only if they use it as a reason for everybody to believe it, however if used in terms of the reason I believe, then its their personnal experiance and i have no reason or way to prove they are lieing.
I fail to see why you should want witness testimony stricken from the record. You've already argued that video and audio can't be trusted, is witness testimony next?
As with other aspects of NPT and Beam Weapons (frequent cartoon references, anyone?) it seems like these theories are not only on a mission to invalidate evidence, but also insult those affected by the events, so now you call them all liars too? Sickening. _________________ "Thought is faster than arrows, and truth is sharper than blades." - David Gemmell | RealityDown wiki
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No Planes Theory absolutely and catagorically depends on calling anybody who saw planes that day either deluded or a liar: otherwise, the theory cannot possibly stand up: one genuine eyewitness or one genuine frame and its "No Planes" flushed down the toilet
Thats one of the reasons why its utterly....
silly
Another quality thread from TWSU3BYWGIFM _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
I suppose you next post will be along the lines of:
Anybody that doesn't believe what Andrew Johnson does must be working for MI5. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk Get the Steven E Jones reports>HERE<
I get it all the time. The more recent ones have gone a something like this...
"You are sick. My godson's daddy was in one of those towers. It breaks my heart every time I see him and have to tell him that his daddy won't be coming back. I so wish you could have taken his place."
"I lost two friends on one of those planes. Do you get some sort of kick out of this?"
"My husband's friend was on one of the planes. He tried to call us but we were out. We missed the call. We will never forgive ourselves for been at the vets that day."
"I have a sister in law who was struck by falling debris from the towers. It crushed her flat. If I ever meet you I am going to kick your f***ing ass."
"My neighbours uncle was a pilot on one of those planes. Everytime a plane flies over she still wails like a banshee. I hate what those terrorsits (sic) did spreading misery to every corner of our world. People like you are just apologists for mass murderers. I am sure they will all be waiting in hell for you. I am sure they will give you a warm welcome too."
"My friend's cousin worked as a cleaner at the Pentagon. He was cleaning windows when the plane rammed right into him and you come on here with your nutcase conspiracy theories telling me that no plane hit the Pentagon. Hang on, are you a Muslim by any chance?"
No Planes Theory absolutely and catagorically depends on calling anybody who saw planes that day either deluded or a liar: otherwise, the theory cannot possibly stand up: one genuine eyewitness or one genuine frame and its "No Planes" flushed down the toilet
Thats one of the reasons why its utterly....
silly
Another quality thread from TWSU3BYWGIFM
Are you ever gonna get it, John? Seriously are you ever going to use your wisdom and tune into the truth or just carry on buggering about with remote controlled nonsense?
I get it all the time. The more recent ones have gone a something like this...
"You are sick. My godson's daddy was in one of those towers. It breaks my heart every time I see him and have to tell him that his daddy won't be coming back. I so wish you could have taken his place."
"I lost two friends on one of those planes. Do you get some sort of kick out of this?"
"My husband's friend was on one of the planes. He tried to call us but we were out. We missed the call. We will never forgive ourselves for been at the vets that day."
"I have a sister in law who was struck by falling debris from the towers. It crushed her flat. If I ever meet you I am going to kick your f***ing ass."
"My neighbours uncle was a pilot on one of those planes. Everytime a plane flies over she still wails like a banshee. I hate what those terrorsits (sic) did spreading misery to every corner of our world. People like you are just apologists for mass murderers. I am sure they will all be waiting in hell for you. I am sure they will give you a warm welcome too."
"My friend's cousin worked as a cleaner at the Pentagon. He was cleaning windows when the plane rammed right into him and you come on here with your nutcase conspiracy theories telling me that no plane hit the Pentagon. Hang on, are you a Muslim by any chance?"
But as I said the other day someone I completely trust told me several of her friends saw and heard aircraft flying low over Manhattan seconds before the impacts. Some of the witnesses also saw the impacts. I've know this person for years and it only recently occurred to me to ask if they knew anybody that witnessed the aircraft (this person used to live in NY so they have friends there).
So as said a person I trust has told me their friends witnessed aircraft and impacts. So I have no doubt about the aircraft part of 911 not that I for one second bought the NPT.
The comments that I quoted above are crass and as such should be a banable offense. Taking the p*ss out of people that lost someone on 911 is about as low as you can get on a forum such as this. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk Get the Steven E Jones reports>HERE<
I get it all the time. The more recent ones have gone a something like this...
"You are sick. My godson's daddy was in one of those towers. It breaks my heart every time I see him and have to tell him that his daddy won't be coming back. I so wish you could have taken his place."
"I lost two friends on one of those planes. Do you get some sort of kick out of this?"
"My husband's friend was on one of the planes. He tried to call us but we were out. We missed the call. We will never forgive ourselves for been at the vets that day."
"I have a sister in law who was struck by falling debris from the towers. It crushed her flat. If I ever meet you I am going to kick your f***ing ass."
"My neighbours uncle was a pilot on one of those planes. Everytime a plane flies over she still wails like a banshee. I hate what those terrorsits (sic) did spreading misery to every corner of our world. People like you are just apologists for mass murderers. I am sure they will all be waiting in hell for you. I am sure they will give you a warm welcome too."
"My friend's cousin worked as a cleaner at the Pentagon. He was cleaning windows when the plane rammed right into him and you come on here with your nutcase conspiracy theories telling me that no plane hit the Pentagon. Hang on, are you a Muslim by any chance?"
But as I said the other day someone I completely trust told me several of her friends saw and heard aircraft flying low over Manhattan seconds before the impacts. Some of the witnesses also saw the impacts. I've know this person for years and it only recently occurred to me to ask if they knew anybody that witnessed the aircraft (this person used to live in NY so they have friends there).
So as said a person I trust has told me their friends witnessed aircraft and impacts. So I have no doubt about the aircraft part of 911 not that I for one second bought the NPT.
The comments that I quoted above are crass and as such should be a banable offense. Taking the p*ss out of people that lost someone on 911 is about as low as you can get on a forum such as this.
There were planes in the area but none of them hit the towers.
I bet you also think a plane hit the Pentagon too?
I bet you also think a plane hit the Pentagon too?
I haven't counted out that possibility. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk Get the Steven E Jones reports>HERE<
I bet you also think a plane hit the Pentagon too?
I haven't counted out that possibility.
You also believe the planes were hijacked, don't you?
I haven't counted out that possibility. _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk Get the Steven E Jones reports>HERE<
I bet you also think a plane hit the Pentagon too?
I haven't counted out that possibility.
You also believe the planes were hijacked, don't you?
why would no plane at the pentagon prove no plane at the towers?
all 4 crashes were differant events and therefore dosnt automatically mean they all had to be carried out the same way.
if you want to know my postion as an example i think towers were both planes, pentagon very unsure keep thinking there might be(plane parts identified as from a 767, planted? i cannot prove it) then no there could'nt of been(pandora's black box), and shanksville im almost certain a plane didnt crash where we were told. but that dosnt mean no plane at shanksville there are still other possibilities. landed somewhere else, shot down ect ect.
I bet you also think a plane hit the Pentagon too?
I haven't counted out that possibility.
You also believe the planes were hijacked, don't you?
why would no plane at the pentagon prove no plane at the towers?
all 4 crashes were differant events and therefore dosnt automatically mean they all had to be carried out the same way.
if you want to know my postion as an example i think towers were both planes, pentagon very unsure keep thinking there might be(plane parts identified as from a 767, planted? i cannot prove it) then no there could'nt of been(pandora's black box), and shanksville im almost certain a plane didnt crash where we were told. but that dosnt mean no plane at shanksville there are still other possibilities. landed somewhere else, shot down ect ect.
Yeah, yeah, yeah and the tooth fairys live at the bottom of your garden. I know, I know...
typical kind of response you usually see in critics corner, if you carnt prove them wrong use ridicule to make them seem stupid. are you are critic in disguise?
I view any posting that includes the words of the above title as very suspect and should not be believed.
Do you know anybody who has used such words and do you believe them?
Your comments please.
Just to clarify, am I correct in assuming that if anyone has a trusted friend that was there and who saw the south tower explode yet saw or heard no aircraft, their testimony should be equally dismissed? _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD
Just to clarify, am I correct in assuming that if anyone has a trusted friend that was there and who saw the south tower explode yet saw or heard no aircraft, their testimony should be equally dismissed?
But there is footage of reporters saying that "the tower has just exploded", live on the telly. Have you seen the footage I speak of, Milky dog?
But there is footage of reporters saying that "the tower has just exploded", live on the telly. Have you seen the footage I speak of, Milky dog?
While this point would have a little use to you if you could prove that the reporter had a line of sight to the plane impact, without it then it's utterly worthless. As we've stated repeatedly when you've raised this point in other threads there's a 50% chance he was on the other side of the tower, and so would only witness the exit explosion.
Would you find out where he was standing? If you are right then you've nothing to fear, right? _________________ "Thought is faster than arrows, and truth is sharper than blades." - David Gemmell | RealityDown wiki
But there is footage of reporters saying that "the tower has just exploded", live on the telly. Have you seen the footage I speak of, Milky dog?
The example you give is dissimilar to the one originally provided. Newsreaders are not people claiming they know someone who knows someone who was there.
In answer to your question, I think I have seen such footage. I don't take it as by any stretch 'proving' there were no planes as what they say is not entirely unexpected for freaked out people witnessing unprecedented events and speaking about it spontaneously on telly. The tower did, indeed, issue forth a substantial explosion. Apparently caused by an aircraft hitting it. I would be more convinced if they had gone on to express shocked and confused bewilderment as to exactly what caused the explosion and where it came from. As you'd expect if they weren't aware of there being a plane. That footage I haven't seen and if you can provide it I would happily view it. _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD
But there is footage of reporters saying that "the tower has just exploded", live on the telly. Have you seen the footage I speak of, Milky dog?
The example you give is dissimilar to the one originally provided. Newsreaders are not people claiming they know someone who knows someone who was there.
In answer to your question, I think I have seen such footage. I don't take it as by any stretch 'proving' there were no planes as what they say is not entirely unexpected for freaked out people witnessing unprecedented events and speaking about it spontaneously on telly. The tower did, indeed, issue forth a substantial explosion. Apparently caused by an aircraft hitting it. I would be more convinced if they had gone on to express shocked and confused bewilderment as to exactly what caused the explosion and where it came from. As you'd expect if they weren't aware of there being a plane. That footage I haven't seen and if you can provide it I would happily view it.
Dogsmilk, Helllo?
There is ample room on this footage to see no plane in plain sight.
Stop babbling. Watch and tell me what it is you are not convinced about.
But there is footage of reporters saying that "the tower has just exploded", live on the telly. Have you seen the footage I speak of, Milky dog?
The example you give is dissimilar to the one originally provided. Newsreaders are not people claiming they know someone who knows someone who was there.
In answer to your question, I think I have seen such footage. I don't take it as by any stretch 'proving' there were no planes as what they say is not entirely unexpected for freaked out people witnessing unprecedented events and speaking about it spontaneously on telly. The tower did, indeed, issue forth a substantial explosion. Apparently caused by an aircraft hitting it. I would be more convinced if they had gone on to express shocked and confused bewilderment as to exactly what caused the explosion and where it came from. As you'd expect if they weren't aware of there being a plane. That footage I haven't seen and if you can provide it I would happily view it.
Dogsmilk, Helllo?
There is ample room on this footage to see no plane in plain sight.
Stop babbling. Watch and tell me what it is you are not convinced about.
There is ample room on this footage to see no plane in plain sight.
Stop babbling. Watch and tell me what it is you are not convinced about.
There is one piece that is shown repeatedly where I personally cannot see any aircraft. However, the comparison clip shown frames the approaching aircraft against the bright sky, whereas the one where it is invisible I think would have it coming across the darker water given the differing camera angles. The issue I have with that kind of evidence is, as others point out, that it relies on low res clips converted through God knows how many formats. In this case, I can't see that the lack of an indistinct blob against a dark background on a poor quality clip is conclusive.
However, though I admit I find this NPT stuff far from convincing at this particular moment in time, I do continue to follow the arguments with interest. And I never get tired of seeing that octopus 'decloak'.
I know this subject gets you into big arguments here, TC, but I'd tentatively suggest your generally confrontational posting style isn't necessarily a good PR tactic if you're wanting to win people over. Doesn't bother me, but it may others who may be interested.
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Move it on to approx 7minutes 5 seconds and hear the newsreader fluffing her script
I don't get that at all; she falls over her words, but I can't see why that is significant. I've seen folk on telly get tongue tied with their carefully scripted autocue and speaking spontaneously on innumerable occasions over the years on all kind of inherently banal subjects, let alone on such a traumatic day. If they're funny enough, they usually end up on those cheap "It'll be alright on the night" shows.
Do you really suggest regular, household name newsreaders across America were all 'in on it'? How many people would have to be involved for that to happen? It's like saying Jeremy Paxman was in on 7/7. _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD
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