No. 10 Proposes Nazi Police State For UK

[hampton]

the people who come up with this stuff are sickos who shouldn't be anywhere near government.

"...the Government should consider drastic crime-curbing remedies used abroad, such as rationing the amount of alcohol people can buy, a ban on alcohol advertising, ID chip implants, the use of bounty hunters and "chemical castration" for sex offenders...."

you see this is a crime economy. they pretend to be obsessed with eradicating crime but all they do is encourage it.
without it they would loose a major fear producer and justification of their police-state.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/24/ncrime 24.xml
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Crime is likely to rise for the first time in 12 years and the prison population to leap to 100,000, says a leaked Downing Street report.

A document drawn up by Tony Blair's strategy unit warns that a slowdown in economic growth is threatening to reverse recent falls in crime. It predicts that the jail population could rise by 25 per cent, topping 100,000 within the next five years, and outstripping the planned rate of growth in prison places.
It says the Government should consider drastic crime-curbing remedies used abroad, such as rationing the amount of alcohol people can buy, a ban on alcohol advertising, ID chip implants, the use of bounty hunters and "chemical castration" for sex offenders. The 60-page report, Policy Review: Crime, Justice and Cohesion, written last month, also makes controversial observations about social cohesion. In a blow to Labour's record, it speaks of a growing wealth gap, saying: "The very poorest have got poorer since 1997."
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this is interesting because they mention 911 several times and lord drayson is from powderject
(an unnecessary middleman for smallpox vaccines after 911)
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2006-11-20a.112.2
http://ww.voidstar.com/ukpoliblog/index.php/fid/532

[uselesseater]

Think tanks are full of the scum of the earth.

Rationing Alcohol? Who the hell do they think they are kidding?

This country is turning into a socialist hell hole.

Are they actually predicting an economic slump in 2007? Their own publications are not predicting this, I think they need more time to get their money out.

As predicted by those who have eyes to see, the purpose of the evolving police state is to strap us down while they rob us blind.

This makes me angry at the scum who think they can treat us like this but not as angry as I am at the weak, self loathing, deniers amond the population who will think it's a great idea. You know the ones 'Yes chip implants but it's only for criminals'. Absolute cowardly scum.

[hampton]

whilst i fully understand why this makes you angry and it's your right to get angry
i believe anger is not very good for your health.

[Leiff]

Having our green and pleasant land turned into Devil's Island by the traitorous globalists is enough to make anyone slightly miffed!

[uselesseater]

You're quite right but it gets so tired when we all knew ages ago that they would come out with this stuff.

What I feel are worse than the globalists are the people who snigger and make say tin foil hat when you try and warn them that we are witnessing the rise of fascism (actually it's already here). I wouldn't mind if the evidence was a bit shaky but its al there infront of your face.

These pathetic group think cowards who concern themselves with how they are viewed by others deserve everything they get - though I will still continue to warn them
.

[hampton]

i neglected to say that blair recommended lord drayson for peerage.
lord drayon donated £50k to the labour party donor while the gov decided who should get a TB vaccine contract and his company powderject made £32mil on smallpox vaccines after 911.

they're just so blatently obvious and greedy but then that's how criminals operate!

[Mark Gobell]

Thanks Hampton.

Christmas Eve - a good day to wrap up future policy ?

Here is the report:

http://www.times-archive.co.uk/onlinespecials//crime1.pdf
http://www.times-archive.co.uk/onlinespecials//crime2.pdf

[blackcat]

[uselesseater]

New Labour right wing?

I don't think theres much right wing about them. It's just another brand of socialism more akin to Hitlers brand where the corporate lobby have complete freedom and control but the government taxes and spends like theres no tomorrow and interferes in your life down to the smallest detail. Most people put Hitlers National Socialists on the right for some reason but Hitler himself said National Socialism and Communism were basicly the same thing. The only slight, semantical difference is in National Socialism the corporations own everything including the government whereas in Communism the government supposedly own everything but really a bunch of private interests own everything including the government. There is basicly no difference.

The same thing is going on in the US. Most people think Bush is a right wing conservative when he has the biggest government possible.

More accurately we are seeing a fusion of Communism/Socialism and Super/Monopoly Capitalism or the 3rd way in both countries. It's only free market for the monopolists and the government is bigger and more intrusive than ever.

One of the biggest lies is that Blair, Bush or any of their backers are for free markets - they are monopoly men. They want a free market for the big boys and cheap labour while the small business man is regulated to death from Brussels.

They whole left right thing is just to get people squabbling between themselves anyway while the elite rob and rape us.

It's us against them.

[blackcat]

If you think there was anything Socialist about Hitlers Germany or that there is anything Socialist about Blair's so-called "New Labour" then you have a very different view of Socialism than I have. You said that Britain was turning into a Socialist hell hole. I say that Sweden is Socialist and is no hell hole. I say that 1960s Britain was Socialist , when the Open University was introduced and Child Benefit and a range of measures we take for granted today. Britain is turning into a right-wing dictatorship by people who have a label that is the opposite of what they are in reality, rather like Communist Russia which was anything but Communist. Britain may be turning into a hell hole but it is precisely because the government have abandoned any tenets of Socialism just like the US government have abandoned any Christian behaviour though they pretend to be Christian in name.

[Bowery Boy]

Whether the State takes over the corporate - Stalinism - or the corporate takes over the State - Blairism - the merger is, by definition, fascism.

[uselesseater]

Blackcat:

How do you define socialism and what do you consider right wing about New Labour?

[uselesseater]

[blackcat]

VERY broadly Socialism = co-operation and fairness. Conservatism = competition and free for all. I believe every social advance western societies have made has been in the face of opposition from right wing politicians. Any Conservative from previous generations would be flabbergasted at what is accepted by present day Conservatives, as Socialist advances have had to be (reluctantly) embraced by the right of centre. The NHS is one such institution and under Thatcher had to be undermined by stealth and underfunding, as she would never have dared to state openly her opposition to such a Socialist institution. I believe Blairs support for the wealthy and the corporations and the growing divide between theose who have and those who have not is indicative of the right-wing nature of his politics. His support for the Iraq war, which was only passed in Parliament with the support of the so-called Conservative "opposition" is another indication of where his true politics lie. The growing prison population, (itself a reflection of a nation divided between haves and have nots) and his governments embracing of more and more repressive legislation, as well as targetting innocent Muslims as scapegoats, also tars him with the right-wing label in my opinion.

[suspecta]

It could be said that Tony Blair was a right-wing plant all along, if it's true that he was really working for MI5 as a plant within CND back in the early 80's, as reported by David Shayler. What decent, instinctively left-wing person would ever choose to spy on anti-war activists and report back to the intelligence services? The intelligence services, especially back then, shy away from amyone with left wing sympathies.

If this is true, then Blair has been an altogether sinister person all along with a true agenda we can only guess at.

To be fair, Blair did have long hair and played in a rock band at uni, not something young Tories were known for back then, but I believe he was a Christian type as well, which I'm afraid usually gets my antennae waving around. Hmm.

[uselesseater]

Blackcat:

I think we can all agree that co-operation and fairness is what is most desirable, this is humanity. I don't however agree that this is unique to socialism. Paleo-conservatives would point to the integral need for every person to excercise their civic duty and basic human morality of caring for the poorest and those unable to care for themselves.

The character of the two systems are so broad and have become so erroneousley represented to us that it's a complete head mess at times. . I think this is an intentional part of the fake left right bussiness that is used to confuse and keep us fighting between ourselves. We are led to believe that Socialism is loving and Capitalism is somehow uncaring but manly. This is where the left-right paradigm evolved from a few hundered years ago i.e. the male and female personality types. You can see how this is still in effect buy the types of personalities which each side attracts. IMHO both sides are a distraction. The real paradigm, which everyone used to know 100 years ago was freedom vs authority.

You say conservatism is competition and free for all. For arguments sake lest say this is capitalism as conservatism can have multiple defenitions depending on what you are conserving. We don't have free markets or real competition under our government, which is often refered to as right wing. We have a free hand for multi national corporations but as these interests who own the government want to protect their position they want the opposite of free markets i.e. captive markets where genuine economic freedom os not permitted so noone can threaten their position. This is why wealthy bankers and western industrialists helped fund the Bolshevic revolution.

Would you agree that one of the main defining characteristic of socialism is that property and wealth are subject to control as opposed to no control under a capitalist system? If so the problem is who controls this process. In the worst cases this can lead to what we have in the UK and US which is massive government budgets. Commonly known as 'big government', corporations love this as the government tax the people under the pretext of the common good, whereas in truth the tax ends up with the governements corporate buddies who are supposed to provide the services.

This is a brilliant piece of cloak and dagger by the people who control both sides. Trick the people into thinking their tax is being used to help the poor when really it is being distributed upwards.

I used to be a socialist but my main problem with it is that it requires you to think that you can trust a government, which I don't think you ever can as private interests will always want to take over powerful organisations for their own benefit. I now think that due to the nature of humans in their current state that there is no ideal political system but the best of a bad bunch is to preserve personal freedom as much as possible an to limit government power as much as possible. The most fundamental need is for debt free money creation. No market can be free without this. We react against what we are told are the results of free markets, when in truth we have probably never had a free market ever.

Regarding my origional point about the socialist hell hole: One characteristic of socialism is the tendency for the inteligensia in government (social scientists like Patricia Hewit) have the ever increasing tendency to interfere in everybodies life, thinking that they know best. I sense you are more of a libertarian-left person as you are clearly not in favour of this.

[hampton]

the nhs is one of the biggest killers in the uk and prescribes and administers all manner of poisons with no focus on prevention.

it's not in their corporate masters interests to have a healthy population.

the open university isn't very open and is very expensive. surely with e-learning it should be practically free.

also many bills have only passed with help from conservatives and the 30 or so bribed scottish mps,
who shouldn't even be there now as they've got their own parliament.

[blackcat]

[hampton]

of course there is much merit in these big ideas eg. nhs, un, eu, oyster cards, police, etc. if they were run by the people for the people. but they're not, they are run by nasty crooks with global domination on their minds and most of the hierarchical structures beneath them don't have clue.

i think the idea now is to have people caught up in rubbish jobs like b*rgerking to pretend there's low unemployment.

just look at the number of rubbish jobs there are. all those rubbish companies can't be making money. it's a racket. they're subsidised poison factories. modern day slavery if you like.

[James C]

This report and the issue of an economic slump as the determining factor is due to one thing - a looming energy crisis.

Unless you are from the planet Mars, you will have probably noticed that we are fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which are about oil and gas respectively (Afghanistan is about an gas pipeline which runs from the Caspian Basin to Pakistan). There are problems in Darfur, again about oil and Russia is playing politics with its neighbours over its gas supply; the same supply that we will be totally reliant upon within the next decade although we are at the end of the line (our own gas will run out within 10 years!).

Most of you will have heard about yet rejected the notion of peak oil (and peak gas). Accept it or not, it is getting ever closer and when its full effects are felt we will see a massive and permanent recession; a depression. This could bring with it human revolt, the breakdown of society and all out lawlessness, exactly the issues the government, here and in the US, want to be ready for. This is why ID cards, immigration controls, playing the race card and climate change are key political stategies right now. The false terrorism and 9/11 are part of the plan to lure the public into believing the these wars and reduction in civil liberties are worthy causes to maintain the status quo. The reality is that the status quo is set to change regardless over the next few years and for the worse. The writing is on the wall so don't reject it in favour of some grand conspiracy by the oiligarchs (although they are protecting themselves and couldn't really care less about the general public - 9/11 proves this).

I await the barage of criticism to this post which always happens. After promoting peak oil to people for the past 3.5 years I am used to the constant negative reaction, just as I am when I discuss 9/11. Most of the moderators on here believe me to be talking rubbish and have spent many an occasion trying to rubbish my views but they know no more than me. I urge everyone to read more about peak oil. Even Alex Jones might be right about the subject when he talks about abiotic oil but even if abiotic oil is true he fails to understand how slow a process it is (from the tiny tiny tiny number of examples where it's meant to be happening) and so we are still stuffed. Don't remain blinkered, wake up to reality. Iraq and Afghanistan are not happening because of some weird domination plan, they are happening to establish control over the last remaining large scale oil and gas supplies in the world; which in reality will only save us from economic meltdown by a few years!

The US and UK governments know this and we can expect to see many more reports like this over the next few years. Just don't expect the government to tell you the real reasons. This video might explain why.

Oil, Smoke and Mirrors

[conspiracy analyst]

[rodin]

[James C]

[wepmob2000]

[blackcat]

There are enough known coal deposits in Britain to fuel the UK for a thousand years. There are problems making a change and problems reducing pollution but now that oil is over $60 a barrel coal could be burned cleanly in power stations and done profitably. For an interesting story on just how perfidious the oil industry is, see the video "Who killed the electric car". We could be driving around in them NOW if the project was not scotched by evil people.

http://movies.go.com/movies/movie?name=who-killed-the-electric-car_200 6&genre=documentary&studio=Sony+Pictures+Classics&CMP=OTC-RY3575180518

[wepmob2000]

[James C]

Thanks for the support wepmob2000. You are of course correct when you point out how much is being spent on the Middle East given that many people either deny peak oil or suggest it to be fabrication.

Here's an interesting article from todays Independent. It gives a background as to why Cheney is doing what he is doing (not that it excuses him or makes him a saviour of course)

Geoffrey Lean: Oil. The fast-vanishing drug the world can't yet live without

[wepmob2000]

Hi James,

Thats an excellent article, one that everyone should read. Its odd to think that in the future the Bush Administration may be thought of as some kind of visionary saviours, at least in the USA. It also makes one wonder, if the general public en masse in the West knew about the implications of Peak Oil? Would there be massive support for a war against Iran, perhaps an occupation of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Kuwait?

[hampton]

it saddens me that people have been persuaded to over-use natural resources which could have lasted us for thousands of years.

of course there are bio fuels like hemp and renewables. we could even dramatically reduce energy/resource comsumption through radical efficiency measures.

i think there is much evidence that this rapid resource depletion and economic collapse has been planned for some time.

many energy efficient designs have been bought by corporations and shelved, never to be seen again.

we were told that stocks were dangerously low, yet in the supermarkets cod was on special offer!

[alfsevic]

Hi all,
after reading most of the posts, I decided maybe I should register here in case I wanted to comment. After reading about Peak Oil I was fairly shocked and searched for more information, after finding the names of people who had worked in the bush regime saying Peak Oil was a fact I became a bit doubtful and at this site put my mind at ease.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/index.htm

alfsevic