Stepping towards the truth

[Patrick Brown]

Stepping back from the chaos and chatter of forums such as this can often be a useful exercise as the calm brings clarity. I've come to the conclusion that instead of one side being guilty they are in fact both guilty. We then can understand why such an extreme polarization is being forced by certain groups. The motives of such groups seem to range from anarchy, religious jihad, oil and the destabilising of western governments.

It seems that the LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) scenario is the most likely as everybody gets what they want! The problem of the current “911 Truth Movements” mindset is to think that one side is somehow less guilty than the other. Consequently the arguments of who and why are just a smoke screen blinding the movement to the reality that 911 was simply a product of power, governments and the out of control greed the pervades our world.

As soon as governments started their romantic interlude with the big boys of buSINess the outcome was inevitable. Thatcher was the whore that sold this country down the pan. We now find ourselves in a situation where we can't trust out governments. The anarchists are frothing at the mouth, the jihaddists are queuing up to die and the rich buy another Bentley as they swim in the bloody stench of their own vanity-driven self-delusion.

So arguing the toss about 911 is just a cul-de-sac that keeps people bickering while the cancer grows and the sickness gathers speed. I'm not calling for anarchy but for transition a move that will take the snake, by the throat, and put it back in the box. It's time to “not” vote as the old system is corrupt it's time for a new system that is adaptive and sustainable that will facilitate and not dominate. Time to stop and think because the past and future will always be there so lets make our memories and dreams something to be cherished and not feared.

The truth is not 911!

[ian neal]

There is much for us to agree on here, Patrick.

In particular your view that both 'sides' are responsible for the infighting within the movement and that this turns off the vast majority of campaigners. In my opinion we give these squabbles far too much attention and we should focus on what unites us rather than what divides us.

Also your statement that the truth (regarding the state of the world) is so much bigger than 9/11. Absolutely

[brian]

Patrick Brown, you say -

"It seems that the LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) scenario is the most likely as everybody gets what they want! I've come to the conclusion that instead of one side being guilty they are in fact both guilty

It is certainly not what I want. I have seen no evidence to back up your claim of shared guilt for 911. Have you? |Can you post it?

ian says- "the "truth" (regarding the state of the world) is so much bigger than 9/11."

Has there ever been a more obvious truth than 911 that can be demonstrated which would lead to a recognition of greater more pertinent truths?

This all sounds like defeatism and deliberate obfuscation to me.

[ian neal]

Just to clarify, I was referring to a shared responsibility amongst various rival groups within the 9/11 truth movement for the infighting that continues to plague the movement and not 9/11 itself.

For example the attacks on Dave von Kleist etc by Mike R and Mark R or the attacks from both sides of the 'controversial theories' debate.

Having re-read what Patrick posted I suspect he is saying that both the CIA and Al Qaeda were responsible for 9/11. I would argue that the 2 are so intertwined as to be inseparable and so the distinction is largely meaningless.

Given that I have probably misread what Patrick was saying, please ignore my post

[Patrick Brown]

[Bongo]

Patrick Wrote:

[Patrick Brown]

I'm beginning to think the that maybe the Arabs were just going to hijack the planes. Once they were aboard everyone was gassed and the computer controlled auto pilot took over. It's also possible that the whole plan (this is the CIA inside job bit) was designed very quickly possible within weeks of uncovering the hijack plot. The south tower had a major power down a couple of days before 911 and the White House plane didn't go according to plan because maybe the poison gas didn't work. We also have the strange goings on at building 7 which may well have been rigged on the day.

[Newspeak International]

[Patrick Brown]

[Newspeak International]

The 21/7 "bombers" were it seems to me,a galvanising effort for the publics benefit to establish through eyewitness and video evidence what they could not achieve on 7/7,because that was a pure false flag operation.

What is your problem Patrick you seem to want to establish the case for a real Muslim threat,when we all should know this is a ruse by intel agencies both private and govern-mental elements to set the false agenda proper of the War of Terror in the UK.

You are not a real "Truther" are you Patrick?

[Patrick Brown]

[Newspeak International]

[Newspeak International]

"Muslim extremists blowing themselves up in the name of god is a hoax? Perhaps you wish to remain blind to the possibility that religion can rote peoples minds? Perhaps you don't understand that the cleaving to religion is bound up with fear and people tend to lose their objectivity and do irrational things when fearful."

In relation to 7/7 there is no evidence for muslim extremists carrying out the events described in the government account,and in the msm.

"I think the game is bigger than you can comprehend therefore you need to get beyond the stumbling block of effects and seek the causes. Alas you would never make a doctor."

I see dead people,maybe you're right but persuing your attacks of individuals in the movement is a step forward in what way exactly?

I notice your website has no link to the events of 7/7,why is that?

Just my small intellect asking,as you state "I have no comprehension of the bigger game" of this new world order thingy.

[Snowygrouch]

I think it is very easy once you are "clued up" on 9/11 to begin seeing all evil events as nessesarily being the responsibility of the perps.

This is not the case and really 9/11 is just the most recent and blatant manifestation of the world mailiase that surrounds our current global position.

I believe there ARE many 'genuine' terrorists who have no backing other than a grudge and a rusty AK47, however the incidents that occur through these actions should be recodnised for what they are; small localised uprisings. The trick is to realise that any raggid band of p*****S off people cannot possibly mobilise the resources or means to carry out really big operations like 9/11.

We have to be careful to remember that the neo-cons/NWO are NOT responsible for much of the wrong that currently goes on around us (just most of it ).

Once we start going around declaring that "they did it all" (with reference to all terrorist actions) we are then correctly labeled as paraniod conspiracy theorists. The point is also that with LIHOP there is really minimal difference to MIHOP as LIHOP still requires stand down and demolitions. Thus STILL requiring substancial backing and organization.

I did enjoy pulling the threads from every perspective I disagreed with on this forum, but about a month ago I realised its just so irrelavent and counter-productive to do so there is no point.

So I suppose I just almost made a case for my deleting my own post there....Just saying when you separate our separate positions into their component parts there aint much difference.

C.

[Bongo]

Patrick Brown,

Just remember, there has not been a single human death caused by a conclusive terrorist attack on mainland Great Britain since the IRA carried out attacks in the 1980's... and before that it was German bombs in the 2nd world war.

... Ps. 7/7 was a pile of nonsense.......

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off... precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.


HOST: So lets get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons; I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.


(BBC Radio Interview, 7 July 2005)


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[Patrick Brown]

So Bongo you have all the facts right?

[Newspeak International]