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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: I've got in trouble for giving a 14 year old kid 9/11 DVDs Reply with quote

A few months ago I gave a teenager called kaylin some 9/11 DVDs who I meet in my Local Library, I thought he was about 18 or 19 years Old, he seemed a very intellangent young man and his freind was talking about going joining the army, But I told them that these WARS are 9/11 WARS, and that he would end up in Iraq, DEAD. Anyway I told Kaylin that 9-11 was an INSIDE JOB EG: Were was NORAD, CONTROLLlED DEMOLITION ETC and gave him some DVDs, Leaflets ETC.

Anyway the other day I was back in the Library and the woman who works in the there came up to me and said that she'd had a complant from a Mother that her 14 year old son being given some 9-11 stuff and the mother WAS NOT HAPPY - I DID NOT KNOW HE WAS 14 YEARS OLD!
He looked at lest 17 or 18, anyway I apolagised to the Woman who works in the Library, but I'm not sorry for giving out the 9-11 stuff, The Mother should be more Worried about the Brainwashing S*** that's on the news.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done. You might have saved his life.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Provided the DVD's contained nothing illegal on them - and 9/11 material is not illegal - you have not done anything wrong, and didn't even need to apologise, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DVD's were IN-PLANE SITE, Loose Change and Confronting the Everidance. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets hope the 14 year old grows into a knowledgable young man and one day educates his brain-washed mother.

No appology was required. Anyway I am sure the library has a copy of '911 Revealed' by Ian Henshall / Rowland Morgan... which he could have borrowed easily enough. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent DVD's. "In Plane Site" was the one which opened my own eyes to the many questions about 911. I remember the moment exactly, it was when the camera zoomed in on the computer monitor which had not melted at the Pentagon site. I thought that was odd, considering the official explanation was that the plane had been "vapourised"!!!

Felt at that moment just like the chappie must have felt in the film "Matrix", when he came out of the pod and everything unclipped out of his back, and suddenly he realised that his world was a computer generated illusion.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I lived in west London, there was a group of people who regularly hurled bricks at the house of guy who ran a company who supplied animals for lab research. They were often out attempting to get new 'members', they had leaflets and other kinds of recruitment material and young teenagers were fair game. The local parents were always contacting the local police to get this stopped, such things can be a highly emotive area and it is difficult to glimpse things from the perspective of a parent.

We know that 9/11 Truth is all fairly innocuous, we don't go around smashing windscreens or spraying painted slogans to get our point across, but people don't always see it like this. We must bear in mind that a huge percentage of the populace view us as 'conspiracy theorist nutters', with wacky ideas and silly notions, capable of anything, possibly even 'cultish', who knows where joining us could lead?

You did nothing 'wrong' in the societorial sense, but the uninitiated would view distributing such DVD propaganda as crossing the line. I have three young kids and I know exactly how their mother would react given similar circumstances.

It is difficult to accept, but we must accept that to many, we are fringe outcasts.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done. I hope you gave the librarian some DVDs too. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should have put an order in for some 9/11 books while you were at it. In fact, maybe we should all do that and flood our libraries with the truth.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When I lived in west London, there was a group of people who regularly hurled bricks at the house of guy who ran a company who supplied animals for lab research. They were often out attempting to get new 'members', they had leaflets and other kinds of recruitment material and young teenagers were fair game. The local parents were always contacting the local police to get this stopped, such things can be a highly emotive area and it is difficult to glimpse things from the perspective of a parent.

We know that 9/11 Truth is all fairly innocuous, we don't go around smashing windscreens or spraying painted slogans to get our point across, but people don't always see it like this. We must bear in mind that a huge percentage of the populace view us as 'conspiracy theorist nutters', with wacky ideas and silly notions, capable of anything, possibly even 'cultish', who knows where joining us could lead?

You did nothing 'wrong' in the societorial sense, but the uninitiated would view distributing such DVD propaganda as crossing the line. I have three young kids and I know exactly how their mother would react given similar circumstances.

It is difficult to accept, but we must accept that to many, we are fringe outcasts.


I know completely what your talking about here, but believe that acknowledgement of this situation is one thing and accepting it as peramiters we must work within is quite another, and one that will have us shunted to the culdesacs of controlled culture. Protecting children (and people in general) from dangerious ideas is something that works toward mind control of the entire society toward one mandatory veiw of the world- the state sanctioned perspective.
Fourteen year olds are aware of the world, and sould not be sheilded from alternative veiws, it would be different if you were showing ten year olds the gorier sections of Alex Jones films withtorture, bomb wounded and satanism, this would be horrifying and traumatising to the child. Although I guess this argument might be used to say the whole notion of 9/11 conspiracy terrorises everybody, so shouldn't be discussed.
The main thing is free speech is a anyway street, its either completely free or it doesn't exist.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a nephew who is 14. He asked me about what i was doing with all this 911 stuff so i told him. He is now networking it with all his mates and will be coming along with his mother to WR's talk in Ipswich.

He spent most of christmas day watching various DVD's.

I can understand the concern of parents if 'approached' by truthers on the loose but in my experience no matter what the age if I get the chance to breath some truth into a persons ears, i'll do it.

There should be minimum age to begin the waking process. My nephew really understood it quickly and also made it his business to go away and do more of his own investigating. I am proud of him, it gives me even more motivation

Well done Stephen - stand proud yourself dude

An upset librarian and a concerned mother are nothing compared to what is coming!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its quite sad really people react how they do. i believe most people will wake up either when martial law is introduced(but will it be to late), or the next false flag if there are any. its gonna take something anyway to trigger there mind and wake them up, we are just giving them information to stimulate the trigger that might not make sense to them now but will after the next event. it may take others longer but people tend to wake up around events.

just like 9/11. i bet there were an even smaller group of people sreaming at us to wake up before 9/11 but about other things, that 9/11 eventually bought to peoples attention.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My son and I did a bootsale in Essex last year, we had 911 dvds and leaflets on the table stating 911 was an inside job.

The police were called, our car was searched. The police said they wanted to take a copy of the dvd. We were happy to oblige. They took some leaflets.

They told us we must remove all the dvds and leaflets from the table, as there was some jewish people opposite our table that were offended by the leaflets and dvds.

The police decided we were not breaking the law by displaying the dvds, and if we wanted to continue with our bootsale of other goods the dvds must not be on show.

We did have alot of interest from passers by and managed to distribute many dvds and leaflets.

It is always the dumbed down that will not accept the real truth.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an awful hassle. Let's hope the pigs concerned were appraised
I've had them peruse my outlay with little concern
I hope sooner rather than later they will realise they are being misled into nonsensical operations by the Black Magic contingents of the Intelligence Services

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's an awful hassle. Let's hope the pigs concerned were appraised
I've had them peruse my outlay with little concern
I hope sooner rather than later they will realise they are being misled into nonsensical operations by the Black Magic contingents of the Intelligence Services


I won't hold my breath, the pigs are just as dumbed down as the sheeple that believe the official story. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, it's hard to believe the lack of consciousness out there. But still it's at the tipping point. We must win,there's no doubt about that. The trivia will go down and the truth will come up. There's no doubt about that
They are using mobile phone masts,chemtrails and the global plasma to slow things down but they will be revealedThere's no doubt about that - as long as we keep up our work they will be revealed

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when your belief is mainly that you are protecting people and doing a "good" service to the public(and the majority do or believe they do)
it is very hard to accept or see your actually inforcing injustice and evil in other areas. they are told what to do by people who believe the same upto a point where the people who are giving the orders know its true goal. if your told its to protect or for the good of the public you'll believe it because you believe thats what your doing. after that it will be fear for their familys and own intrests when it becomes evident(lets hope there are a large number of good people in our services, who in the real time of need lead us to get back our freedom, unfortantly that time is now or very soon).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I won't hold my breath, the pigs are just as dumbed down as the sheeple that believe the official story. Crying or Very sad


I must take issue with this statement.

Having been a serving police officer, my personal beliefs had nothing whatsoever to do with how I did my job.

If you are called to an incident (in this case by offended Jews), then you follow laid-down procedure, dealing with offences as they arise.

The coppers were just doing their job and may well have actually been fully aware of the Truth Movement and may even share our beliefs - they were just in no position to ignore a complaint just because we would prefer otherwise.

It is all too easy to forget that police officers are merely people wearing a uniform and they don't stop thinking just because of what they are wearing. In fact, I would guess that they are far more informed than the average man in the street due to what they are exposed to.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a Greenpeace activist I invariably found that the police who turned up were generally sympathetic to the issue which the action was about. I was sometimes suspiscious whether they were just trying to get familiar in order to extract information.

At demonstrations at the G8 and DSEi they were not at all friendly. But the police generally showed up looking like robocops.

Either way, it begs the question how they would react as individuals when the chips are down (or implanted!). I hate to say it, TC, but they do behave like animals (in the David Attenburgh sense) when they are in uniform - they lose all sense of individuality.

There was one protester at DSEi who kept asking the line of police behind a barricade with telescopic batons drawn, 'Do you know what you are doing?' The effect on them was remarkable; their faces looked petrified and their body language became submissive. One by one they collapsed their batons and stowed them away. I was fortunate to capture it all on video.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There was one protester at DSEi who kept asking the line of police behind a barricade with telescopic batons drawn, 'Do you know what you are doing?' The effect on them was remarkable; their faces looked petrified and their body language became submissive. One by one they collapsed their batons and stowed them away. I was fortunate to capture it all on video.

That's a class story Alf. Any chance you could upload the vid?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Linda wrote:


I won't hold my breath, the pigs are just as dumbed down as the sheeple that believe the official story. Crying or Very sad


I must take issue with this statement.



I totally agree: not from inside awareness (lol) but becuase we must hold onto the fact that the majority of people who join services like the Police (and MI5 etc: example Annie and Dave!) do so for entirely honorable reasons: they are victims too of the corruption at the top. When certain situations come about (like a crowd of hyped up people waveing Socialist workers Party "KILL THE BILL!" placards, the "programme" kicks in and realistically the situation is only going to go down a limited number of ways: but its still people, far more alike than different, on both sides. Turning people against each other has been the Elites single greatest triumph over the human mind down through the ages of civilisation. I'm not saying its easy: obviously its not, as anyone whose recieved a crack on the head from a truncheon or a kicking knows: but as soon as we characterise in our own mind "anyone in a uniform=enemy" then we reduce ourselves to pawns in the game. Why not go and spread "press for truth" level info on a police forum? Mostly, the art of campaigning is getting away with what others don't think can work

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any chance you could upload the vid?

There is but I captured about 8 hours of video over the three days of DSEi so it might not be in the near future. I kind of regret mentioning it - I anticipated your request!

If you are interested in what happened at DSEi there is a documentary called 'Indefensible DSEi 2003' which used some of my footage (but not that bit!) and I make a momentary appearance:

http://www.archive.org/details/Indefensible

It's 27 minutes and 230Mb
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Sorry if I'm being a bit thick here but does anyone know under what legislation are police compelled to respond to a complaint about 9/11 DVD's ?

And, under what legislation are the police empowered to demand said DVDs be removed from display ?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why were Jews insulted by it? That's what I wanna know... why should it insult anyone at all?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The complaint from the parent may have simply been due to the scene in Loose Change where it shows the Iraqi's being blasted by a helicopter.

I can't imagine a parent would be too chuffed at a stranger giving her 14 year old son such a thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Gobell wrote:
Sorry if I'm being a bit thick here but does anyone know under what legislation are police compelled to respond to a complaint about 9/11 DVD's ?

And, under what legislation are the police empowered to demand said DVDs be removed from display ?


The question isn't exactly what legislation covers the DVD's as such;

A huge part of day-to-day policing concerns AVOIDING, or rather, dissuading potential offenders from offending, not just arresting those who have offended.

Once you are out of your probation where process figures are important, most coppers, myself included, would opt not to arrest if at all possible. The paperwork and admin procedures have steadily increased over the years and it isn't just a case of arrest, back to the station, book-in to custody, a quick form to fill-in, back out again.

There are a great many checks to carry out and an enormous amount of assorted documents to complete. Depending on the offence, availabilty of duty or specified briefs, the attendance of the force medical examiner, interviews, collating of evidence, witness statements etc etc etc, you could arrest someone just after starting work and not leave the factory for the rest of the entire shift.

Having been called to the site where jews have complained, as a copper, it is not your place to say if their interpretation of the content of the DVD's is right or wrong. They have deemed that they are in some way compromised and you are there to ensure no breach of the peace occurs -hence this would been seen as 'behaviour likely to incite a breach of the peace' - so you diffuse the situation by asking the owners of the DVD's to keep them out of sight, thus not inflamming the situation any further.

Despite what many here believe, the vast amount of good coppering concerns simple diplomacy more than any act or section.

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Why were Jews insulted by it? That's what I wanna know... why should it insult anyone at all?

That's a very good question.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

telecasterisation, if no laws are being broken and those with the DVDs are doing nothing more than displaying them surely those complaining are the ones at fault - wasting police time for example.

It cannot be the police's job to take the bigots side. The diplomatic approach would surely have been telling hose complaining it was not a police matter.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks TC.

So the issue here would be a potential breach of the peace.

Who then would be breaching the peace, the DVD vendor or the plaintiff ?

I mean, if the vendor said and did nothing in response to the complaint how could any court construe that they were breaching the peace ?

I was not aware that police could order someone to remove perfectly legal DVD's from display.

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telecasterisation, if no laws are being broken and those with the DVDs are doing nothing more than displaying them surely those complaining are the ones at fault - wasting police time for example.

It cannot be the police's job to take the bigots side. The diplomatic approach would surely have been telling hose complaining it was not a police matter.


The people displaying the DVD's were asked to put them away to avoid a law being broken. We have no way of knowing if the complainants knew of the content of the DVD's, they may well have guessed totally incorrectly what they contained and without police intervention, anything could have taken place, assault, criminal damage, whatever.

A complaint is made and you are obligated to follow it up and given the variables, weigh up the potential outcomes and deal accordingly. The Jews were upset by what they perceived as inflammatory material, the DVD's opposing their view of 9/11 - the police arrive and do their best to diffuse the situation. It isn't about taking sides, people get offended by the slightest thing, you see this every single day here.

The police are routinely called to deal with many things that do not automatically fall within their jurisdiction, but once on the scene, they do what they can to reduce potential conflict particularly if offences could take place if they simply walked away without a word.

It is like a neighbour playing loud music - the police are called and the neighbour is politely asked to turn it down. Is the complainant told to shut up and called a bigot because he is biased to loud music? This is actually now a civil matter but I know from experience how this culminates in criminal damage and broken noses - if it can be avoided with a few words, then why not at least try before it gets that far?

As I said, it is not about 'sides', there is a situation and you mediate, opting for the most balanced outcome where possible.

No doubt, there will be numerous examples about how someone's brother or a friend had something happen that does not meet with this view, but generally, in my experience, that is the way things are handled.

As for who would be breaching the peace? In this situation I would guess potentially the Jews for any abusive shouting/violence/whatever and the displayers of the 9/11 material - having been asked to remove inciteful material, they could be done for 'behaviour likely to'.

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