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GodSaveTheTeam Moderator
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: 9/11 truth gets BIG spread in Liverpool Echo |
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In tonight's Liverpool Echo, page ten is completely devoted to 9/11.
The article, which plugs the newly formed Merseyside Truth Movement,
focuses on David Shayler and his appearance at the 9/11 truth event on
the 25th in Hope Street.
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_head line=9-11-was-an-inside-job-says-shayler%26method=full%26objectid=1851 3424%26siteid=50061-name_page.html
In the article David says he was misquoted on the whole "no planes"
issue and it has to be said that the 'hologram' theory is not something
he gives any credence to here or in the Sky interview incident in Dec.
He also says he still believes that something other than actual jets
may have hit the buildings...and thinking about it, many anti-no-
planers consider this as a possibilty when asking what hit the
Pentagon. Many believe it may have been a missile made to look like a
jet.
It should all mean that we get a few there on the night anyway.
Big thanks go to Ayem for her amazing work. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/bobzimmerfan?feature=mhum#p/a
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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I am glad to hear David say that _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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mark_e Moderate Poster
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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It's really refreshing to see so much space given in a positive way. Nice one Merseyside! |
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Light Infantree Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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well done liverteam _________________ It's not about terror, its about illusion. It's not about war, it's about you
Stop worrying, take risks
Be brave
The revolution has been cancelled - its an evolution and everyone's included |
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Zabooka Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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The article mentions a screening of an american film called "short changed", Im sure it means "loose change" right? |
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Graham Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: |
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'Short Changed' is Davids film is it not? |
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Zabooka Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: |
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I cant find it online anywhere on google or youtube. So its not online yet? |
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PaulStott Relentless Limpet Shill
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: |
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rodin wrote: | I am glad to hear David say that |
I must get round to doing a list of the amount of times David has been "misquoted" over the years - "no planes", and his views on trades unionist Jack Jones and the KGB are just two examples of many. He seems to be very unlucky in his dealings with the media.
Perhaps, to remove any doubt, David should make his own recording of each interview he does? |
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Full article for posterity.
9/11 was an inside job says Shayler
Jan 22 2007
by Paddy Shennan, Liverpool Echo
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_head line=9-11-was-an-inside-job-says-shayler%26method=full%26objectid=1851 3424%26siteid=50061-name_page.html
EX-MI5 officer David Shayler, who will be in Liverpool to launch the Truth Movement, tells Paddy Shennan what he thinks about the New York terror attacks
FORMER spy David Shayler doesn’t have a story to tell. He has a million. And a lot of them might even be true.
Talking to him was incredibly interesting – and not just because he reckons he could be bumped off by dark forces at any time, thereby becoming the UK’s own Alexander Litvinenko.
We spoke on the ‘phone because, well, you can’t be too careful. I certainly wouldn’t fancy getting in a car with him – he says he has suffered three suspicious, potentially-fatal road accidents, in 1997 (driver fell asleep), 2002 (rear tyre exploded) and 2005 (dodgy brakes).
Call the writer and activist whatever you want, but don’t call him boring. Because you’d be as wrong as wrong can be.
This is a man who worked for MI5 for five years, sold a story to a newspaper, fled abroad and, eventually, after being called a traitor to his country, jailed.
And now . . . he claims 9/11 was an inside job.
He has even been quoted (out of context, he protests) in a magazine saying: “Yes, I believe no planes were involved in 9/11 . . . The only explanation is that they were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes . . . Watch the footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Centre.”
However, he tells the ECHO: “I was misquoted. This was a clear and deliberate attempt to send someone in and stitch us up. They used the quote out of context.
“What I am still saying is go onto the internet and look at the footage . . . people have had a go at me saying there were no planes but there is little evidence to show that jets went into the buildings. I’m entitled to say they didn’t and something else did . . . You can make some accurate calculations from Newton’s laws of motion.”
This is where he’s got me. I saw planes going into the World Trade Centre but Newton’s laws of motion are a mystery to me. As is quantum mechanics, which David also mentions during another part of our conversation.
Now a member of the 9/11 Truth Movement – formed after the publication, in July 2004, of the official 9/11 Commission Report – Shayler and his partner and fellow former MI5 officer Annie Machon will be in Liverpool later this week, as support for the “inside job” theory gathers momentum.
The newly-formed Merseyside Truth Movement is hosting “An Evening With Real Spies Unravelling The Lies” event (free admission) from 7.30pm on Thursday at The Casa in Hope Street.
Gary Fletcher, 45, from Wavertree, a rescue boat driver in the North Sea, is one of 14 members of the local group. He says: “I saw the second plane hit the World Trade Centre on TV and my initial reaction was that it was a terrorist attack. But when I saw shots from the Pentagon I thought ‘There’s something funny going on here’ – especially with four planes being able to spend that much time in the air without being shot down.”
Short Changed, a documentary about 9/11 made by a group of Americans, will be shown at the Casa and then followed by talks by Shayler and Machon on state terrorism and the aims of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
Shayler, who worked in MI5’s political and counter-terrorism departments in the early 1990s, says: “I’m not trying to blow my own trumpet but the credibility I add to the movement is enormous” (I can hear a trumpet!).
He adds: “Liverpool is one of our target cities, as it has a reputation for radicalism and questioning the powers-that-be. We are calling for the inquiry to be re-opened.”
There are, according to the non-believers, many more questions than answers – not least concerning the collapse of the twin towers: “All the evidence points to controlled demolition,” claims Shayler.
The Pentagon? “We can say, hand on heart, there is evidence of missile damage.”
Many will agree – many do agree, just look on the internet – but what about the danger of mass ridicule, in a David (“I’m the Son of God”) Icke kind of way?
“You must have the courage to tell the truth,” says Shayler.
David Shayler is 41. But will he reach 42? He says: “I believe in a higher power. I have no fear of death” – which may be just as well, as he claims: “There have been three attempts on my life in car crashes – two when I was an atheist” (he now practices Kabbalah, described as the world’s oldest body of spiritual wisdom).
Regarding the future, he says: “This is the defining issue of humanity. We have never lived with such control .”
George Bush, though? Some might say he couldn’t even control his own bowel movements. But, says Shayler, it goes much deeper than Bush and Tony Blair.
“Bush and Blair are puppets . . . Blair may be more intelligent than Bush, but they are both clearly patsies.”
But I can still hear people shouting: “This is madness!” How would you respond?
“I would say that in 20 years time their kids may be asking them ‘Why is it we used to live in a democracy and don’t any more?’”
Told you – he’s not boring, is he? _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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Dr Hemp Moderate Poster
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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PaulStott wrote: | rodin wrote: | I am glad to hear David say that |
I must get round to doing a list of the amount of times David has been "misquoted" over the years - "no planes", and his views on trades unionist Jack Jones and the KGB are just two examples of many. He seems to be very unlucky in his dealings with the media.
Perhaps, to remove any doubt, David should make his own recording of each interview he does? |
Yes of course Paul, especially when one considers the fact that the media in the UK have probably never misquoted anybody ever! _________________ Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley |
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AYEM Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: Ayem - Media & Publicity for Liverpool Talk |
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Great news about the Liverpool Echo announcing the talk here in Liverpool on Thursday25th.
Sadly the proposed interview with David, Annie & William Rodriguez on tonight's Pete Price Show on Radio City will not be going ahead due to the fact that the producer is ill. This show attracts a million listeners each evening.
We had planned to do a 'Live-Link' from the States with William as well as David and Annie linking in from London. The entire subject of tonight's show was going to be devoted to the subject of 9/11! It's a real shame that this won't be happening this evening - but no worries
They were apologetic about this and hoped that they could still go ahead with the interview after the producer returns. Even though the interview won't take place before Thurs the 25th - they have said that they "Will announce live on air, on tonight's show - the details of the meeting and venue" etc.
Get listening to tonight's show - and please feel free to call in and respond to this announcement.
Liverpool Merseymart -
This is a free weekly newspaper and is circulated throughout the whole of Merseyside - The editor has assured me that he has included details of the talk in this week's edition. However, due to print deadlines having already passed etc - it may be worded as 9/11 Truth as opposed to Merseyside Truth.
BBC Radio Merseyside -
An announcement for the talk in Liverpool has already been aired on the Roger Phillips show. I look forward to seeing if they'll interview David and Annie next time they're up in this neck of the woods.
Universities -
Sadly there is no longer an 'Icon' radio station at Liverpool University - its licence was not renewed but their press office was informed about the talk early last week. The same goes for John Moore's University, Hope University and Liverpool Institue of Performing Arts.
I know that a there has been alot of interest about the talk being filmed and heard today that a documentary film maker involved with the Stop The War Campaign here on Merseyside, is also going to be attending on Thursday.
Incidentally here is some great news about the Ipswich Truth Group making their presence felt at a Stop The War Campaign meeting which takes place this evening. Networking really does work!
Ipswich Truth have been invited along at a meeting tonight which is focusing on a number of issues:
Bring the Troops Home, No to Islamophobia, No Trident Replacement Public Meeting: Lecture Hall, Central Library, Old Foundry Road, Ipswich at 7.30pm. Speakers - Andrew Murray, Chair of Stop the War Coalition.
Mell Harrison, CND Eastern Region.
Ipswich Truth will have stand of DVDs booklets, leaflets, stickers etc. We will also have a laptop on which we will be showing WTC7 collapse.
The idea here is to have a presence and show the STWers that the 911 issue is very much part of the picture.
Should be interesting with Andrew Murray present - can't wait to hear his view on 911
A big thanks from me to Carl from the Ipswich group and Pikey too (Lancaster) - who, all the way, have been right behind supporting the Merseyside Group.
Edge Hill College have also expressed an interest in hosting a talk in the future, which should be of great interest to students and members of their Law Faculty, - especially from the point of view that 9/11, a major forensic crime scene had evidence that was disturbed and not investigated properly. I'm inviting someone from the college to attend Thursday's talk to come along and see for themselves what we're all about.
Roll on Thursday!
AYEM.
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Pikey Banned
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andrewwatson Moderate Poster
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Several people on this forum and others have called Dave a shill.
I'll say it again. Please, M15, CIA, whoever the bad guys are - could we have more shills like David please? |
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paul wright Moderator
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:02 am Post subject: |
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'Short Changed' is the yet unreleased Shayler-Adrian version of Loose Change
Could still do with some cleaning up in its editing
Is it proposed this will be released? _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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PaulStott Relentless Limpet Shill
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yage New Poster
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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A much better one to Larry's rant can be read here (does that guy actually stalk David Shayler, as whenever Dave gets a mention anywhere on the media, Larry publishes on his web site a badly researched rebuke, usually based on personality attacks, rather than actually the substance of what David has to say).
Dear Larry,
I see you are again being typically vague in your latest character assassination on MI5 whistleblower David Shayler in your letter to the Liverpool Echo dictating who their journalists should interview. Then again, you lefties have always had this in common with the right-wing Neo-Cons of the New World Order in that you believe in censorship and control of the media to further your own political ideas and gain.
Fortunately, media coverage of the 911 Truth Movement is on the up. Next month William Rodriguez, the last survivor from the Twin Towers who saved hundreds of lives on that day is to tour the UK, with a string of newspaper, radio and TV interviews already arranged. It will be interesting to see how your pathetic organisation attempts to discredit and slur Mr Rodriguez, who actually heard the explosives going off in the buildings, yet his evidence to the 911 Whitewash/ Commission was held in secret and subsequently ignored.
Has it ever occurred to you that David Shayler gets regular media coverage at local, national and international level on all forms of media, because he is actually interesting, charismatic and well informed on his subject? As much as you try to stop the truth about 9/11 coming out, now I don’t know if this is because you are in the employment of the Security Services of merely plain stupid, you can be rest assured that David Shayler will continue to get far more media coverage than you or your slanderous web site could ever dream of.
Yours,
A secret unadmirer. |
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kookomula Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: Those crazy conspiracy theorists..... |
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This question on no-planes is going to be difficult to shake off. It's sensational and makes for a 'quirky' interview, but too sensational for the majority of the public and possibily quite alienating for many people. It could be true, who knows, at this stage frankly it is not a major concern of mine, odd as is may sound. For those people who have read alot about 9-11, no-planes is an idea that we can handle but for the uninitiated it's a big jump and only contributes to the wild conspiracy theorist tag. It's boring and we've been over it a million times but the majority of the population have no idea about the movement and need to know more about the background than no-planes. What got the majority of us interested in the first place?
Being true to ourselves and trying to stick to our principals is our guiding light but in the case of no-planers it might be a case (at this stage) of taking one step forward and two back.
Saying all that great spread in the paper and David you're right, without you we'd be nothing - or at least no where near WHAT WE ARE! Keep pulling in the crowds. |
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