Does this forum have a political agenda?

[Patrick Brown]

I have often wondered if this forum has a political agenda and is simply using the events of 911 to demonise the Labour party and Tony Blair. I used to think the Labour party were doing a good job but they seem to be sucking up to big business including America . Also many people see Tony Blair as a liar which of course he is. The problem is that Cameroon is such an idiot although I figure people will vote for him just because we need a change.

I have stated before in the past that I don't do politics and I don't really have an opinion other than all governments are liars and are headed by self-important vanity driven egotists! When Tony grins it makes me want to ... and when David smiles I really want to...

[John White]

I dont believe this forum has a specific agenda: but I do believe that individuals with an an axe to grind against the current government (whichever Bilderbergesque "team" that is) will use any and all protest groups to further their own aims: and drop 'em like hot potatoes when "power" is won. Its a common criticism of NO2ID, for example, that its stealthing for the tory party. But is it orchestrated that way or is it simply that Tory party members are more likely to be horrified at national ID than sychophantic Labour ones?

However, I would say that "(elemements of) Our own government orchestrated 9/11 and many other terrorist threats/attacks" is about as intensely political as one could get: An unfortunate fact, especially with a campaign filled with a lot of people who have, to a greater or lesser extent, transcended party politics

[Patrick Brown]

Interesting points John and I probably would agree with most of them. I personally haven't voted on this poll yet as it's more of an exercise to see if people have wondered about this aspect of the 911 Truth Movement. I did want to put another option in the poll, which was “Other” but it wouldn't let me. Anyway I figure that there are a few people here with a bias which is fair enough as long as they don't push it to extremes.

[marky 54]

theres nothing political in this to me, i just dont like the lies we are told constantly and the public being used or killed to give an excuse to go to war on false pretences (false flag's) or take away the freedoms they are going to war to supposidly protect. im angry with labour they were doing really well and then they changed overnight. they cared for the people then stopped listening to them and its almost as though we are all scum in blairs eyes. it has turned into dictatorship, like the ID cards who got a say or vote? not us, yet its our privacy and our freedom that will be affected because of the lies about terrorism.

but it would'nt of mattered who was in with everything thats happening, i dont feel its a case of labour or conservative its now a case of right and wrong. for me its got to the point where everytime bush and blair open their mouths i instantly believe it to be a lie. if conservative get in nothing will change.

anyway they are all apart of the same tool. there is noway any politican cannot see 9/11 didnt happen how we were told. but obviously they dont care and seek to ridcule anyone who says differant, so their goals and agenda's are obviously nothing whatsoever to be with the british people, unless to imprison us by taking away our freedoms.


none of the issues have anything to do with red and blue, its about truth nothing more nothing less.

[John White]

[marky 54]

[Patrick Brown]

The last few comments are exactly why the divisive aspects of this forum need to be rooted out. If the recent poll which showed that 75% of members here believe that planes hit the twin towers and CD brought them down why do we tolerate a moderator and his sidekick that keeps banging on and on about Beam Weapons and missiles disguised by holograms? I mean does Johnson, 4U2P and others think we are ever going to buy such rubbish. Most of us have listened to their theories and have concluded that there is absolutely no evidence for them.

Can moderators please make a concerted effort to move all NPT and Beam Weapon posts to CC. I believe Steven Jones theory to be based on evidence and am annoyed that Ian Neal keeps lumping thermite with NPT and Beam Weapons. Ian Still hasn't returned my call and I doubt if he every will as he knows I'll be asking him to explain his position as a moderator. I'm not going to start having a go at Ian but if he persists in lumping Jones theory with the shills fantasy tales I may have to start pulling him up on a few of his posts.

There's a lot of good evidence and information on this forum but it's buried under a pile of... I therefore ask everyone that contributes here and who has posted good quality evidence in the past to find their posts and copy them to the 911evidencebase where once passed they will be archived. A clear coherent message is what is needed to catapult this movement into the public eye.

[John White]

Delightful irony there PB

Shall I rename this topic:

"Does this thread have a political agenda?"

"What we fight, we become"

Tricky peice of wisdom to work with that, but invariably true

[Patrick Brown]

Not into politics John as I've stated but I suppose forums always go through the same old cycle. I just feel that after five years of research it's time for a constructive theory to be pursued. The towers being brought down by controlled demolition is almost like a sales pitch for the 911 Truth Movement but as with anything that people buy into the quality of the product will mean it's success or failure. Therefore the 911 Truth Movement needs to be pushing a quality product.

We have a limited amount of time before the events of 911 are obscured by even more dramatic events. It's time to make a choice and push on before. So does the Labour party want to shut us up? Yes. Does the Conservative party want to make Blair look party to a conspiracy? Yes Do the BNP want a racist war? Yes. What do the real 911 Truthers want? The truth even if that means civil wars and anarchy, perhaps. They will be a price for the truth and those that haven't got the stomach for it should stop kidding themselves that everything is going to lovely!

If you're in a hole and there's no way out you may say the bird is in the tree.

My philosophy is not to end up in the hole in the first place. As I've stated before on this forum the modern world is driven by vanity, greed and a sense of false self-importance so isn't it truly ironic that the people that run the governments of the world are prime examples of such egotism?

Just remember that as each second passes you are choosing the mother-farther gateway of your next appearance in the realms of manifest consciousness. Time to live your life as an example perhaps and no I'm not advocating any form of violence which is why I tried to get people interested in my global sit-down protest. But the violence and chaos will be there for those that want it! That's the law of attraction by the way.

[John White]

Which I'm very familiar with PB (the LOA)

So in all earnest ('cos I know your a good 'un), I say you've got your evidence base at your forum, let the quality of that attract people as it will, and have a little more patience with us here. Personally, I feel that NPT and Beam Weapons are far less of a concern than they might appear to be (despite the forum dynamic of giving them energy) and that the Truth Campaign will emerge from the current state of turbulence (a matter of perception) far far stronger than we might be able to imagine

After all, do you see anyone talking about "pods" these days? Could it be that we are at the last backstop?

A thought to contemplate

[marky 54]

another thought to contemplate is critics corner. dunno if its a good sign or bad or if they have all just gone on holiday.

but its been very quite of late.

[Bicnarok]

This isn´t helping any party, ok maybe there are the odd people who may lean in a certain direction, which is normal and caused by upbringing. But over biast, as in only comments being let through which favour 1 party, no way whatsoever.

Anyone who who can see through the cloud can see that it doesn´t matter who is in power, its still the same, controlled by the NOW.

[conspiracy analyst]

[rodin]

Cameroon and Bliar work for the same team (still managed by Rothschild do you think?) Not sure about Brown - his Bilderberg visit was too well publicised perhaps - plus his mates keep getting chopped down.

There is no real left/right and there never was.

Egalite Liberte Fraternite

That is as logically consistent as the woman on a Alex Jones docu who famously was prepared to reliquish liberty for freedom

What system would work best/be least corruptible?

My instinct says responsible & moral Libertarian is the way to go, and the people's internet is the way to govern globally, without leaders.

And supporting it all honest money.

[Caz]

Tony Blair and the Labour Government took us into Iraq. Even though we marched the streets of London (a million of us, maybe two million).