ONLY solved and understood by frame-by-frame analysis.


Where's the punch line?

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The 'means'? Are the Towers still standing? The answer is obviously '"No" (or am I blind, and can't see them?) ... so the 'means' must have been available.


No. That's a result. A result (like a ball going in a goal) can be achieved by many varied MEANS. I could throw the ball, I could kick it, I could blow it, I could even move the goal. The result tells a story of the ball going from outside the goal to inside it, the MEANS may be far more difficult to discern and anyone who claims they know 100% what happened simply by studying the result is lying.

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Motive - Means - Opportunity ... all there in spades.


Show me the means.

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You're right. Only those who don't understand how to look at evidence would post the responses above.


You don't seem to understand what means.. means. I mean.. I don't mean to be mean, but means, means MEANS! (look it up).

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Good (nay ... brilliant) research, CB. I'm looking forward to the formatted version.


If brilliant research is a bunch of links to old news articles, which ultimately proves nothing we didn't already know..

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BTW: Patrick Brown, Fallious ... send us all links to your own thorough 9/11 research will you please? Many thanks. (What do you mean ... you can't???? Oh ... so you just criticise other's hard work with 'Twonk Land' insults ... is that what it is?)


See my signature and 9/11evidencebase.co.uk. And if you could do the same in return...

And please, PLEASE demonstrate the means by which the towers were destroyed with a beam weapon.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Veronica wrote:


Notice how these people immediately deny what is staring them in the face?

It takes massive doublethink to do that, of course. Followed up by 'Twonk Land' insults. Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.


Yup - Patrick is always first in speaking for the movement as a whole.

I've also amassed links/pages/articles/research on DW technology but this forum is the *last* place I'd post it precisely due to the attitude nazi's that have moved in here lately.

I think we're kind of screwed as a 'leading light' or exemplar movement as someone said on an interview I heard today. You have a whole consensus of "researchers" who write off a possible avenue of exploration as they cannot see any direct 'proof' of it on the 6 o'clock news. When you're into covert ops with trillion dollar hidden budgets and way ahead tech - [see some quotes from former Skunk Works head Ben Rich] then you have to broaden the range of inputs a little.

Thanks to the thread starter for the info.

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Is there still a pond in Feltham High St? Do you know Mark Birch?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9 minute video mentioning some aspects of Beam Weapon technology, archive footage of some research, photos etc.


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Some sound synch problems in the Rumsfeld/Myers section, but worth looking.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: How the towers came down. Reply with quote

Whilst I dont bother getting too involved with exactly how the towers came down, other than of course to state the obvious - namely that it was nothing to do with the impact of those planes, the idea of some kind of exotic technology has always sat in the back of the mind.

Tesla is on the record as saying that if he could have worked out the resonant frequency of the Empire State Building, he could have brought that down with a simple device. His safe was of course pillaged by the FBI on his death.

What got me more interested was the numerous reports of cars spontaneously exploding around the site of the towers on the morning. That kind of thing is just not something that happens willy nilly. Not only that, but Webster Tarpley, one of the finest historical researchers around, has also recently suggested that this shouldnt be ruled out.

But like he also, and much more importantly points out, we should stick to what we know, and STAND TOGETHER. The easiest way to do that of course is just to keep explaining how the official story of how the buildings came down, (and just about every other aspect of the official story), is nothing better than a hopelessly inept fairy story.
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It's always appeared to me that some kind of interferometric mechanism was occurring ,although alongside conventional demolition, not least with the Spire disintegration. I agree that it shouldn't cause any division
It all depends on what you see, which is dependant on your mind training as prole art threat specified earlier

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagine someone who was new to the whole inside job idea came to this site and saw this thread...do you think they would ever come back?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Imagine someone who was new to the whole inside job idea came to this site and saw this thread...do you think they would ever come back?



I think if someone had the intellectual curiosity to come to this site in the first place and read my post, then they'd be open to many ideas.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Closed site needed? Reply with quote

Patrick Brown wrote:
Indeed this poster must live in twonk land. Sorry but the sane people here don't buy the half-baked-bean-weapom.


As I've said before, we need to consider a closed site where evidence-based argument, only, is allowed.
The infiltrators, insulters etc. can then throw around "twonk" ,"half-baked", "nutters", "troll", "cloud-cuckoo", "bean-weapom?" etc., at each other all day long : whilst the serious amongst us can get on with the issues.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew Johnson wrote:
9 minute video mentioning some aspects of Beam Weapon technology, archive footage of some research, photos etc.


Link


Some sound synch problems in the Rumsfeld/Myers section, but worth looking.


It's worth watching for this classic example of panic and confusion from Bush. General Myers seems equally at sea.

QUESTIONER:
Could you answer a question about some of that technology you're developing to fight the war on terrorism, specifically Directed Energy and high-powered Microwave technology. Have you... when do you envision(sic) that you weaponize that kind of technology?

DONALD RUMSFELD:
Hmmmm...(mumbled)goodness...it is, it is in, for the most part, the kinds of things you are talking about are in very early stages. (turning to Gen. Myers) Do you want to give anything to add?

GENERAL RICHARD MYERS
I don't think I would add much, I, I...(long pause)...(swallows)...I think they are in early stages and, and...and probably not ready... er,for employment at this point.

A US general 'thinks' they are 'probably' not ready for employment. Probably? Thinks? Whoever is briefing him is not doing much of a job.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gypsum wrote:
Imagine someone who was new to the whole inside job idea came to this site and saw this thread...do you think they would ever come back?


Who cares? With that logic you/we are closing down a research direction for the sake of some sort of P.R. drive. My instinct is that this thing isn't going much wider than it is now anyway - you can cause shifts without having every Tom and Dick onboard.


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GENERAL RICHARD MYERS
I don't think I would add much, I, I...(long pause)...(swallows)...I think they are in early stages and, and...and probably not ready... er,for employment at this point.

A US general 'thinks' they are 'probably' not ready for employment. Probably? Thinks? Whoever is briefing him is not doing much of a job.


No - I'd say both these people know pretty much where the situation lies with regards development of various new tech and briefing has nothing to do with it.

Instead we see pauses over how much they should let go. How carefully they need to word the little they *do* say etc.

It's worth pointing out that the usual trends in MIC based research have historically demonstrated that a 'front face' for their R&D goes semi-public - as we have seen for several years with the laser cannons also demo'd in the video andrew j. posted. This type of release acts to back-up the point that Rummy and Myers were trying to make - ie: "it's not really *there* yet" or "still in development".

The point is in the layers of compartmentalised cutting edge industry with military links you don't need to go 'pitch' your product to anywhere near an open market because most of this stuff is done on a closed, tendered/commissioned basis.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd expect any kind of beam weapon would be highly visible, i don't mean the beam itself but its effects, like Heat, things melting or getting red hot or the structure vibrating before implosion. Also what on earth stops the weapons penetration at the basement of the building? Why does it not continue deep underground. Ah behold the Volcano Mount Doom is created at Ground Zero just nobody told us!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmm i should of paid more attention to this. the clips posted here show beam weapons and how there used but they all show very visible lasers.

why dont we see any of these lasers at the wtc?

also how is it possible to prove? these weapons are obviously secret at the moment how can you prove to the public they were used? ie: counter arguemnt could be these clips are disinfo and are hoax's, then it will be like the ufo problem. we know they exsist but carnt prove it to most people they do.

and how does questioning s.jones theory prove this theory? they should both be seperate theorys which evidence is the judge of not whos right or wrong.

beam weapons exsist is all we can say for sure here, but can they destroy two 110 story buildings the way we saw?

anyway its got my attention, but i still hold the CD theory as it stands at the moment.

just want to say also exposing falsehoods is more important and where we should unite rather than split into groups, am i confused or is proving the nist report ect is all lies not 100% evidence a new investigastion is needed? why do we need to prove how they came down over that as a united group of people?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact this thread hasn't been moved kind of sums up this forum i.e. A place where dis-info is allowed to be propagated. This post wouldn't even be passed for discussion on my forum as there is no evidence (I do provide a place where people can argue their case but when threads become circular I will lock them) .

I wonder what's going on here as in the past threads like this used to get locked pretty quick. So does all this disinformation have anything to do with Andrew Johnston and 4U2P? Is it time for Andrew to step down as a moderator?

Perhaps this sites needs a NO NPT and NO baked-bean policy? Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: know it all Reply with quote

IIRC you were new to all this a few months back but almost immediately began accusing people and speaking for the 'movement' as soon as you'd found your 'truth'. Arming the critics with plenty of your own spurious analysis as you went.
Your constant 'SHILL' 'BEAN' comments and accusations are more damaging/divisive than any thread posted here could be.
You know that the forum is set to change in the coming months why add to the heat here?
I get it ok, you have a new site, so why not go and enjoy it (good luck with it) and leave this 'disinfo-shill-fest' alone...?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing wrong with this forum is the moderation.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:27 am    Post subject: People question he who shouts shill the loudest... Reply with quote

Moderation in the current format wont change a thing, thankfully the format is set to change.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you know Patrick there is a meeting in the next few weeks to discuss and hopefully finalise plans for the reworking the site. One suggestion is the creation of a section for controversial theories (as in the MOST controversial theories). Beams, Planes, Thermite, TV fakery, pods, etc.

How would that sit with yourself?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think thermite is in a different league to the others you mention as Steven Jones has evidence. Evidence based discussion is what it should all be about. I have no problem with this site duplicating the idea I set up on my forum i.e. That items have to be vetted before discussion. There's nothing wrong with people speculating but the main forums should be made to stay on track. A simple warning that a thread may be locked if it becomes circular is also an idea I've incorporated.

Perhaps an article submission section would be a good idea as articles should be single entries although a link could be provided to a related discussion thread.

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