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andrewwatson Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: 911Truth.org founder launched site at 10.35EST on 9/11 |
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from 911 Bloglines
http://www.bloglines.com/blog/ewing2001?id=2602
SEPTEMBERELEVENTH.
ORG was created on 11-Sep-2001
15:35:46 UTC by Janice Matthews.
CDT - Central Daylight Time (Kansas City, MO)
Time zone offset: UTC - 5 hours
CDT is 5 hours behind Coordinated Universal Time(UTC)
To convert UTC to CDT time you subtract 5 hours from
it. Janice Matthews registered septemberelevelth.
org
at 10:35 AM Central Daylight Time. This was only 90
minutes after published repots of flight 93 crashing
in Shanksville at 9:06 AM Central Time! What did
Janice Matthews know in order to register a web site
to support the 9-11 truth movement in such a short
time! Everyone else was suffering from shock and awe!
Posted on their web site:
"We are an action-oriented 9-11 website. Many good
websites already exist offering research and analysis
of the events of September 11th, 2001. Our purpose is
not to duplicate these efforts, nor to prove or
disprove what really happened. Rather, our goal is to
support the 9-11 truth movement itself, led by the
victims' families' efforts to obtain full government
accountability for the suspicious and unprecedented
intelligence and air defense failures that took place
before and during the attacks. What you will find on
this site are information and tools designed to help
build this movement."
http://www.septembe
releventh.
org/index.
php
http://www.networks
olutions.
com/whois/
index.jsp
Domain ID:D77180531-
LROR
Domain Name:SEPTEMBERELEVE
NTH.ORG
Created On:11-Sep-2001 15:35:46 UTC
Last Updated On:18-Oct-2006 00:43:32 UTC
Expiration Date:11-Sep-
2007 15:35:46 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Dotster, Inc. (R34-LROR)
Status:OK
Registrant ID:DOT-0BH7UOBFS06L
Registrant Name:Janice Matthews
Registrant Organization:
Individual
Registrant Street1:PO Box 140332
Registrant City:Kansas City
Registrant State/Province:
MO
Registrant Postal Code:64114
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.8009851183
Registrant Email:draviso@yahoo.
com
Admin ID:DOT-4MDUCN7IVGD5
Admin Name:Janice Matthews
Admin Organization:
Individual
Admin Street1:PO Box 140332
Admin City:Kansas City
Admin State/Province:
MO
Admin Postal Code:64114
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.8009851183
Admin Email:draviso@yahoo.
com
Tech ID:DOTC-01477165
Tech Name:Steve Simitzis
Tech Organization:
Saturn5 Productions
Tech Street1:4104 24th Street #577
Tech City:San Francisco
Tech State/Province:
CA
Tech Postal Code:94114
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.4152829979
Tech Email:steve@saturn5.
com
Name Server:ATARI.
SATURN5.COM
Name Server:INERTIA.
SATURN5.COM |
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IronSnot Relentless Limpet Shill
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Bushwacker Relentless Limpet Shill
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Stands out a mile, doesn't it -
Prior knowledge!! _________________ ".......some partial collapse [of WTC7] would not have been suspicious......." - chek |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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I think we're beginning to realise that the shills/disinformationists were working from the get go. I'm beginning to think Alex Jones is a shill as well as David Shayler. Obviously more shills have been recruited as the pressure builds.
I really do think somethings got to give this year even if it's America starting a war against Iran as more and more people are questioning 911. A war would be more of a distraction than anything else to redirect peoples attention away from 911. The worrying thing is that the perps will need a pretty big event to overshadow 911! I also don't believe it's the American government running the show but I do think it's quite likely that there are people within the government pulling strings. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
Get the Steven E Jones reports >HERE< |
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andrewwatson Moderate Poster
Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 348 Location: Norfolk
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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andrewwatson Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe I am being thick or something, but could someone please tell me why Dave is a shill? Even Nico Haupt and Rick Siegel say so - I don't understand their reasoning. He is to my mind a tactless, opinionated loud mouth - like me, and I like him. |
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andrewwatson Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Patrick - nice one! |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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andrewwatson wrote: | Maybe I am being thick or something, but could someone please tell me why Dave is a shill? Even Nico Haupt and Rick Siegel say so - I don't understand their reasoning. He is to my mind a tactless, opinionated loud mouth - like me, and I like him. |
He might not be a shill but he did mention NPT on that sky interview. Remember one aspect of the shill game is to confuse so as to keep people guessing. Andrew Johnson is guilty of this kind of shilling and as I've said before it's time for the 911 Truth Movement to make a choice and make a stand. I'm going with Jones as he's not being attacked for no reason and his evidence is pretty compelling.
We have enough evidence to force a new investigation but currently it's not coherent and that's mainly due to the shills mudding the waters. Time to choose: The blue pill or the red pill? _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
Get the Steven E Jones reports >HERE< |
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Fallious Moderate Poster
Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 762
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Why are you all assuming that septembereleventh.org was registered to be a truth campaign site? _________________ "Thought is faster than arrows, and truth is sharper than blades." - David Gemmell | RealityDown wiki |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Fallious wrote: | Why are you all assuming that septembereleventh.org was registered to be a truth campaign site? |
Well I don't.
And by the way take both pills or none as you don't want to become unbalanced! _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
Get the Steven E Jones reports >HERE< |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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andrewwatson wrote: | Maybe I am being thick or something, but could someone please tell me why Dave is a shill? Even Nico Haupt and Rick Siegel say so - I don't understand their reasoning. He is to my mind a tactless, opinionated loud mouth - like me, and I like him. |
The New Statesman has reported Shayler stating "no planes were involved in 9/11".
To view the complete New Statesman article you need to register/pay. So if anyones got an account can the they copy that article here. Here's the link: http://www.newstatesman.com/nssubsfilter.php3?newTemplate=NSArticle_NS &newDisplayURN=200609110028
This New Statesmen article can be viewd by non members: http://www.newstatesman.com/200609110028
Backup of the above here: http://www.esnips.com/doc/1419e8da-b294-4fc8-bfc7-83df8577a7cc
Shayler may well be using the same technique as other shill i.e. First get accepted and then start feeding dis-information once people see you as a leader of the 911 Movement. I also wonder if once you've joined the British secret service can you ever really leave?
I think that Shayler probably is a shill and I take everything he says with a pinch of salt. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
Get the Steven E Jones reports >HERE< |
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marky 54 Mega Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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patrick,
i understand you concerns and i would agree the no plane stuff is the first thing the press is going to pick up on and is damaging us as any one can tell from reading what they put in the linked article.
in regards of shayler being a shill im really not sure i mean you could be right, but theres just something about him doing talks around the country proving to people 9/11 was an inside job that dosnt make sense if he's a shill.
ive only seen a few of his talks and he sounds very real and dont think he really mentions no planes. like in the sky news clip he didnt say there were no planes he just said that he would advise people to slow the footage down and see whats going on there (which encourages people to look). the news reader was the one who presummed no planes could this of been the case with that article that clearly think were are ct'ers in the first place and so will over state things to discredit us by taking a minority view and imply its the main talk among us.
im not 100% sure though but dont understand why a shill would tour the country getting more on-side who will all most proberbly disagree with the NPT anyway presumming they had a fully working brain.
i hope your wrong on this one or it could make things a lot harder. |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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marky 54 wrote: | patrick,
i understand you concerns and i would agree the no plane stuff is the first thing the press is going to pick up on and is damaging us as any one can tell from reading what they put in the linked article.
in regards of shayler being a shill im really not sure i mean you could be right, but theres just something about him doing talks around the country proving to people 9/11 was an inside job that dosnt make sense if he's a shill.
ive only seen a few of his talks and he sounds very real and dont think he really mentions no planes. like in the sky news clip he didnt say there were no planes he just said that he would advise people to slow the footage down and see whats going on there (which encourages people to look). the news reader was the one who presummed no planes could this of been the case with that article that clearly think were are ct'ers in the first place and so will over state things to discredit us by taking a minority view and imply its the main talk among us.
im not 100% sure though but dont understand why a shill would tour the country getting more on-side who will all most proberbly disagree with the NPT anyway presumming they had a fully working brain.
i hope your wrong on this one or it could make things a lot harder. |
Good points and I'm not 100% that he's a shill. I just think that 60% of the public have heard about the CD theory so I'm not sute that David's talk's mean anything unless he's setting himself up as some sort of leader. If he does become a leader of the 911 Truth Movement will people believe him if he starts talking Beam Weapons? The answer is that some will but many won't and at the end of the day most will end up confused and give up.
They can't stop what's happening but they can try and redirect it towards a dead-end.
Remember the key words of a shill: Divide and confuse. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
Get the Steven E Jones reports >HERE< |
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IronSnot Relentless Limpet Shill
Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 595 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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andrewwatson wrote: | What are you talking about, Ironsnot? |
What I'm saying Andrew is that she was quick to realise the potential of the name, but so what. What I'm more interested in is that she chose a .org name instead of a more prestigious .com name - which probably means septembereleventh.com was already taken when she registered septemebereleventh.org. So I'd like to know more about septembereleventh.com.
And 911truth.org has the same postal address as septembereleventh.org if you want to chase it down a little more. |
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IronSnot Relentless Limpet Shill
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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And nobody has proven anybody to be a shill yet. Just thought I'd add that, as the accusation of "Shill" is all too common around here. Ease up. |
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andrewwatson Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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I agree.
And anyone who calls Andrew Johnson a shill is definitely two sandwiches short of a picnic. |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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andrewwatson wrote: | I agree.
And anyone who calls Andrew Johnson a shill is definitely two sandwiches short of a picnic. |
All I said was "he looks a bit ill"! _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
Get the Steven E Jones reports >HERE< |
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Headhunter Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Here it is, explained.
Quote: | Hi Thomas,
This is Emanuel Sferios, webmaster for the 9/11
Visibility Project. I'm actually the one who
registered the domain on 9/11/2001. The story is quite
interesting, in fact. You see, 9/11 was/is my
birthday, and the morning of the attacks I was so
upset because I knew that this day was going to be
used to promote war, that at 10AM I got online and
registered a bunch of different versions of
september-11.com. My thinking was only to preserve
some purity for my birthday, believe it or not. It was
only later I decided to create the 9/11 Visibility
Project. Janice Matthews is a friend, and I recently
transferred ownership of the domain to her, since I
have left the US and no longer plan to do 9/11 truth
activism.
Here is an article from the SF Chronicle, by the way,
from January 2002 that mentions the "mad rush" to buy
9/11 domain names on the morning of the attacks. The
article even mentions me at the end, because the
reporter contacted me back then. It seems I wasn't the
only one to do such a thing. In fact, I remember that
I had registered for 20 domain names that morning, but
by the time my credit card went through, 15 out of the
20
available names were purchased out from under me at
that exact moment. I ended up only with five of them.
The best ones I got, I think, are this one, as well as
these two...
september-11.com
september-llth.com
Anyway here's the link to that article...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...08/MN171299.DTL
Emanuel |
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IronSnot Relentless Limpet Shill
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Looks ok to me. Sounds genuine, although the stuff about the birthday is made up I think, still no doubt he didn't know anything beforehand.
Looks like the shillhunt will have to move on to someone else.
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Headhunter wrote: | Here it is, explained.
Quote: | Hi Thomas,
This is Emanuel Sferios, webmaster for the 9/11
Visibility Project. I'm actually the one who
registered the domain on 9/11/2001. The story is quite
interesting, in fact. You see, 9/11 was/is my
birthday, and the morning of the attacks I was so
upset because I knew that this day was going to be
used to promote war, that at 10AM I got online and
registered a bunch of different versions of
september-11.com. My thinking was only to preserve
some purity for my birthday, believe it or not. It was
only later I decided to create the 9/11 Visibility
Project. Janice Matthews is a friend, and I recently
transferred ownership of the domain to her, since I
have left the US and no longer plan to do 9/11 truth
activism.
Here is an article from the SF Chronicle, by the way,
from January 2002 that mentions the "mad rush" to buy
9/11 domain names on the morning of the attacks. The
article even mentions me at the end, because the
reporter contacted me back then. It seems I wasn't the
only one to do such a thing. In fact, I remember that
I had registered for 20 domain names that morning, but
by the time my credit card went through, 15 out of the
20
available names were purchased out from under me at
that exact moment. I ended up only with five of them.
The best ones I got, I think, are this one, as well as
these two...
september-11.com
september-llth.com
Anyway here's the link to that article...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...08/MN171299.DTL
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Well its an explanation: but is it "explained"?
Could be genuine, equally something of a doddle to cook up after the fact:
To accept it requires a man sized portion of "benefit of the doubt":
Is human nature so cynical that the events unfolding on TV that morning would lead to people registering domain names in some kind of "Gold Rush"? _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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Thermate Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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andrewwatson wrote: | And anyone who calls Andrew Johnson a shill is definitely two sandwiches short of a picnic. |
Oh I don't know... You just have to examine his post history and his all-too-desperate "I'm not a shill cos I campaign, honest, and registered under my 'real' name!!!1" script. His ludicrous defence of and association with TTWSU3 etc etc.
Anyway, on topic I don't think its that suspicious registering the name, in a country of ~300million there's a fair chance someone would have. For any number of valid reasons. I suppose the PO Box is a little hmmz though. _________________ Make love, not money. |
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IronSnot Relentless Limpet Shill
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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First impressions after searching on "Emmanuel Sferios" are that he looks beyond reproach.
I really think this shill stuff is out of control. |
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andrewwatson Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: |
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I don't find much to disagree with in Andrew's posting history,
Are you aware , incidentally, that he helped Steven Jones set up the Scholars website - I believe I am right about this - and that he started the PhysOrg forum WTC collapse thread that ran for nearly a thousand pages, and whose offspring is now on page 789?
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3108
Some shill. |
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IronSnot Relentless Limpet Shill
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: |
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No he's probably not a shill (although that's definitely not in his favour). In fact I think, despite what's said here, that there may not be any permanent shills on this board.
I'd like to point out too, that I've been called a shill by Andrew Johnson countless times now. I even made it into (as a shill of course) his analysis of nineeleven.co.uk which he's put online as well as sending to an MP. So I figure he can handle some of the same, don't you?
And shill or not, he shouldn't be a moderator. |
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