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ianrcrane
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 Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: Daily Mail - Mon 12th Feb |
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| Quote: | Conspiring to confuse
Comment by Daily Mail Columnist Peter Kay
Published in Daily Mail – Pg 17; Monday 12th February 2007
Around 500,000 people in Britain have watched a 90-minute video on Google called Loose Change, which suggests the 9/11 terrorist attacks on America did not happen.
Conspiracy theories usually involve a set of carefully composed questions, which are difficult to rebut. Such as: why weren’t the hijacked airliners intercepted by fighter jet? There could be a hundred explanations, but they’ll all sound feeble next to the exciting possibility that there were no hijacked planes to intercept.
It’s best to counter them with questions. Why hasn’t anyone in the conspiracy talked? We’re talking of thousands of people in Government, the airlines and the TV industry.
Then there’s the doomed airline passengers, crew and hijackers who perished on 9/11. Were they made up too, or are they being held somewhere against their will?
Conspiracy theories allow us to create our own easy-to-follow virtual world instead of trying to understand the complicated real one.
To paraphrase the witty G.K. Chesterton, those who believe in nothing will believe in anything |
Reply directly to: peter.mckay@dailymail.co.uk |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: Why?? |
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Mr Kay, as you seem so sure of the facts, then why weren’t the hijacked airliners intercepted by fighter jet? What is so wrong with that question? And as to your suggestion that "there could be a hundred explanations, but they’ll all sound feeble next to the exciting possibility that there were no hijacked planes to intercept" why would a proper explanation sound feeble?? It is the official report which explains that there were four planes highjacked, so if the official report is correct, then why weren’t the hijacked airliners intercepted by fighter jet?
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ianrcrane
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: My Response |
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My response to: peter.mckay@dailymail.co.uk
| Quote: | Dear Peter,
It is most opportune that you should attempt to debunk the 9/11 Truth Campaign at this particular juncture. The use of crass one-liners to dismiss the content of Loose Change II, which just so happens to be the most downloaded video in the history of Google Video, belies your outstanding talent for insightful journalistic comment!
Ultimately, it is for each individual to decide whether or not they accept the official account of any major event at face value. However, it is evident that there is growing public concern, both in the US and in the UK, over the veracity of the official version of what actually transpired on that fateful day in September 2001.
In your article, you ask, “Why hasn’t anyone in on the conspiracy talked?”
The list of attempted whistle-blowers is actually quite extensive but I will draw particular attention to just two. Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI Translator, has the dubious honour of being the most gagged individual in US legal history. In reference to the 9/11 Commission investigation Edmonds stated, "If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up."
However, it is William Rodriguez, a Janitor at the World Trade Centre for 20 years, who has become the most vocal advocate of establishing a new investigation into the events of 9/11. As the last man out of WTC1, Rodriguez was widely recognised and revered as the hero of 9/11. Honoured on five occasions by President Bush and recognised as a tireless campaigner on behalf of the WTC survivors and families of the victims, Rodriguez was stunned when he became one of only three people required to give their evidence to the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors. The other two being President G.W. Bush & vice-President Dick Cheney, who refused to appear before the Commission separately and who refused to take the oath. When Rodriguez learned that his evidence had been omitted from the 9/11 Commission report, he realised that the 9/11 Commission more about bolstering the official account than uncovering the truth. For the past two and a half years, Rodriguez has met with government officials in many countries, including Malaysia, Venezuela & Japan, campaigning for an international inquiry into the events which have triggered two illegal wars, an open ended War on Terror and provided Bush & Blair with the excuse to introduce legislation that takes the US & UK to the fringes of being police states. (Bush at least makes no bones about his extremist right wing tendencies but what is Blair’s excuse?)
Well, it just so happens that William Rodriguez is almost half way through a month long tour of the UK; giving British audiences the opportunity to hear his gripping first-hand account of that fateful day. He will also be discussing his extraordinary experiences since that day and explaining why he has dedicated his life to establishing the truth behind the events of 9/11.
Over 2,500 people have attended William’s UK talks to date. At a talk in Totnes, Devon on Sunday 4th February, a local BBC film crew covered the event but afterwards the camera operator grimaced as he said, “There’s no chance of this being broadcast … our bosses will find a reason not to put this out.”
Now, why do you think that might be?
Thankfully, the local & regional media seem quite prepared to enter territory that the UK National Media fears to tread and some excellent articles have been published. If you would be interested in reviewing any of these articles, I would be happy to provide the web links. In addition, if you would like to attend any of the remaining William Rodriguez events, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Meanwhile, as a veteran of 20 years in the oilfield services industry, having lived and worked in both the Middle East and the USA, I would paraphrase your penultimate paragraph as follows; ‘Official conspiracy theories allow the masses to retreat into an unquestioning easy-to-follow virtual world, instead of trying to understand the real one.’
For full details of William’s UK tour dates visit: www.last-man-out.com
Ian R. Crane
Chair – 9/11 Truth Campaign (UK & Ireland) |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Very very nice.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: So what is happening? |
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A concerted campaign that unites the Daily Mail, the Guardian, Galloway et al against the film Loose Change and the questions it raises regarding 9/11.
Why now? Have they been given a line to sell. The Iran war?
Something is up. Any clues anybody? |
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mobypaterson
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: So what is happening? |
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| conspirator wrote: | A concerted campaign that unites the Daily Mail, the Guardian, Galloway et al against the film Loose Change and the questions it raises regarding 9/11.
Why now? Have they been given a line to sell. The Iran war?
Something is up. Any clues anybody? |
I thought this on Saturday when the big article came out in support of Loose Change. . .
Something is going on, but what?  |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Could it be that someone somewhere has decided that everybody is talking about 9/11 anyway and that if you don't cover it you don't get the chance to frame the debate? |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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I just e-mailed my general thoughts about this to someone:
I suspected this was kind of a "sting" operation - to gauge public knowledge, opinion and reaction. Kind of subtle, but then kind of not. (I was discussing this on the phone with someone today). It's odd to think the guardian published Monbiot's article - it didn't even got to "LIHOP" base as Meacher's article did 3 years ago. All "Mind Games" I reckon...
Perhaps, as conspirator suggested, they are using the operation as some kind of mix-and-mash-up psy-op to work out how to spin the attack on Iran - or simply to take our minds off something else!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: So what is happening? |
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| conspirator wrote: | | Something is up. Any clues anybody? |
Yes, they are trying to kill it off before Loose Change 3: Final Cut hits theatres in my opinion, or rather setting the stage. Getting people used to the idea so it loses some of its shock value. Still I do believe all publicity is good publicity. No matter how many 'sheeple' lap up the propaganda hit pieces some will check things out and think for themselves...
Its just a shame that when they do, if they should come to this site, they will probably roll over and go back to sleep due to NPT/Bean Weapon shills and other assorted disinfo "nutbars".
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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nonsense! I think you may perhaps be a one creating some of the ridicule and not allowing these possible hypotheses through
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Is it not reasonable to assume that there are people in the media who desperately want to get the story out, but they need some angle which they can use to get something published? They aren’t going to be able to print LIHOP or MIHOP, but they may be able to start exposing the lies and cover-ups. Or at least acknowledge the debate as a serious issue.
There will be other people in the media – the George Monbiots – who will have a variety of reasons why they want to silence 9/11 truth. But it doesn’t imply there to be a single cohesive “they” who are running the show?
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Posted on Guardian Website, in support of Tim Sparke's response to George Monbiot:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2011845,00.html
| Quote: | "Any adult human being who lives in today's society and who still does not believe that 'Our Government' would commit cold-blooded murder in order to preserve their idea of an acceptable "status-quo" ....that person should be placed in a secured, well-padded cell and not allowed to play with pointed or sharp objects. He/she is both intellectually and morally Brain Dead."
An observation made by William Cooper before he was murdered by 'our Government' on November 5th, 2001
After 40 years of deliberate 'Dumbing Down', via controlled education, controlled media & controlled entertainment, the majority of respondents to both Monbiot & Sparke would indicate that the process has been remarkably successful.
The purpose of the recent flurry of 9/11 related articles in the British mainstream media, is little more than an exercise in ensuring that the majority of the population remain dead from the neck up.
For those who do see through the charade of 9/11, there is a temptation to get bogged down in the 'how' & the 'why'; although these are valid issues, it is more important to utilize the awareness to counter the next PTB outrage.
Efforts to 'wake up' those who are so locked into the illusion that they will tell you that they have a 'challenging career' are commendable but don't waste too much time or energy on those who have neither the eyes to see or the ears to hear, as someone once said, "Let the dead bury their dead."
9/11 is a manifestation of the true 'Holy War' ... and it has nothing to do with allegations of 19 Muslim hijackers wielding plastic box-cutters!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another thread on MSN
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Posted on Guardian Website, in support of Tim Sparke's response to George Monbiot:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2011845,00.html
| Quote: | The discerning casual observer cannot help but note the vapid vitriol that has become the hallmark of the defenders of orthodox dogma.
I have never yet me a genuine Truth Campaigner who is existentially committed to a particular account of what actually transpired on that fateful day. Indeed,the hallmark of the Truth Campaigner is to demand answers to the hundreds of questions that have been deliberately ignored by the 9/11 Commission and/or omitted from their excuse of a Report.
The displays of rabid attack, by the defenders of orthodox dogma, are evidence of the moral, intellectual and spiritual bankruptcy that our illustrious leaders have succeeded in moulding over the past couple of millennia.
To those defenders of orthodoxy who have the audacity to call themselves 'Christians', you would be well advised to take another look at the teachings of your Spiritual Leader. In addition, I would encourage you to read Dr. David Ray Griffin's latest work, 'Christian Faith & the Truth Behind 9/11 - A Call to Reflection & Action'.
To those who have worked tirelessly over the past weeks, months & years, to encourage the 'dead' to awaken to the reality of the lies, deceit & obfuscation of their 'elected' (LOL) leaders; do not dismay, the Truth Wave is increasing in strength on a daily basis. For further inspiration, please make a real effort to attend one of William Rodriguez's talks on his current UK Tour.
http://www.last-man-out.com
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Why do you think it might be that there does not appear to be any reference to the Monbiot thread on the Guardian website? Could it be due to the magnitude of response and that the Defenders of Orthodoxy seem incapable of rational or civil discussion?
Al K Myst |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: a set up? |
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with the BBC still to do their bit on sunday,are we being built up to be knocked down? keep pressing
malcks (who's a wee bit worried!!) |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Daily Mail - Mon 12th Feb |
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| ianrcrane wrote: | | Quote: | Conspiring to confuse
Comment by Daily Mail Columnist Peter Kay
Published in Daily Mail – Pg 17; Monday 12th February 2007
Around 500,000 people in Britain have watched a 90-minute video on Google called Loose Change, which suggests the 9/11 terrorist attacks on America did not happen.
Conspiracy theories usually involve a set of carefully composed questions, which are difficult to rebut. Such as: why weren’t the hijacked airliners intercepted by fighter jet? There could be a hundred explanations, but they’ll all sound feeble next to the exciting possibility that there were no hijacked planes to intercept.
It’s best to counter them with questions. Why hasn’t anyone in the conspiracy talked? We’re talking of thousands of people in Government, the airlines and the TV industry.
Then there’s the doomed airline passengers, crew and hijackers who perished on 9/11. Were they made up too, or are they being held somewhere against their will?
Conspiracy theories allow us to create our own easy-to-follow virtual world instead of trying to understand the complicated real one.
To paraphrase the witty G.K. Chesterton, those who believe in nothing will believe in anything |
Reply directly to: peter.mckay@dailymail.co.uk |
That "clever" paragraph at the end is similar to what Peter Hitchens said on the Heaven and Earth show last September, you could equally say... [/i] those who believe in an elderly male white bearded corcasion intelligent creator who lives on a cloud will more than likely believe the OCT (Caveat that with ...no disrespect to the many people of faith who have put their weight behind the truth campaign and render Hitchins words hollow) |
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Bongo
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The comments on the Guardian piece are very telling...
1) Those who do not accept the OCT have reasonable and pertenant questions.
2) Those who accept the OCT come out with the likes of the following...
| Quote: | Kimpatsu
February 13, 2007 3:06 AM
What a load of rubbish. Check out any skeptics' website for the truth about 9/11: that a bunch of Muslim zealots hijacked four planes and turned them into missiles. All else is garbage. |
... I guess there are people who have obviously spent a lot of time as members of 'Debating Societies' ??? 
I can only excuse him/her for penning this at such a late hour!  |
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