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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still nothing from those legendary hordes of structural engineers yet Pepik?

You know - those structural engineers who either subcontract to civil engineers on civil infrastructure projects or large building design; the ones that require city, state and/or government licensing before they can even get started?

Or even the academic ones who work for Educational Establishments that are heavily dependent on government finance? Not that that would in any way influence their judgement regarding criticising the government's own findings.

After all, it's not as if we're living in some kind of petty-minded fascist state that might visit consequences on any outspoken professional now, is it?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure you wouldn't risk your job at burger king to report that the boss is using human flesh instead of beef, but most people wouldn't cover up mass murder to protect their jobs.

Now please stop with the hysterics and let KP50 explain his theory.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sure you wouldn't risk your job at burger king to report that the boss is using human flesh instead of beef, but most people wouldn't cover up mass murder to protect their jobs.

Now please stop with the hysterics and let KP50 explain his theory.


You mean like all those upstanding citizens who didn't speak out in Germany in the 30's or more recently Serbia, when the good old mass murder solution was being applied?

I always had the impression - mistakenly, it seems, that critics were despite their shortcomings, members of the reality based community.

Anyhoo, be that as it may, we don't want to go forgetting about all these structural engineers and their analysis of the core collapse, so whenever you're ready....

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You seem to be treating the core as a binary object, either intact or destroyed - rather than as a network of steel columns. The fact that a part of the core was still standing briefly at the end of the collapse cannot be used to indicate that there were no explosives in the sub-basements.

The behaviour of the core after the impacts and during collapse is hard to determine given we can't see the b* - however the movement of the antenna on top of the north tower before the floors start collapsing indicates that the core gave way first.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK so your theory is that if you place explosives on the core, in the basement, the building would collapse from the top down and the core would be the last thing standing.

This is too stupid for me to bother with. Good luck with convincing the unbelievers.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OK so your theory is that if you place explosives on the core, in the basement, the building would collapse from the top down and the core would be the last thing standing.

This is too stupid for me to bother with. Good luck with convincing the unbelievers.


Is that debunking 102?

I'm still trying to pin anyone down on the explosives in the basement. Still waiting for that convincing explanation that an impact on floor 95 can cause an explosion deep in the basement - I do expect you to keep ignoring it though.

And you know every well, while trying to label it as "too stupid for me to bother with" that I have not stated that the collapse was initiated by explosives in the basement. The core had to be collapsing just prior to the floors being blasted otherwise it would be sticking up in the air. Many explosions at many levels of the core would be needed for this to happen.

I have a feeling that the camera shake as observed on fixed cameras approximately 10 seconds prior to collapse - along with witnesses describing the ground shaking - might be a clue as to when the major core destruction took place.
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