Daniel Obachike's blog - Tavistock Square survivor

[Prole]

I doubt that I will ever have the last word Rachel but you had already gone into a rather long (but inaccurate) description of this article before I posted the picture:

[karlos]

Rachel - lets ignore the Mills and Boon stuff and ask you some obvious questions.
We want to discuss 7/7 nothing else so why do you keep posting stuff like:

[Rachel]

My background was explained, let me remind you, to correct lies about me on this board and to show why attempts to publish my address on a forum are not on because as a result of my background it places me in danger.

As to answering your questions, I owe you nothing. Nobody who was there owes you anything. Not their time, not their details, not their consideration of what you have to say. Understand that?


I don't think people here have really ever taken this obvious fact on board. Nobody affected by 7/7 owes you anything. They never have and they never will.

Now I make an observation that has struck me over the last 2 years about these boards and the behaviour of many people on them that I have noted.

It is interesting to me that any hint of emotion is attacked as ''shrill/hysterical/Mills & Boon stuff'', all the usual insults. It clearly makes many of you very uncomfortable when real human emotion is shown, or it leaves many of you entirely unmoved, or even angry.

What I think many of you totally fail to understand, or constantly forget, is that you are dealing with a hugely emotive subject here.
One that arouses great emotions.
One that affected real people.
People who continue to be deeply affected by it to this day.

Many of you don't seem to me to treat as people there on 7/7 as people with real ongoing lives and feelings at all.

I suggest that it is the habit of many people posting here and on J7 to ''block'' this fact out, the fact that you are dealing with an emotive subject that affected real people who have real feelings


Or indeed, I think it is the habit of many ''truth seekers''never to feel anything emotional about the people involved at all.

And to forget that whilst they may not feel emotion about it, others do and still do
This lack of empathy is striking.

How else could pictures of people bleeding and dying be posted up over and over again and the ''evidence'' coldly and eagerly discussed and minutely picked over?

How else could an obviously injured man be dissected as if he were a liar or agent? A bus driver's integrity questioned who helped the dying, then wandered off inn shock? A badly injured man dismissed as suspcious or not credible?

Rarely, if ever, have I seen any human, empathetic reaction to the disturbing descriptions or pictures that are shown - posted and reposted here. Never a pause for thought - oh, that shot shows a dead or dying person hanging over the edge of a bus, let's think about posting that up, that poor man, that poor survivor next to him, do I really need to post this?



Never have I seen any thought as to what the endless wild speculation in here about people's deaths or injuries or experiences or losses might do to those who suffered.

It is as if people involved in 7/7 are pieces in a puzzle, to be cross questioned, hunted out, picked over, only this week there was a discussion about how a man at Harrods must be phoned up and asked qustions.

This behaviour shows a startling lack of empathy.

(And common humanity and decency.)

I now understand why many of you fail to recognise why your behaviour provokes a reaction in me, and why in turn you you call me shrill, hysterical, mentally ill, obsessive, etc

why you demand that I do not trouble you with evidence of previous suffering that shows what depths your behaviour on this board has plunged to.

Why after the gross abuse dished out this week and why after I have shown you why attempting to out my ID and address are actually dangerous

you still think that I am here to ''give evidence'' in front of you, and be up for another round of attacks on my character and abuse and picking holes and twisting what I say, because I won't give you the story you want to fit in with your theories.


I don't doubt me showing entirely natural human emotions here disturbs many of you.

It reminds you that you are dealing with real people here, with backstories and families and lives other than 7/7,

I can see exactly why you want me to stop showing emotion, Stelios, fro example, and want instead for me wait meekly to be grilled about the detail of my journey to work over 2 years ago. To go back into being a two-dimensional character in your particular movie, or game, something to be wrung for ''evidence'' to fit a theory and then discarded.

Well, bad luck.

I owe you nothing, remember? You and other posters here said untruthful stuff, published attacks here that caused me explain my background in detail to refute your lies and try to stop your bullying. Now you may have realised that the board behaviour of some of you makes you and the whole 9/11 board look bad. Tough.

Someone else posted about a lack of empathy that borders on sociopathic.


Or perhaps autistic.

What reaction do you expect in people when you say the stuff you say, post the things you post?

If it was discovered that your board 7/7 section or the J7 board was causing real distress and offence to the families and injured, would you take it down?

No.

So please don't pretend we're on the same side, or that you have any care or considerations for people's feelings, or that you're doing this 'for the victims' in any way. This is not a game or a puzzle or a hobby to me or the people invoved

Please don't be surprised when you attack people's character that they become angry.
Please don't be surprised when your lack of empathy and humanity in your behaviour is flagged up.
Please don't be surprised when I continue to say what I have found to be true, offline, on the radio, on TV, in films, wherever, about 7/7 - and that includes what I have found about the vast majority of CT-ers and their behaviour and their strange lack of empathy.

It's the most striking thing about the whole movement to me.

And if you don't think what I've said is fair - go read your own boards.

I expect to have hit a nerve, which usually kickstarts another round of personal attacks. Either that or feigned 'oh, so bored with the whole topic, why don't you go elsewhere? ' comments, which would be fine if there weren't dozens of threads devoted to discussing and demanding I answer questions on this board - search 'Rachel' and see.

As one of the moderators said, it seems to me that Rachel has answered questions as you demand, and that you don't like the answers.

You can also ask the moderator about the legal situation and what he was sent by me and why he agreed there was published defamation here which he had to remove, laboriously, and why there are new rules in place.



As I said, what would make me happy would be if all references to me were deleted on these boards and you people would stop going on and on about me, demanding I answer questions, then moaning and attacking me, when you don't like the answers, slagging me off when I do n't respond, slagging me off when I do, attacking my work and my character , attempting to jeopardise my anonymity/privacy, etc etc, presumably to bully me into some kind of reaction, so you can then query why I am ''emotional'' - as if your behaviour wasn't driven by your human needs - largely, from what I can tell, curiousity borering on obsession, and a desire to compete with peers to show adeptness and mastery of ''research data''.



It's particularly interesting that when I said to someone that he should repeat his accusation of me being a liar to my face - he had met me face to face only a few weeks before - this is construed as a threat.

When I explain why I do not reveal my address because there is a chance that a convcted stalker or a sadistic rapist will come to it - a credible threat of violence - this is called 'Mills & Boon'.


That says it all.

[karlos]

While you are talking about the human side rather than the evidence, what comments do you have about Hasina Patel?
She clearly has suffered, has been threatened, has been persecuted and falsely imprisoned.
I assume your human side has sympathy for her plight?
Dont you think she deserves to know what happened to the father of her child?
Do you support her demand for an autopsy on the remains of MSK?

[Rachel]

May I refer you to google? Why don't you look for yourself?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-G B%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=rachel+north+hasina+patel&meta=&btnG=Go ogle+Search

[Prole]

Rachel

Yesterday the family of a young man murdered in cold blood by the forces of the British State had to witness the obscenity of the State that murdered him being fined, yes fined, under Health & Safety legislation.

Yesterday the Great British public were once again 'treated' to a TV drama, Britz, that obscenely and outrageously portrayed young Muslims as so devoid of compassion and human decency that a young trainee doctor would feign being a pregnant woman and choose as her target for a 'suicide-bomb' young people listening to a concert.

One is real and the other is fiction. Yet one is treated as a 'blunder' and merely a 'health & safety' issue and the other as if young Muslims are a real threat to ordinary people like themselves. One is 'just people doing their jobs' (much as the people who ran the concentration camps were) and the other is the 'terrorist' (much as the Jews were the people to be feared).

Neither of these outrageous scenarios could have occurred without the events of July 7th, events that despite all your outbursts and hyperbole you do not own in any way despite all your best efforts. Events that anyone is entitled to investigate, especially given the appalling lack of evidence for the official account and events that I believe we have a duty to question. These events are bigger than all of us and have huge & wide-ranging consequences, consequences that make many of us fear what the future in this country and beyond will be. Consequences that could happen on the basis of the wholly unproven story of 7/7.

To be accused of a lack of compassion and empathy because of what you yourself have chosen to do by consistently attacking those who dare question these events shows you have absolutely no understanding of where the many millions of people who question the State and in my case Corporate Capitalism are coming from, and why we continue to attempt to discover what really happened on that morning.

We at J7 will continue despite all your efforts to distract divert accuse threaten bully and ridicule.

[karlos]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1277389,00.html

"I hope Hasina Patel finds peace. I hope everybody finds peace"

Well said Rachel
xxx

[Rachel]

Like I said, ''Prole'', I owe you nothing, and nor does anyone else connected with 7.7, despite you and your fellow-posters attempts to smear, bully, twist, distort and harass people into giving you ''evidence'' that you would like.

I do not ''own 7/7, (nice smear), I have my life and in it I do what I can to recover, to heal and to get an independent inquiry. All you do is write letters and pick obsessively over tragedies on the internet. You publish the addresses of survivors on your site. You post pictures, or allow pictures to be posted showing people on the ground and hanging over the sides of buses, dead or dying. Despite your claims that you are ''only seeking the truth'', you have no god-given right to demand information or answers off me or anyone else, nor to snoop and pry and specualate as you do into the worst moments of people's real lives, apparently without any compassion, for apparently political reasons. You seem to forget that it is perfectly reasonable for people to be angered and disturbed by strangers discussing them on the internet for pages and pages, and you have said on 3rd party boards, though you will not admit it on your own, that you believe 7/7 was due to actions of the State and the bombers were inncoent. This is apparently a position you hold due to your political beliefs, yet you have the nerve to accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being politicised and having an agenda, in the past you have brougt class into it, another clue.

Who deserves compassion and empathy more Prole?

The families of the innocents murdered that day, the injured and traumatised and those whose lives were impacted by the carnage?

Or a bunch of people who were not involved who've decided to spend their lives discussing it on the internet and speculating in mind-numbing detail about the obscene deaths and tragedies of that day?

The group who is engaged in real, offline legal action to try to get an inquiry, which group is that Prole? Who stands with them - me or you?

There are already many, many people investigating 7/7 - they are professionals, with codes of conduct that includes not abusing people involved, being accountable, working with facts not speculation. They are answerable for their actions, as we saw yesterday.

Where is your code of conduct?

( to the rest of you)
Where is anyone on this board's code of conduct? To whom are you accountable? What evidence do you work with? What right do you think you have to cause this distress? What have you ever done besides spread rumours on the internet?

I can stand up and show what I have done to help people, and to fight to get an inquiry. I stand alongside people who I respect. I do real things in the real world Prole, and everyone else reading here.

I came back on this board because I got an email saying there was a defamatory thread up, which I tackled, then I found out Obachike's book contained some complete made up rubbish about me, presented as fact, then people demanded I answer questions, then someone decided that it would be a good idea to try to publish personal details about me, try to find out where I lived and then ame of my husband ( thankfully, they got it wrong) apparently in an attempt to harass and distress me.

Was the aim to send people round to my house? What was the point of trying to guess my husband's ethnicity and/or religion or nationality? What was the point of a concerted attempt to out someone who it is explained is a rape survivor and stalking survivor, other than deliberate cruelty and as a 'puinishment' for daring to disagree with you, who have opinions about an experience you weren't even involved with, and which almost killed me and severely affected my life?

Isn't that bullying?

I'm less than impressed, and I challenge the motivations of people who do such things.

I wish you'd all just quit discussing me, I wish there was nothing written about me on this board or on J7 board and you'd all just stop this stuff.

Deal with the fact that you are in a minority and nobody owes you anything, any answers at all, despite your shrill demands and bullying attempts to get them, and deal with the fact that if you discuss real pepole for pages and pages and call them liars, they will quite naturally get pi$$ed off about it.

I keep saying, perhaps you would do better to not discuss me at all.

[ian neal]

[Chi_of_life]

On the night of 7:7 Rachel North London sat at her computer and began keeping a blog of the horrors of the explosion and subsequent days.
The blog was eagerly read by 24,000+ complete strangers including myself.
Rachel was on the Piccadilly line train so revealed details which were pertinent (regardless of what she stated publicly later).

The fact that I used details she provided freely in chapter 6 in The 4th Bomb does NOT mean I entered her residence to glean the facts !!

Some advice: Read the book and stop relying on hearsay, gossip and cospiracy theories.