When you say Andrew Johnson, I take it you mean the former President ?
I find this a very difficult question.
As a Republican Liberal Christian Democrat Muslim Nationalist I have mixed feelings.
Those feelings are, as I say, mixed in a melange of political intrigue and existential just beingism. Whilst I acknowledge his efforts in the turbulent years of the birth of the American dream, I, myself, was asleep and had a nightmare.
Notwithstanding his magnificent efforts he didn't do much. He was a lazy energetic, fastidious, carefree man, who had the body of a woman and yet exhibited childish traits in a mature, grown up way.
This complex self starter always needed external motivation, and yet, and not even then, before and presently, the crux of his character proved elusive and yet remains obvious.
It's hard to tell and much harder to know, individually, or as part of a whole, why, and indeed, if, the question is answerable in the current political climate, which is changing, all around us, globally and at the same time locally.
I am therefore unable to vote. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
why a second poll on aj? he works hard to wake people up to 9/11.
he helps others when and where he can, he puts effort in where it really counts and mostly of his own back from what i can tell.
now for me a shill is someone who does nothing in the form of waking people up to the truth! but quite the opposite infact. either by pooing on true facts or claiming to give out truth but delibratly making sure they only give out disinfo.
aj spends alot of time and effort doing all he can to wake people up regardless of which theorys he believes he dosnt make them a factor in doing so and sticks to facts inregards to events/waking people up.
i have not seen spam of disinfo from aj on any subject matter. ok some of us dont believe NPT or beams but that should'nt be used to judge everyone. there are geniune people who believe certain theorys and do serious research into it but dont make that the basis for informing people about 9/11. the only ones im concerned about with these theorys are the ones who spam flimsy evidence and then deny any evidence going against it trying to push something not true as fact on everyone.
(check out cb brooklyn's posts for serious shilling and causing friction between NPT'ERS AND PLANE HUGGERS! by using disinfo and laughable reasoning and avoidance of answering questions.)
aj gives a lot of his time to the movement and i bet it goes a lot ferther than just posting here, he informs people on the facts, puts effort into publising events and helps others who need help and thats just from what im aware of.
i am 100% sure he's not a shill. the only reason i can see aj being called a shill is because of theorys people believe in and im sorry but aj's actions speak louder than words and any theory dosnt play a part in informing people, waking them up making events successfull.
how ever i am 100% sure 1 or 2 shills have infiltrated the npt/beams to cause friction by posting disinfo plane huggers will attack NPT'ers with. remember divide and conquer is their game.
1. so we have serious researchers into npt ect (which aj fits into)
2. we have (shills) people playing mind games with npt ect
What I really wanted to ask was: Is Andrew a Shela? But hey it's not my style to be controversial so I'll leave that sort of thing to Woods, Fetzer and Reynolds. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk Get the Steven E Jones reports>HERE<
Thanks Marky54 - I greatly appreciate your comments. There are people working harder than I do to "spread the word".
I don't know what a "Shela" is - some kind of Italian pasta dish? Or is it the Australian for "woman"? Usual "on topic posting" from PB (just think if his middle name were Timothy or Tony!!) _________________ Andrew
I always assumed MI5 agents lived in real houses, but didn't totally believe it till now.
Regardless, I voted: Could be. I rather assume you are a kind hearted fool. _________________ "Thought is faster than arrows, and truth is sharper than blades." - David Gemmell | RealityDown wiki
OK Andrew where do you stand with regards to planes impacting the WTC towers? While I'm at it do you still think that Beam Weapons offer a more viable alternative to explosives or the official line of jet fuel and impact damage as the cause for the towers to collapse? If you do believe that Beam Weapons are a possibility then give us a once over on how they would have been used and that includes building 7?
I would also like to ask if you're still in regular contact with Woods, Reynolds, Fetzer and Shayler? And as you're such a key figure on this forum can you fill us in on the latest Steven Jones research? _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk Get the Steven E Jones reports>HERE<
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 1158 Location: South Essex
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: Is Patrick Brown a shill?
Well I dunno really,but considering the amount of time and effort PB has been putting in to highlight certain questionable posts regarding the NPT
by AJ, it's only fair dinkum to ask what are the intentions of PB's posts?
They seem divisive at the very least,and I'm pretty sure if you asked PB to forward proffesionally made material,including numerous dvd's,deception £20's and laminated fact sheets on 9/11 they would come, if at all at a price more than a pack of stamps.
Stop your campaign PB, it says more about you than it ever could about AJ's motives.
Look if Andrew can promote NPT and Beam Weapons as well as sticking up for 4U2P, Woods, Reynolds and Fetzer then I can't see why anybody should have any problems we me pulling him up on it.
There are several people on this forum that found past comments from Andrew rather bizarre. I haven't been around for a few weeks but I have a feeling that Andrew has stopped talking about Beam Weapons and NPT. If he has stopped then my moaning may well have had some benefits for the more easily lead.
People who haven't heard the Fetzer Jones interview should take the time to do so as Andrew seems to have nothing but admiration for Fetzer! _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk Get the Steven E Jones reports>HERE<
OK Andrew where do you stand with regards to planes impacting the WTC towers? While I'm at it do you still think that Beam Weapons offer a more viable alternative to explosives or the official line of jet fuel and impact damage as the cause for the towers to collapse? If you do believe that Beam Weapons are a possibility then give us a once over on how they would have been used and that includes building 7?
I would also like to ask if you're still in regular contact with Woods, Reynolds, Fetzer and Shayler? And as you're such a key figure on this forum can you fill us in on the latest Steven Jones research?
RE BW and NBB//NPT - I have made plenty of posts. Click on my profile and "find posts" it's easy enough.
Re: Correspondence
I have corresponded most with Judy Wood, a little with Morgan Reynolds, hardly at all with Dave Shayler (though we've had some good chats) and I have corresponded with Steve Jones too.
The latest piece of research that Steve Jones has mentioned seems to be an attempt to debunk the pulverisation/dustification based on selected elements of a paper published in 2001. It seems he has quoted figures from this, to back up a certain point of view, but then he has omitted key words in the paper's "Abstract" section.
Having fun Patty? Glad to know you are self-documenting too! _________________ Andrew
OK Andrew where do you stand with regards to planes impacting the WTC towers? While I'm at it do you still think that Beam Weapons offer a more viable alternative to explosives or the official line of jet fuel and impact damage as the cause for the towers to collapse? If you do believe that Beam Weapons are a possibility then give us a once over on how they would have been used and that includes building 7?
I would also like to ask if you're still in regular contact with Woods, Reynolds, Fetzer and Shayler? And as you're such a key figure on this forum can you fill us in on the latest Steven Jones research?
I have corresponded with all the people you mention - probably with Judy most of all. I have also corresponded with Steve Jones, but he didn't answer the questions I asked of him, or respond to the comments I made.
You can read "where I stand" on NBB and BW issues - it's perfectly simple - click on my profile button then "find all posts" and away you go, chuck.
I don't know where you get the idea that I admire Fetzer. I posted the interview between Jones and him before I listened to it. Fetzer rightly got quite a bit of stick for it. Ye see Pat, the way this "truth" thing works, you post stuff - warts and all - and let it speak for itself - ye know?
I do hope you're enjoying yourself. It would be a terrible shame if you weren't. _________________ Andrew
OK Andrew where do you stand with regards to planes impacting the WTC towers? While I'm at it do you still think that Beam Weapons offer a more viable alternative to explosives or the official line of jet fuel and impact damage as the cause for the towers to collapse? If you do believe that Beam Weapons are a possibility then give us a once over on how they would have been used and that includes building 7?
I would also like to ask if you're still in regular contact with Woods, Reynolds, Fetzer and Shayler? And as you're such a key figure on this forum can you fill us in on the latest Steven Jones research?
I have corresponded with all the people you mention - probably with Judy most of all. I have also corresponded with Steve Jones, but he didn't answer the questions I asked of him, or respond to the comments I made.
You can read "where I stand" on NBB and BW issues - it's perfectly simple - click on my profile button then "find all posts" and away you go, chuck.
I don't know where you get the idea that I admire Fetzer. I posted the interview between Jones and him before I listened to it. Fetzer rightly got quite a bit of stick for it. Ye see Pat, the way this "truth" thing works, you post stuff - warts and all - and let it speak for itself - ye know?
I do hope you're enjoying yourself. It would be a terrible shame if you weren't.
Andrew you forgot to tell us where you stand regarding NPT and Beam Weapons. Come on don't be shy. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk Get the Steven E Jones reports>HERE<
With due respect. I must ask you (whether you believe this is in any sort of defence of Andrew Johnson or not)... whether or not you believe this post and the poll with it is a bit too far? Its a bit too close to a personal attack for my taste. It is basically slunder is it not?
I dont know what a SHILL really is, I think someone explained the meaing of it to me, however its a word I do not use thus do not get the chance of it be practiced into memory.
I would like to point out to the first few minutes of the following
What is said here about what I suppose you call "shills" is dealt with in a fitting manner. How many of us are living up to these noble principles that Truthers are meant to be worthy of?
Stop the Paranoia and Witch Hunts... thats the worst way to react to "shills", or whatever word befits.
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 3187 Location: Here to help!
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:54 am Post subject:
I think Andrew's been very indulgent with you today PB: but I also think this thread has gone far enough: theres really nothing substantial in it and its senselessly unproductive: therefore I'm locking the thread. I'd like you to consider that you've taken your current drive against Andrew far enougth. After all, you are the man who asked me if I knew anything about the law of attraction
To the best of my knowledge, there is no pressure on Andrew to do anything else but carry on moderating here for as long as it suits him: and no amount of polls or accusatory threads are going to turn any of the admin team against each other
At the heart of this campaign, what we personally think happened on 9/11 is not what holds us together: its knowing that what we're told about 9/11 isn't what happened, and we want to do something about it, stop things getting any worse, and get our world back: preferably by making it a working world where their is fairness established between all nations and the pressure for war becomes a thing of the past: all our leaders are failing us every day that passes when they do not deliver that: and that's where self-responsibility comes in. And with all this at stake, your putting your attention into whether Andrew Johnson is a "shill" PB? I'd say find your centre and seek some inspiration _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
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