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ianrcrane Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: Loose Change producer & others respond to Monbiot |
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Heads Up
The following article, written by Tim Sparke - Executive Producer of Loose Change Final Cut, is expected to appear in tommorow's edition of The Guardian (Tuesday 13th Feb 2007).
Quote: | George Monbiot’s, “A 9/11 conspiracy virus,” article whilst explicitly an attack on the film “Loose Change’’ is also an attack on the 9/11 movement. Whilst we accept that there are flaws in the film in its current iteration we stand by its overarching theme that the official ‘conspiracy’ theory of 9/11, constructed by the Bush administration in the days, weeks and months after 9/11 is false.
In uncritically endorsing the NIST report, Monbiot neglects to inform his readers that the actual WTC collapse mechanism for the entire building was never documented by NIST – they didn’t see it as their job. Additionally in accepting that the towers collapsed at virtually free-fall speed (“the weight of the collapsing top stories generated a momentum the rest of the building could not arrest”), Monbiot shows no awareness that this explanation, as physicist Steven Jones points out, violates the law of conservation of momentum.
Monbiot also appears oblivious to NIST’s failure to explain many other facts: that although fire could not have melted any steel, there were pools of molten metal under the rubble, and these pools remained molten for weeks after the collapse; that dozens of people, including firefighters, news-reporters, fleeing victims all reported massive explosions; the clear video evidence of explosions taking place; that virtually all the concrete was pulverized into tiny particles; the apparent disintegration of the central steel core; and the destruction of all the evidence from America’s biggest crime scene, which was systematically transported to Asian and African shores before any forensic examination could take place.
Monbiot then endorses the idea that WTC 7 collapsed because “thousands of gallons of diesel [were poured] on to the fire”---oblivious to the fact that, even if an enormous fire could have caused this building’s symmetrical collapse (which required all 81 steel columns to miraculously fail simultaneously), there was, as photographs and eyewitnesses reveal, no enormous fire. Monbiot is also evidently unaware that engineers and demolition experts, after studying videos of WTC 7’s collapse, have declared that it can only have been caused by explosives.
Monbiot suggests that thousands of people must have been involved in the conspiracy, as if to suggest that the official story must therefore be true. We have no clue as to how many people would have to be involved, (though some suggest probably fewer than 1000), but, wasn’t the Manhattan project, involving 100,000 kept secret, with even Vice President Truman not aware, until weeks before the first atom bomb was dropped?
Monbiot follows this attack by suggesting that Counterpunch by refuting the films claims has to be right, because it is a left leaning newspaper. George, acceptance of the official ‘conspiracy’ theory is not a left/right political issue. It is about whether we can accept a story put forward by the only organization with the means, motive and opportunity, which defeats the laws of physics, denies the abundance of witness testimony, and rejects readily available video evidence.
We agree that a $10,000 movie made by two, twenty two year olds can’t answer all the questions, doubts, and inconsistencies that 100 million people now have – but the fact that 100 million people now have these doubts, is the strongest argument for an open, honest public debate, and a truly independent enquiry. As we say in the 9/11 Truth Movement, ask questions, demand answers, investigate 9/11.
Tim Sparke Executive Producer Loose Change Final Cut:
Tim@joiningthedots.tv |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Good. Monbiot deserves perpetual purgatory from thinking truthers for that abominable article. That was his 911 - the ill wind - the straw that broke.. he will never recover from it because it was obviously no honest opinion piece but a POS grovelling compliance with HMV. _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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QuitTheirClogs Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Response: Don't believe the official 'conspiracy' theory
We have to ask who stood to gain the most from the appalling events of 9/11, says Tim Sparke - Tuesday February 13, 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2011845,00.html
Letters: The official 9/11 story doesn't add up - Thursday February 8, 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,2007936,00.html
George Monbiot - Tuesday February 6, 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006831,00.html _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
David Ray Griffin - 9/11: the Myth & the Reality
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413 |
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Jayhawk Moderate Poster
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xmasdale Angel - now passed away
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I have posted the following on the Guardian's website.
"If George Monbiot and Tim Sparke are men of integrity, they will accept a challenge to debate this disturbing issue in public. Perhaps The Guardian could set up such a debate. Failing that, someone else could.
Who would care to organise it?
TedE"
I think this flurry of interest in The Guardian is a wonderful opportunity to give the issue wider coverage and we should try to set up such a debate.
Noel |
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: Monbiot's past catches up and kicks him in the arse |
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Sent this email:
Quote: | Dear Mr Monbiot,
I read your article regarding this instrumental documentary regarding the tragic event of 9/11 on the Guardian website
I wonder if you comment on the following:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,574809,00.html
If we are to preserve the progress, pluralism, tolerance and freedom which President Bush claims to be defending, then we must question everything we see and hear. Though we know that governments lie to us in wartime, most people seem to believe that this universal rule applies to every conflict except the current one. Many of those who now accept that babies were not thrown out of incubators in Kuwait, and that the Belgrano was fleeing when it was hit, are also prepared to believe everything we are being told about Afghanistan and terrorism in the US.
There are plenty of reasons to be sceptical. The magical appearance of the terrorists' luggage, passports and flight manual looks rather too good to be true. The dossier of "evidence" purporting to establish Bin Laden's guilt consists largely of supposition and conjecture. The ration packs being dropped on Afghanistan have no conceivable purpose other than to create the false impression that starving people are being fed. Even the anthrax scare looks suspiciously convenient. Just as the hawks in Washington were losing the public argument about extending the war to other countries, journalists start receiving envelopes full of bacteria, which might as well have been labelled "a gift from Iraq". This could indeed be the work of terrorists, who may have their own reasons for widening the conflict, but there are plenty of other ruthless operators who would benefit from a shift in public opinion.
Kind regards
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Quote: | Democracy is sustained not by public trust but by public scepticism. Unless we are prepared to question, to expose, to challenge and to dissent, we conspire in the demise of the system for which our governments are supposed to be fighting. The true defenders of America are those who are now being told that they are anti-American. |
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QuitTheirClogs Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Mark Gobell On Gardening Leave
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: |
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George Monbiot must have had some kind of reverse epiphany.
Are we to assume that a career in journalism does, in fact, mess with one's mind ? _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Mark Gobell wrote: | George Monbiot must have had some kind of reverse epiphany.
Are we to assume that a career in journalism does, in fact, mess with one's mind ? |
No epiphany. Controlled opposition in situ. Media personalities. They are everywhere
Media = Control _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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Pincher Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: Why Many Liberals Reject 9/11 Truth |
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I can't help smiling inwardly when yet another progressive figure is outed as an anti truther. This time it's George Monbiot, self styled environmental guru (I understand he is a professor of politics and has no formal scientific accreditation), who has poured cold water on the conspiracy and spread consternation amongst the 9/11 faithful.
There are some obvious reasons why our seemingly natural Amerophobic allies might choose to be sceptical about the plot. Firstly, in the same way that it aint good for a scientist's career prospects if he is labelled a 'climate contrarian' it aint good for a liberals' public profile to be seen consorting intellectually with an obsessive marginalised rabble.
Secondly, as I have stated in earlier posts, many liberal and progressive figures may not be what they seem. Just as the FBI used COINTELPRO to both monitor and manage the liberal/left opposition in the US for two decades MI5 has been doing the same here in the UK (mainly by infiltrating movements with informers, agent provocateurs and bogey men) since the Bolshevik revolution.
However, there are ideological reasons why many lefties and alternative types won't play ball with us. Most conspiracy theorists are considered right wing nutcases. Although I do not consider myself either to be liberal or left wing I understand the natural reluctance of members of these tendencies to be tainted by 9/11 association. More on this in a mo.
Sleeping with the enemy though, pales into insignificance compared to the ideological/intellectual/emotional vault-face required to propel the muesli munchers into the ranks of the truth seekers. Cast your mind back to the aftermath of the 'attack' on the twin towers...
Remember the liberal line that America 'deserved' to be attacked by Muslims, that this was payback for Gulf I? Little bit hard now, don't you think, for the sweaty sandal brigade to acknowledge that 9/11 was a de facto coup organised by a tiny East Coast elite against the Federal Government and citizens of the US to enable them to prise the Middle East/Central Asia out of the grip of France, Russia and China?
Which brings me back to the right wing nut cases, the 'anti Zionist' obsessives, amongst us. Let us get one thing clear. This show is a CIA production first to last - geddit? Mossad (aka 'The State of Israel) isn't even the leading man. As for the 'Muslims', they are merely day players who earn their crust by sticking to the script written for them in Langley, Virginia. In this movie, the hero's ostensible enemy is his ally and his partners, even his very own comrades, are his enemy.
Once you get this, fellow truthers, and sing it loud enough and often enough the intellectual dishonesty of Monbiot and co will be of no consequence. |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps, then, you can explain why dual Israeli-US nationals are key players in the US 911 team, and 5 Israelis were there IN ADVANCE to 'document the event' rather than simply asking us to believe your assertion that 911 is a purely US operation?
Evidence, not Ideology, is driving the 'Zionist' connection. It is NOT crazy. _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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Pincher Validated Poster
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rodin wrote: | Perhaps, then, you can explain why dual Israeli-US nationals are key players in the US 911 team, and 5 Israelis were there IN ADVANCE to 'document the event' rather than simply asking us to believe your assertion that 911 is a purely US operation?
Evidence, not Ideology, is driving the 'Zionist' connection. It is NOT crazy. |
Unfortunately like too many conspiracy theorists, Rodin, you are extremely literal minded and not at all savvy.
Mossad (and its dual nationals) is the CIA by another name me ol' mucker. Israel is lobbied for, administered and financed by an East Coast Jewish elite. The WASP/Yankee establishment have a tacit understanding with this group (whom they socially despise and shun): be content with playing second fiddle in the US and you can play second fiddle in Israel too.
Zionism died on May 14th 1948 the day the US founded its first colony in the Middle East: the modern state of Israel. |
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Zionism died on May 14th 1948 the day the US founded its first colony in the Middle East: the modern state of Israel. |
You are as befuddled and misled as any believer in the 9/11 OCT. The refusal to see blatant evidence is what you have in common with them. Calling someone "right-wing" because they see the evil of Zionism is as meaningless as accusing them of "anti-Semitism". |
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Bongo 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe it is as simple as Mobiot having just been taken into the office for a quiet word regarding his work ethic? |
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Bongo 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Pincher, you make some interesting points, but when you get into the realms of both historical and current geo-political agendas of various bodies, there will always be a huge degree of guesswork involved. "one mans story is another mans lie"... which brings us to the issue of who you believe? Geo-politics and the role of secret services is both a historical and on-going tangled web. For this reason I tend to ignore most of this info and stick to the basic facts of the events of 9/11 itself. Scientific evidence of controlled demolition, atta and the $100,000, the August PDB, eye witness reports, Falsities in the PNAC-NIST-911commission reports etc... Otherwise, I think we could be debating the role of Mossad, CIA, ISI, even Zionists... till the cows come home.
Ps, it is also not for the newly awoken, a large dose of information overload maybe? BRAIN EXPLODING... BRAIN EXPLODING... (Dalek Voice) |
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Pincher Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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blackcat wrote: | Quote: | Zionism died on May 14th 1948 the day the US founded its first colony in the Middle East: the modern state of Israel. |
You are as befuddled and misled as any believer in the 9/11 OCT. The refusal to see blatant evidence is what you have in common with them. Calling someone "right-wing" because they see the evil of Zionism is as meaningless as accusing them of "anti-Semitism". |
The blatant evidence, Blackcat, is that Israel's very existence is wholly dependent on an East Coast White Anglo Saxon Protestant elite who indulge in vicious social anti Semitism The day that support is witheld is the day that Israel ceases to be. That is empirical fact.
You, on the other hand, subscribe to a wholly superstitious notion that the dominant superpower of the last 100 years is controlled by a shadowy clique of hook nosed bullion hoarders operating out of the City of London.
And you have the cheek to call me 'befuddled.' |
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The blatant evidence, Blackcat, is that Israel's very existence is wholly dependent on an East Coast White Anglo Saxon Protestant elite who indulge in vicious social anti Semitism The day that support is witheld is the day that Israel ceases to be. That is empirical fact. |
Sorry Pincher, but the evidence does not point that way.
Posters on this forum like Rodin and Blackcat are hitting the nail on the head. The main hand/ elite behind 9-11 are Jewish. It's that simple. Thats not to say all Jews are in on it.
The main key to understanding that it HAS to be Israel is the strong loyalty of the Jews to each other and their cause. They have motive and the means. They control the money supply. They have bought the media and greatly control education. They have their agents in most of the mainstream Christian churches. This is not an overnight thing. They have been building this up over generations. They have made the West stupid and are winning through divide and rule. No other group has the loyalty and resourcefulness that this group has.
Of course they are aided by gentile traitors in the West. They do this by various means. Would it that the WASPs were strong: at least that would serve as a counterbalance. The WASPs were defeated when they were lead into World War 2.
Anyone on this forum who disagrees that Zionism is the main hand, there are only 3 reasons I can give as to why you would hold that position:
1. You haven't studied history enough. In that case, you need to spend less time on terrorism and learn about history. 9-11 didn't happen in a vacuum.
2. You are in denial, probably because of the overwhelming yet subtle propaganda of the media which is pro-Zionist because it is owned by them.
3. You are one of them and thus are lying to protect your cause. |
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Bongo 9/11 Truth critic
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Pincher... from providing you with the benefit of the doubt, I now know that you never read... 'Nor Understood' my last post.
Pincher Wrote...
Quote: | The blatant evidence, Blackcat, is that Israel's very existence is wholly dependent on an East Coast White Anglo Saxon Protestant elite who indulge in vicious social anti Semitism The day that support is witheld is the day that Israel ceases to be. That is empirical fact. |
... you are obviously a deluded sectarian, but to give you a benefit of the doubt for a second time, please tell me why 'this is empirical fact?' |
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blackbear Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Pincher.......have you ever been to a Zoo.
Who controls America......Sharon knew...
Another Zionist whore......* off to Harry's Place. |
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blackcat Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | You, on the other hand, subscribe to a wholly superstitious notion that the dominant superpower of the last 100 years is controlled by a shadowy clique of hook nosed bullion hoarders operating out of the City of London.
And you have the cheek to call me 'befuddled.' |
I do not subscribe to any such notion nor do I consider anyone a "hook nosed bullion hoarder". That statement is the usual feeble attempt to smear any critic of Zionism as an anti-Semite. There is nothing "shadowy" about the immense influence of Zionism over US politics, media and finance and the facts of that are all BLATANTLY obvious. For your information these people have even managed to wipe a country off the map (Palestine), creating their own in its place, gain nuclear weapons, and manage to get the USA to veto UN resolution after resolution which try to stop their wickedness. Anyone who ignores the reality of Zionist control of America (the Zionists even brag about it) is indeed befuddled - or evil. |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Pincher wrote: | Unfortunately like too many conspiracy theorists, Rodin, you are extremely literal minded and not at all savvy.
Mossad (and its dual nationals) is the CIA by another name me ol' mucker. Israel is lobbied for, administered and financed by an East Coast Jewish elite. The WASP/Yankee establishment have a tacit understanding with this group (whom they socially despise and shun): be content with playing second fiddle in the US and you can play second fiddle in Israel too.
Zionism died on May 14th 1948 the day the US founded its first colony in the Middle East: the modern state of Israel. |
What do you mean by literal minded? Actually an online IQ test revealed a 'visual mathematician' which is, I think, closer to the mark. But it is true - I can spell.
Now as to who controls who - what a mess. Draw a curve on a flat sheet. Is it concave or convex? There are always two opposing possibilities.
When looking for who is in 'control' consider the media. The media is a way to tell the masses what to think. Controlling the media excludes truth from being reported that would damage its owners. So - who owns the media? _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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Pincher Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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The main key to understanding that it HAS to be Israel is the strong loyalty of the Jews to each other and their cause. They have motive and the means. They control the money supply. They have bought the media and greatly control education. They have their agents in most of the mainstream Christian churches. This is not an overnight thing. They have been building this up over generations. They have made the West stupid and are winning through divide and rule. No other group has the loyalty and resourcefulness that this group has.
I find it both intriguing and disturbing that no other poster on this board has denounced these anti Semitic sentiments (dressed up as anti Zionism) posted by the racist moron who calls himself Rabbie McM.
Moreover, I find it deeply ironic that this closet holocaust denier and Nazi sympathiser can accuse me of being ahistorical whilst he summarises the greatest literary and political hoax of modern times and presents it as the truth.
For the Philistines amongst you (ie the vast majority) said hoax is 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion', the Tsarist secret police forgery (first surviving copy is dated 1903). This crude propaganda was designed to deter 'Christian Orthodox Slavs' from supporting the Russian political reform movement by claiming that it was merely a front for the Jews in their quest for world domination.
The proof that McMoron is principally a vicious, visceral anti-Semite and not just a pig ignorant anti Zionist is the fact that the great Jewish conspiracy (ie world domination) fabricated in the 'The Protocols' did not have as its objective the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine (either literally or figuratively). Of course, many other anti-Semites have revised this nonsene to the extent that 'Zionism' substituted for 'world domination.'
Ergo, anyone else here who signs up to and propagates this revisionist twaddle is peddling a double fraud, a hoax within a hoax. Worse, according to the leading historians on the subject (Walter Laqueur, Howard Sachar and Jack Fischel to name but three) anyone who uses this bile as a justifictaion to label Jews who support the State of Israel as 'Zionists' are in reality anti Semitic.
So, to all you 'anti Zionists' out there: if you're a bit sensitive about being labelled 'anti Semitic', 'Nazi Sympathisers', or simply 'racist scumbags' you'd better stick to historical fact and not historical fiction.
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The Watcher Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: Concerns about Zionism |
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Pincher wrote:
Quote: | ... and not just a pig ignorant anti Zionist |
Question to Pincher:
Are all anti-Zionists 'pig ignorant'?
The Watcher |
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Whitehall_Bin_Men Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: Monbiot family tree |
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George Monbiot comes from an atheist Jewish family and his father, Raymond, is both deputy chairman of the Conservative Party and Chairman of the Tories' National Convention.
It'd be interesting to know why he felt it necessary to write this attack on the 9/11 Truth movement - since it's clearly an area he hasn't studied.
Looks like someone, somewhere, has decided to cash in Monbiot's remaining credibility chips. _________________ --
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Martin Van Creveld: Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
Martin Van Creveld: I'll quote Henry Kissinger: "In campaigns like this the antiterror forces lose, because they don't win, and the rebels win by not losing." |
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Abandoned Ego Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: A perfect example |
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This thread is a perfect example of exactly why 5 Israelis were seen dancing in Arab headress and filming the attacks.
Its a perfect example of why all this Anti Israel rhetoric is exactly what the Global elite want.
Im just wondering. Did Israel benefit from the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Vietnam war ?
Did they benefit from Pearl Harbour ?
Of course they didnt, but that doesnt stop shallow thinking from Shouting in not so many words that "the Joos did it."
If I was cointel, all I would suggest doing is getting a few meatheads to stoke up such ranting, and then invite the press to look at the "raving Antisemites" within the "9/11 truth cult"
Cheney, Blair, The Rothschilds and Rockerfellers, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Perle, The Vatican and the European Royal Families, must be wetting themselves with laughter as the profits of war are passed from your pockets into their pockets completely unnoticed amidst the "Israel did it" clamour.
Gotta hand it to the above peeps though. Help set up a "safe haven" in a crappy piece of desert which is guaranteed to be good for War (and the same said profiteers )almost adfinitum.
For the Global elite, its Kinda like, light the Blue touchpaper, retire to a safe haven, pocket the cash, revel in the death of the Bovi/Goyim whilst always having the fallback of the racist card. Compound this by having another of your engineered productions - The Holocaust - which makes any such racism all the more "despicable"
This kind of thing can be easily activated by having 5 extremely covert Mossad agents ( ) get caught filming the whole 9/11 episode.
Hopefully the "Israel done it" crowd will get the message eventually. |
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scar Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Very well said Abandoned Ego. Somehow though i dont think that message will ever be received by those immersed in that way of thinking. |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: A perfect example |
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Abandoned Ego wrote: | This thread is a perfect example of exactly why 5 Israelis were seen dancing in Arab headress and filming the attacks.
This kind of thing can be easily activated by having 5 extremely covert Mossad agents ( ) get caught filming the whole 9/11 episode.
Hopefully the "Israel done it" crowd will get the message eventually. |
I presume from your post you think the Israelis framed THEMSELVES??? Is this what you are saying?
They were in place before 911 happened with camera, clothing etc.
Upon their arrest & identity being discoved they said 'We are not your problem, the Palestinians are your problem'
After 2 months in jail they are deported and turn up on Israeli TV explaining how they were documenting the event.
Now it is possible that Israel is going to be sacrificed in this coming ME war. I am debating this issue on another forum. But right now Israel is being used as a base of operations. And Rothschild has lavished money there on fancy buildings.
Sharon said to Peres 'We control America'. Was he faking it too? _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Pincher wrote: | The main key to understanding that it HAS to be Israel is the strong loyalty of the Jews to each other and their cause. They have motive and the means. They control the money supply. They have bought the media and greatly control education. They have their agents in most of the mainstream Christian churches. This is not an overnight thing. They have been building this up over generations. They have made the West stupid and are winning through divide and rule. No other group has the loyalty and resourcefulness that this group has.
I find it both intriguing and disturbing that no other poster on this board has denounced these anti Semitic sentiments (dressed up as anti Zionism) posted by the racist moron who calls himself Rabbie McM. |
1) Arabs are Semites. About 90% of Jews are Ashkenazi
2) Jewish control of the Media and Hollywood is not denied even by them
3) Their 'bible' is the Talmud - which has some fairly hair-raising stuff in it.
4) The Protocols may or may not be faked, certainly Henry Ford did not think so. Some attribute them to the hand of Rothschild. Whatever, if you examine the world today you will find that much of what was proposed in the Protocols has come to pass. The MO has been followed, with or without provenance.
5) The Holocaust I know not so much about - there are plenty of people who argue that it was simply impossible for it to have happened in the manner and extent claimed. Forensic studies on adsorbed Zyklon etc.. However, it is now a crime in many countries to question the history of the Holocaust, which means it has become a belief system. Only lies need laws to protect them.
Henry Makow is a Jewish writer I have the utmost respect for. Here is his take on what is going down
Scroll down for February 09, 2007 article...
http://www.savethemales.ca/
Another great Jewish truth-teller...
http://www.erichufschmid.net/BenjaminFreedmansSpeech16.mp3
audio excerpts from
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Freedman.html
Also Google Ezra Pound, Eustace Mullins and Aaron Russo _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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blackcat Validated Poster
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Quote: | anyone who uses this bile as a justifictaion to label Jews who support the State of Israel as 'Zionists' are in reality anti Semitic.
So, to all you 'anti Zionists' out there: if you're a bit sensitive about being labelled 'anti Semitic', 'Nazi Sympathisers', or simply 'racist scumbags' you'd better stick to historical fact and not historical fiction. |
Keep it up ass*ole. Like many Jews I am anti Zionist and Anti Israel, just like I am against all evil murderous b*astards and that does not make me an anti-Semite. It is pathetic how you fall back on that feeble name-calling. You are f*ucking rumbled and you are going to reap what you have sowed scumbag! |
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