Website and forum changes

[ian neal]

Website changes

The following changes to this website and forum and the shop window campaign website were agreed at the meeting in Bristol last weekend attended by Tony Gosling, Nick K, Adrian C, Mick Meaney, Ian Neal and briefly David Shayler and Steve (aka Dr Hemp) and followed on from numerous previous discussions at which broadly similar changes have been proposed and accepted including discussions on this forum and emails and phone calls amongst prominent campaigners and the moderators. The changes are also in line with discussions held at the London group meeting in November 2006 and the recent meeting of prominent campaigners held in Blackpool meeting. For the record, Noel (xmasdale) typed up the conclusions of the Blackpool meeting (see app. A)

These changes need to be seen in the round.

It is only by having the private forum of 'real namers', that we can relax about having an open forum with lots of users using pseudonyms or being people we don't personally know

It is only by having a credible website and newsletter that is under the
control of 'the committee' and that has a clear tight message that we can relax about allowing the open forum to drift into discussion on controversial areas.

It is only by creating an open space with fairly relaxed moderation (a melting pot of ideas and information, I think Tony has called it) that we can resist the charge that the 'truth movement' is gagged and controlled by an inner unaccountable clique.

It is only by redesigning the open forum so that it is clearly NOT
representative of the campaign, that the shop window site will be seen
to be significant and the clear webspace of the campaign

We aim to have these changes in place by the end of the month. Many thanks

Ian N

07986 616941

ianneal@fastmail.fm

Summary of changes to www.nineeleven.co.uk

Redesign of front page and forum removing references to the campaign. The purpose of this forum is to provide a safe, respectful, positive space for the discussion and information sharing related to political, economic, social or military events arising from the so-called ‘War on Terror’ and not solely 9/11

The URL will be changed, www.nineeleven.co.uk will redirect users to the new URL. The war of terror forum is the working title for this new forum.

The site links to www.911truthcampaign.net but also to a range of other related campaigns.

The reciprocated link back from www.911truthcampaign.net will carry a very prominent disclaimer

The forum would have no formal connection to www.911truthcampaign.net and will be designed to have a wider focus than just 9/11.

All threads on the existing forum would be locked but a link to it retained so that it can be used as an archive of information

The forum sections are expanded and separated. To prevent the forum appearing as a huge list of sections, each main section (About us, Campaigning, 9/11 files, War on Terror, The big picture, One World, Critics corner and Free-speech corner) will be accessible through a front page link with further explanation if required on the purpose of each section or disclaimer (as in the case of the free speech zone) on an additional page between the front page link and the forum section.

The war on terror forum categories

Each forum section has a link at top of front page to enter: so it would not be a huge long list of sections plus it is then easy to distinguish between 9/11 and non 9/11 discussion with a clear and very prominent disclaimer in the non 9/11 sections and free speech area
• About us: Discuss this site and its moderation principles
• Campaigning: Discuss the truth movement and campaigns for truth, peace and justice
• 9/11 files: Discuss 9/11 evidence and research including 9/11 Controversies to discuss the most controversial 9/11 theories
• War on Terror: Discuss the War of Terror
• The big picture: Discuss the bigger picture
• One World: Discuss your visions and solutions for a better world
• Critics corner
• Free-speech corner including anger management

Within these sections the following categories will be created

About us

War on Freedom campaigning
• 9/11 truth
• 7/7 and ‘domestic terror’
• Peace movement: Stop the war: Iraq, Iran, Mid-east
• Civil liberties
• Media and trust
• Justice, poverty and development
• Green movement

9/11 evidence files
• Intelligence failures
• Air defense failures
• The 9/11 ‘investigation’
• Tower collapses
• Pentagon
• Flight 93
• The perpetrators
• Other: insider trading, Israel connections, Saudi connections,

9/11 controversies: no planes, beam weapons and the like and discussion of the wider 9/11 truth movement

War of terror files
• The war of terror nexus: military-political-media-business connections
• Discussion of False flag terror: 7/7, Ireland, Bologna, Bali, Madrid, Oklahoma, USS Liberty.
• Media distortion and lies
• Domestic terror and erosion of civil liberties
• Extraordinary rendition, Terror in the EU
• Afghanistan
• Israel
• Lebanon, Syria
• Iraq: Hutton, Kelly and so forth
• S Asia: India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh
• SE Asia: Indonesia, Thailand,
• Iran
• Pakistan
• Africa: Algeria, Morocco, Somalia, Sudan, Chad,
• China
• Russia and FSU
• USA, South and Central America

The big picture
• Media
• War
• Money
• Secret societies and global elite
• Religion and spirituality
• Oil and energy
• Climate change
• Other

One World: Discuss your visions and solutions for a better world

‘The gathering’: a zone for general chit-chat, humour and getting to know you

Critics corner: area for people who do NOT support the need for a further investigation of 9/11 and the war of terror. Moderation free except for contraventions of the law

Beyond the pale: Free-speech zone including anger management. Moderation free except for contraventions of the law. Enter with care, massive disclaimer

This is the zone for most controversial, potentially offensive discussion and discussions that have deteriorated into personal abuse, etc. Moderation free except for contraventions of the law. Generally moderators would intervene to lock and move threads rather than delete material although posters who post offensive or abusive material in the free-speech zone may be banned from posting outside the free-speech zone. Experimental approach that will be reviewed after a few months. What is ‘beyond the pale’? Anything that is offensive or likely to be seen as offensive by others such as holocaust history, racism and so forth. The area will include an anger management zone.

Moderators area: hidden area for moderators to discuss moderation


Summary of changes to www.911truthcampaign.net

Establish a private forum for known campaigners with forum sections mirroring the unofficial public forum.

Produce a weekly email bulletin/newsletter. Mick Meaney (editor of www.rinf.com) has offered to produce this. The contents of the newsletter and website content will be ‘signed off’ by an editorial committee of 3 accountable to the campaign committee.

The campaign will also produce public statements and open letters that will become the public face of the campaign.

Calender of events generated within the private forum appears on front page.

The private forum will allow the committee to discuss the website content and its public messages with the wider community of known, named campaigners

The ‘committee’ publicly endorses a range of allied campaigns such as July 7, No2ID, Impeach Blair with links on front page. List of possible campaigns include July 7, caged prisoners, No2ID, Make Poverty History, CAMPACC, STWC, Stop the war, Military Families against the War MFAW, Free Gary, Caged prisoners, Justice for Jean, Impeach Blair, Impeach Bush, Extraordinary rendition, Stop DSEI/DESO, CAAT, Peace not war, Project Camelot, The disclosure project, No2ID, No tags, anti-SOCPA, CADU, Money reform, Global Call to End Poverty, Jubilee 2000, Media reform, Campaign for legitimate government, Climate change I count, rising tide, prophets of hope, Simpol, Be the change, MUJCA, Campaigns against racism or fascism, etc….

Relationship between to sites

There is demand and value in having an open, public forum sympathetic to 9/11 truth that generates considerable interest and traffic, raises the profile of 9/11 and allied campaigning in general and flags up interesting information.

The complete closure of the forum would generate disquiet amongst many that ‘grassroots’ opinion is being censored and controlled by the campaign committee or forum moderators.

The main problem with the forum site in its current format is it is perceived to represent the 9/11 Truth Campaign (GB&I)

The separation of the 2 sites will be reinforced by

• Unofficial forum has broader focus than just 9/11

• Known campaigners only post in their real names in the same way they would on any other public platform, in such a way that they are happy to have it quoted back at them and associated with the campaign. If in doubt campaigners should post under a pseudonym in public.

• Increased posting under pseudonyms when posting on the unofficial forum.

• Redefining the campaigning section to not just talk about our campaign but truth campaigning in general.

The private forum on the campaign site would be accessible only to known campaigners. All posters would post under their true identities and give contact information such as an email and/or mobile phone number. Discussion on this forum would be much more on campaigning and building a united front. The committee will appoint moderators for the moderation of the private forum. These may or may not be the same people responsible for the unofficial forum. Beyond this, if the committee see this as helpful a private space solely for committee member discussions can be created.

Definition of known campaigner: posts in real name, is vouched for by 2 other known campaigner or committee member. Final arbitrator of whether someone is recognised as a known campaigner rests with ‘the committee’.

Private campaign forum sections

1. Campaigning: Discuss the 9/11 and allied campaigning
2. Evidence: Discuss 9/11 evidence and research
3. War on Terror: Discuss the War of Terror
4. The big picture: Discuss the bigger picture
5. One World: Discuss your visions and solutions for a better world
6. Anger management
7. Moderators zone
8. Committee zone: for discussion amongst committee members

1) 9/11 truth campaign (GB and I)
• Campaign resources: Video and audio, leaflets, books and printed resources: recommend and discuss resources
• Campaign website, newsletter and media strategy
• Opinion formers: MPs and parliament, celebs, public figures
• Campaigning in mainstream and alternative media
• Local groups and grassroots action
• Public awareness: stalls, stunts, actions, leafleting
• Unofficial campaign proposals, projects and strategies*
• Official campaign events*
• Governance and oversight

2) 9/11 evidence (The purpose of this section is to compile and refine our case to answer, the questions and evidence that will ultimately appear on the campaign website)
• Media cover-up of 9/11
• Intelligence failures
• Air defense failures
• The 9/11 ‘investigation’
• Tower collapses
• Pentagon
• Flight 93
• The perpetrators
• Other: insider trading, Israel connections, Saudi connections,

9/11 controversies: no planes, beam weapons and the like (if you must) and discussion of the wider 9/11 truth movement

3) War of terror files
• The war of terror nexus: the military-political-media-business complex
• False flag terror: 7/7, Bali, Madrid, Oklahoma…..
• Media distortion and lies
• Domestic terror and erosion of civil liberties
• Afghanistan
• Israel
• Lebanon, Syria
• Iraq
• Iran
• Pakistan
• Indonesia, Thailand, China
• Somalia, Sudan, Africa
• China
• Russia and FSU
• Extraordinary rendition

4) Analysis of the big picture
• Media
• War
• Money
• Secret societies and global elite
• Religion and spirituality
• Oil and energy
• Climate change
• Other

5) One World: Discuss our visions and solutions for a better world

6) ‘The gathering’: a zone for general chit-chat, humour and getting to know you

7) Anger management: hopefully empty

Private forum for committee members only

Campaign newsletter / digest

A weekly or bi-weekly national newsletter posted on the campaign site and emailed to all supporters. Up beat, positive, concise and professional and our principle mechanism of regular communication.

Categories to include
• Message from the Chair
• Forthcoming events
• Campaign news
• 9/11 in the news
• War on Terror news

Edited by Mick Meaney (RINF editor)
Signed off by Editorial committee of 3
Content proposed by known supporters via email and private forum
Posted on campaign website front page and distributed by email

Campaign open letters and sign on letters

The campaign will write open letters to politicians, media and so forth. See the model of medialens alerts and ‘the ex-diplomats’ letter as examples. Sign on letters invite other allied campaigners and public figures to support a letter/statement typically on wider campaign issue (for example this letter on GMOs)

Trust and integrity and accusations of ‘shill’

Building trust and integrity amongst supporters is vitally important. We will be infiltrated by ‘agents of darkness’, those with a hidden agenda. However, supporters who strongly suspect a fellow campaigner has a hidden agenda, discredits the campaign or is something other than what they say they are should not voice these suspicions publicly on web forums, the campaign forum or wide email distribution but instead should compile an evidence based case and share with trusted colleagues, with the committee chair (who will then consult more widely amongst the committee) and with the suspected campaigner themselves.

Any campaigner who publicly voices their suspicions without following this process (by for example throwing accusations of shill around) will themselves be seen to be undermining the unity of the campaign. Put up (evidence) or shut up.

App A: Noel’s proposal discussed at Blackpool

I (Noel) put the proposals I am now sending to you (both as a Word file attachment and reproduced below) to the national Campaigning workshop held in Blackpool last weekend. To my great surprise everyone present agreed that we need to revise our website strategy along something approximating to these lines. There were about 25 of us present at the workshop including Belinda, Annie, Justin, Andrew Johnson and Mick Meaney.

We are gathering pace. Wishing the moderators every success in their deliberations next weekend, Best wishes to all

Noel

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Website Proposal by Noel Glynn 29.01.07

1 That the new website 911truthcampaign.net be designed to appeal to the chattering classes, including politicians and journalists

2 That it make no statement about what really happened other than well-sourced references to evidence

3 That it have no discussion forum visible to outsiders

4 That it describe the objectives and aims of the 911 Truth Campaign (Britain and Ireland)

5 That it suggest avenues of research for those interested, e.g:

a Was the Bush government forewarned?

b Were those in charge of the biggest defence failure since Pearl Harbor disciplined, demoted or promoted?

c Did Osama bin Laden and/or his family have any recent connections with the Bush administration?

d Who sent money to alleged lead terrorist Mohammed Atta days before the attacks?

e How many buildings were hit and how many collapsed?

f etc

(this is all mild stuff which anyone with an inquiring mind should not see as outrageous conspiracy theory but which acts as an introduction to show people that something is wrong with the official account and that it needs investigating more deeply)

6 That all discussion about what really happened continue on nineeleven.co.uk forum, but that website be stripped of any implication that it represents 911 Truth Campaign (Britain and Ireland). We post on it only under unrecognisable pseudonyms so that those seeking to rubbish what we say publicly cannot go to this website and trace the name of something said by a named supporter of the Campaign to find something allegedly ridiculous which they have written on nineeleven.co.uk (be that beam weapons, no planes, UFOs, pods, lizards or whatever)

7 That a discussion forum attached to the new website be about campaigning only. We post on it only under our real names. It not be visible to the general public. Those entitiled to read and write on it must be proposed and seconded by trusted 911 truth activists, those who already have access to it

8 That all references to nineeleven.co.uk be removed from our literature

9 That the approach to the new website 911truthcampaign.net be one of "marketing" - giving the Campaign an image which will appeal to the chattering classes, including journalists, peace campaigners and politicians

10 That the moderators work out an overall strategy, including guidelines for moderation of any forum we have or propose, and recommend it to the Campaign Committee, namely: Ian Crane, Belinda M, Annie M, Justin W, Morgan S, Andy B (IN: I would add Adrian Cannock as Bristol representative and myself)

[Jim]

My thoughts ...

The fundamentals:

1. The current forums have a solid membership count and are popular

For these reasons alone I suggest that we keep the current forums intact.

2. The current forums are intimately associated with the 'nineeleven.co.uk' domain name

This is technical and psychological truth - and it's branded into the site. The domain/site contains RSS feeds and has been seeded over multiple search engines and sites over the last 18 months, in order to increase its ranking in search engines. We are currently #1 in Google for '9/11 uk' and #1 or #2 for '911 uk' - mostly topping Porsche. Changing the domain drastically will result in 'starting from square one' or worse ... going back two.

** Moving and/or redirecting the domain will probably result in a drastic reduction on the overall search engine page ranking **

As such, I suggest that you leave the domain associated with the current forums, assuming (1) holds.

The Proposal:

If you are considering another forum, I would like to propose the following simple solution to the requirements of all concerned:

1) Do NOT redirect the domain to another site - see above.

2) Modify the title and description of the current site only from '... Campaign ...' to '... Movement ...'.

3) Create the new site FIRST before making ANY changes.

4) Add a prominent link to the new site on the front page of the current forums.

(4) will give immediate and continued weight to the new forum as the current site has a good Google ranking and will thus feed the new site into Google and will give it weight. We will also not be majorly affecting the page ranking for the original forums as not much will have changed.

In a nutshell:

1) Minor cosmetic change to current forums
2) Create new site
3) Link new from original i.e. private from public
4) Business as usual rather than potential disaster

Remember: Keep It Simple

[rodin]

war of terror is catchy title...














not

[paul wright]

Phew. Reading through the proposals with the apparent complexity of interelationships and the long lists of permissabilties did make my brain hurt rather, but I suspect it's probably easier in practice and the bits I could figure seem generally sound.
I think JHR's comments on searchability should be taken on board.

[Busker]

Give it a go. People will get used to it in time I think. Not sure about the WoT title though.

If you're going to have secret forums, it would be better to keep them just that. Secret. There will be some who get all tetchy about hierarchical campaign structures etc....

[Stephen]

Doe's this mean that I wil be able to talk about The Reptilian Illuminati?
On this new forum? (For The Bigger Picture)

[Poacher]

I can't believe you are even thinking of changing the url! For heavens sake listen to your admin - it takes a lot of effort to get good rankings on google and you will risk throwing it all away by moving the forum off the current url.

Ninieleven.co.uk does EXACTLY what it says on the tin and in my opinion should be held. This is the most popular 9/11 public forum in the UK and high on the list worldwide. You have a responsibility to keep the momentum, not destroy the lot and rebuild it!

Just look at your user logs and see the steady growth you have achieved. . . and think of the kind of traffic you will have if you follow the growth curve. . . and you are risking throwing all that away?

Madness!

[Stephen]

[hampton]

at first reading, the proposals seem sensible.

but considering the importance of search engines,
i feel the site MUST be left mainly as it is with a few cosmetic/name changes and a prominent link to the new site

[Poacher]

. . and while I am at it. Do I take it that you do NOT currently have a moderators forum?

EVERY forum with more the one moderator should have one where issues and members can be discussed privately. . . this is basic common practise. It is also important to have a seperate admin forum where the site owners can discuss the moderators!

A moderators forum can be set up in seconds. Use it to transfer 'problem' posts to so an admin can decide on what to do. Use it to post guidance notes so all moderators can use them to keep the forum running smoothly. Encourage moderators to post any issues so that other moderators know what has been going on when offline. Use it to let trusted moderators discuss improvements to the site. Use it for moderators and admin to discuss possible prospective members who seem to have the skills and talent to become moderators themselves.

This advice is hard earned from much busier public online internet forums like this one, I have seen many popular forums crash and burn for lack of good strategy and management (loose change being a classic example), and have personally grown forums from zero to many thousands of members including a team of over 20 moderators.

[Jim]

Poacher

We do have several mods - see the Moderators group listing for member details. Of course, too many mods can fek up the forum ... hopefully I won't get modded for saying that.

We've also got a private section with various places to discuss issues, mods, campaigning, site etc. We do also employ the transfer of posts technique (quarantine) that you mention.