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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: inflame hatred
Isn't the 'leaked' footage of the execution perfect piece of psyops designed to, guess what, inflame hatred against the occupying forces??
It also profiles the ghoulish hateful people behind the gallows. Two MORE reminders that these people are barbaric. They are successfully taking the cradle of civilisation back to the stone age = rewinding 4000 years of history.
And it makes it clear this is a US not an Iraqi execution.
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: Re: inflame hatred
TonyGosling wrote:
Isn't the 'leaked' footage of the execution perfect piece of psyops designed to, guess what, inflame hatred against the occupying forces??
It also profiles the ghoulish hateful people behind the gallows. Two MORE reminders that these people are barbaric. They are successfully taking the cradle of civilisation back to the stone age = rewinding 4000 years of history.
And it makes it clear this is a US not an Iraqi execution.
Wrong, wrong wrong, Mr Gosling! The execution was designed to further exacerbate tensions between Sunni and Shia. That's why Saddam was handed over by the US to the latter. That's why Al Sadr's men (CIA stooges) were present at the hanging and why they filmed it and insulted Saddam. The whole thing was a provocative stunt organised in Langley, Virginia (which explains why Bush has failed to condemn the conduct of the execution when even his own Shia 'allies' in government were shocked by it).
Bush will now increase US troop levels but they won't be able to 'control' the escalating violence. Unsustainable losses will lead to demands for complete military withdrawal and for a 'new plan' for Iraq: a federation consisting of at least three semi autonomous regions for the Kurds, Sunnis and Shia.
Eventually the country will split into three completely autonomous states. A similar fate awaits Afghanistan (where territory will possibly be ceded to Pakistan in return for its abandonment of claims in Kashmir). Lebanon, Iran and Syria will then follow onto the chopping board.
Interpretation of the events surrounding Husseins judicial murder, for me depends upon how much credence is given to the official narrative of the "Iraqi insurgency" as being the product of sectarian tensions between Sunni and Shia factions.
Following the story we are meant to swallow, easily leads to the conclusion that the "management" of his execution was designed to increase those tensions and thereby exacerbate the need for the Bush / Baker troop surge, of course with the eventual goal of a weaker, segregated Iraq.
This scenario also dovetails nicely into plans for troop build up prior to an Iranian strike under cover of escalating insecurity in Iraq.
An interpretation that does not rely on sectarian based propaganda needs to encompass the timing of his death, on the first day of Eid, thereby offending all Muslims and right smack in the middle of the Christian religious holiday, and an interval of 911 days following Saddam's first appearance in an Iraqi criminal court on 1st July 2004. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
Interpretation of the events surrounding Husseins judicial murder, for me depends upon how much credence is given to the official narrative of the "Iraqi insurgency" as being the product of sectarian tensions between Sunni and Shia factions.
Following the story we are meant to swallow, easily leads to the conclusion that the "management" of his execution was designed to increase those tensions and thereby exacerbate the need for the Bush / Baker troop surge, of course with the eventual goal of a weaker, segregated Iraq.
This scenario also dovetails nicely into plans for troop build up prior to an Iranian strike under cover of escalating insecurity in Iraq.
An interpretation that does not rely on sectarian based propaganda needs to encompass the timing of his death, on the first day of Eid, thereby offending all Muslims and right smack in the middle of the Christian religious holiday, and an interval of 911 days following Saddam's first appearance in an Iraqi criminal court on 1st July 2004.
What story is it that the great unwashed are 'meant' to swallow, Gobell (your affected prose makes it hard to understand where you are coming from)? Are you suggesting that my analysis relies on 'sectarian based propaganda?'
You appear to be running with the hare and the hound. If you dispute the fact that Saddam's execution was a blatant CIA manoeuvre designed to get Sunni and Shia at each other's throats then come out and say so.
I thought thay under international law an occupying force has a duty to not hand someone over in the knowlege that they are going to be killed. Hence why asylum seekers can stay here if it is known that they would be persecuted in their home country.
But Saddam was handed over in the knowlege that he was facing the death penalty. Something's not right there!
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject:
gypsum wrote:
I thought thay under international law an occupying force has a duty to not hand someone over in the knowlege that they are going to be killed. Hence why asylum seekers can stay here if it is known that they would be persecuted in their home country.
But Saddam was handed over in the knowlege that he was facing the death penalty. Something's not right there!
It's my understanding that it is European, not international law which prohibits execution and the handing over of prisoners to other countries where they may be executed or tortured.
In any case, particularly under the current Bush regime, the US is showing contempt for international law.
Dispute over legality of Saddam execution continues two years on
December 30, 2008, 9:27
It has been two years since former dictator Saddam Hussein was executed. In 2006 he was found guilty of crimes committed against residents of the Iraqi town of Dujail in 1982, following a failed assassination attempt against him.
Hussein’s trial and execution provoked a mixed reaction worldwide, winning the approval of some countries in the west, but many in the Muslim world were appalled by Saddam’s treatment.
Hussein was captured by U.S. troops on December 13, 2003, after more than six months on the run. Initially there were many random sightings of Saddam, but none could be authenticated and Saddam would sometimes release recordings of his protest against the invasion.
After a trial lasting in Iraq for three years, Hussein was sentenced to death and executed on December 30, 2006. From his first court appearance, Saddam Hussein questioned its legitimacy, calling George W. Bush the real criminal. Saddam and his lawyers contested the court's authority as, they insisted, he was yet the President of Iraq.
The trial was also known for the assassinations and attempts on the lives of several of Saddam's lawyers, as well as the replacement of the chief presiding judge just midway through.
Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International dubbed it a show trial and said it was a significant step away from Iraq's rule of law.
Meanwhile, William Ramsey Clark, the U.S. former Attorney General and winner of the Gandhi Peace Award, claims Saddam Hussein was tried fairly though, he says, it was tough work to ensure that.
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Let's reiterate
The fake Saddam was captured reiterating the Nebuchadnezzar tale of seven months in the wilderness
He was always fake, the real Saddam having escaped before the fall of Baghdad airport
The mobile pictures of "Saddam"'s execution could never have resulted in death.
Neither the real Saddam nor his substitute died
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject:
paul wright wrote:
Let's reiterate
The fake Saddam was captured reiterating the Nebuchadnezzar tale of seven months in the wilderness
He was always fake, the real Saddam having escaped before the fall of Baghdad airport
The mobile pictures of "Saddam"'s execution could never have resulted in death.
Neither the real Saddam nor his substitute died
They are both alive out their somewhere
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Shame on you Fish for dragging up those nonsense (a word beloved of this forum) quotes of debunkers' cases. The sleazy 'smart' guys who lazily drag up some bunkum to downsize a CT
The Saddam case is quite different and has tangible evidence. The wrong guy was prosecuted and in the outcome wasn't properly hung. therefore is probably not dead at least from that charade. That makes two "Saddams" possibly alive
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