9/11 Truth "a mortal danger" - Monbiot's latest

[Skeptic]

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also, this bizarre piece in the G2:

[Snowygrouch]

WHF??????

I see Monbiot now calls us "idiots" and "morons".
Wow, prose like that takes some practise.

Well Mr Monbiot, the feeling is very much mutual.

[Skeptic]

I can't post a comment on the page - it says it can't recognise the URL.

Anyone else having trouble?

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[TonyGosling]

Monbiot throws his lot in with a certain Larry O'Hara
O'Hara's 9/11 cultwatch - http://www.911cultwatch.org.uk/
O'Hara's Notes from the Borderland - http://www.borderland.co.uk/
See this if you want a laff - http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/10/326337.html?c=on#comments

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WOW !!! - is this LIHOP edging into MIHOP ? - Geoffrey Wheatcroft

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[Skeptic]

this comment made me laugh:

[rodin]

[John White]

I was talking to some on Monbiot's readers yesterday: I hit them with the "Press for Truth" info: they were gobsmacked that monbiot wasnt using it! "how come we're not being told the investigation was so flawed? OMG!" Guys like this have their column inches and think it lets them define the world: it does'nt. 9/11 truth is a juggernaught that will role all over a road bump like Monbiot: becuase people want the Truth!

[Carlos]

exactly - people are fed up with being lied to and being fed nonsense.

After Iraq, and basically EVERYTHING this government is doing with it's so called "program"... that the majority of people just don't trust them, especially B-Liar (although personally I'd give him an A* for lying )

people are hungry for non-propaganda: i.e the truth.

[TonyGosling]

Real threat of war - Other strings to the Zionist Iran agenda

[uselesseater]

Were damaging movements he has taken years to build? Yes George, but those movements are demonsterably impotent, as is painfuly obvious; picking away at the symptom, just following the leader. You can complain about the injustice of the war all you like but you will never win the argument as people have an illusion with wich to ustify it.

George 'believes' the attacks were allowed to happen. So that's LIHOP, welcome to the 9/11 truth movement you conspiracy nut George.

After this I think he should at least do the honourable thing and accept a challenge to a public debate with someone from the truth movement. Wouldn't even need to be anyone special, if his articles on 9/11 are anything to go by, a 10 year old could make him look stupid.

The article is a disgrace to journalism still not surprising when you remember that it's printed in a government funded rag.

[paul wright]

Nevertheless, the Truth movement continues to be maintained as a factor in the public consciousness, as opposed to the almost blanket cover-up of its existence, only a few weeks ago. Loose Change remains boosted on Google. A traditional 9/11 or 7/7 false flag becomes much more dangerous. A million or 10 million more people would view it with suspicion, even if they've taken on board the word of the BBC and Monbiot for the moment. The seed of doubt has been planted, where before there might have been barren soil.
I'm still inclined to think there's some kind of management going on beyond the superficial intent of 'quashing' conspiracy ideas.

[Mark Gobell]

Interesting thoughts there dh - others have alluded to same.

What is going on ?

Is GM's apparent position genuine ?

In which case, what is it's purpose ?

Left / Green gatekeeping - if so why and why now ?

If there is something more sublime going on what is it ?

His pieces have been deliberately provocative and intemperate by design, that much is clear. They are guaranteed to provoke a reaction and stimulate debate, at least on line.

Allusions to "squirrels hoarding their nuts" vis NFB proposed "secret squirrel" monika for new 911 UK members only forum ?

Is it just some kind of arrogant satire ?

Climate change denial and 9/11 nutjobs ?

Has he misread the situation and / or are we possibly misreading him ?

Would he really put his head above the parapet in some pseudo sacrificial way for a none too obvious outcome ?

He also admits to having to check scholars et al in case he missed something, clearly indicating that he didn't do his homework and then provides links !

I find it difficult to reason that the less obvious rationale could be at work here - are things that subtle these days - I don't think so, unless of course this is the only subversive way to breach the media dam ?

Is the combined media effort related to LC Final Cut - just to muddy the waters ?

Any ideas ?

[Abandoned Ego]

[Mark Gobell]

Post it on CiF AE.

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[paul wright]

I think you have to accept that coming back for a second pitch on the subject, George means what he says, though even then, looking at the comical OTT overtones of the title of the piece, you gotta wonder...
You see, it was always my contention that when not only were no WMD found in Iraq, but the country appeared to have been scrubbed clean of even the smallest historic document referring to WMD, that was the signal that Bush & co. and maybe Blair too, were being fatally undermined, in order to set them up to take the rap for 9/11 when the proper story was finally outed
I don't know, perhaps they've got to commit one more atrocity, such as smashing up Iran and irradiating the subcontinent, before completion of the process of apportioning the blame.
Perhaps the high profile of the truth campaign is an initial massaging of general public consciousness, so that the concept is firmly implanted if not yet accepted
And you see what occurs when the world's been thrown into chaos even further, then top government individuals, elements of the military, intelligence and security agencies are revealed as complicit in 9/11, well, sounds like it may be a case for UN intervention in the governance of Western nations, as well of restoring order to those nations so grossly abused as a result of 9/11. A one world take over kind of affair.
Perhaps an unnecessarily complicated scenario, but one I muse on now and then

[rodin]

[TonyGosling]

http://zionism-realenemyofthejews.com/

Link

http://www.savevideo.net/

Now the Monbiot fellow travellers' film
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1 408386595

[TonyGosling]

[rodin]

[TonyGosling]

Clicking my way through Counterpunch today I came across this brilliant indictment of my profession written by Hunter S. Thompson, who was also one of the first to say 9/11 was an inside job. And quite possibly one of the first to be suicided.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/020305thompsonwarned.ht m

[conspiracy analyst]

Monbiot, Galloway, NFB, Labour Party on the 9/11 issue.
Its the umbilical cord that connects politics, finance and the military industrial oil complex in Texas.

Prescott in bed with Texan casino men.
Blair in bed with McDonnel Douglas, Monsanto and Bechtel.

The traditional 'right' can no longer argue that 9/11 was organised by Osama Bin Laden. The story is wearing thin.

The baton is passed to the unelected windbags of the STWC.

One of their leaders John Ress on the eve of the Iraq war was quoted as saying 'imperialism aims to bring stability to the Middle East'. Some stablity with millions of refugees from Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan.

The umbilical cord which will unite all the wars is Iran. It is bang in the middle.

That is the only logical explanation as to why they have all come out of the woodwork to attack with more venom and bile those who dare to ask questions about 9/11.

[Carlos]

couldn't help but put a reply in:

Mr Monbiot.

It's quite astounding how emotive you are towards people that are inclined to doubt government stories and intelligence...

"The more evidence US intelligence presents...the less credible the story becomes.

"First there was the car. A man had informed the police, we were told, that he'd had a furious argument with some suspicious looking Moslems in the parking lot at Boston airport. He led the investigators to the car, in which they found a copy of the Koran and a flight manual in Arabic (Flight manuals are 'always' in English), showing that these were the fundamentalists who had hijacked the planes.

"Now flying an aeroplane is not one of these things you learn in the back of a car on the way to the airport. Either you know how to do it or you don't.
"Leaving the Koran unattended, a Moslem friend tells me, is considered sinful.

"And if you were about to perpetrate one of the biggest terrorist outrages the world has ever seen, would you draw attention to yourself by arguing over a parking place?

"Then there is the passport. The security services claim that a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was extracted from the rubble of the World Trade Centre. This definitive identification might help them to track the rest of the network.

"We are being asked to believe that a paper document from the cockpit of the first plane - the epicentre of an inferno which vapourised steel - survived the fireball and fell to the ground almost intact."When presented with material like this, I can't help suspecting that intelligence agents have assembled the theory first, then sought the facts required to fit it...

"I think WE MIGHT HAVE SOME CAUSE TO REGARD THE NEW EVIDENCE AGAINST BIN LADEN WITH A MEASURE OF SCEPTICISM."

That was an article you wrote back in 2001, I'm really wondering what evidence you have seen that has made you change your mind in the last 5 years or so.

Because as far as I'm concerned that all still sounds very fishy.
Put this together with some of the other FACTS of that day we now know:
Minetta's testimony to the 911 commission, which was Omitted: that Cheney was warned of the plane heading towards the pentagon 50miles out, 30miles out, and at 10miles was asked directly "does the order still stand , Sir?" - what order would that be?.... the only logical conclusion is NOTHING!!!!

These are perfectly legitimate questions to ask, because they do not make sense. But no - you were just being a Moron I suppose

I put it to you, that you are the moron, by limiting yourself and writing off a whole avenue of discussion...

You really think that protesting against nuclear disarmament is gonna save this planet, I commend anyone that does, but it is just a small part of the solution - like with anything if you want to resolve it, you need to go to the root cause. Nuclear proliferation is just one of the many heads of the beast.

The US and UK governments have shown that they will do whatever they want, once they decide what their "program" is - I mean look at Tony this week: a judge said that the consultation for nuclear power was inadequate, within hours Tony was on TV saying that policy was not gonna change.. so you have to tackle the root cause: the power mechanisms.

911 goes to the heart of this, as it shows that our government's rather than being there to protect us, and be our secretary (Lockean analogy for the doctrine of a democratic state).
It has become a way of control and manipulation: with events such as 911 being catalysts for psychological change - as stated in the PNAC document.
So if we wake the people up to what the agenda really is - who do you think allows BAE to operate the way they do; Blair was directly involved as he stated in his Monthly address. This sort of arrogance comes when nobody asks the hard questions.

We need an intellectual and political revolution - and people like you spitting out the same old tired hatred does nothing for any cause!


here's the link to his article in 2001: http://society.guardian.co.uk/disasterresponse/comment/0,,557782,00.ht ml

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Monbiot's article has been published in Common Dreams as well.

http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0220-25.htm

[xmasdale]

Cem has sent us this:



http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=777



George Monbiot's Sour 9/11 Grapes

by George Monbiot, 20 February 2007


It stinks of desperation. George Monbiot, inveterate leftist of the
foundation financed environmentalist persuasion, has once again taken
a swing at the "conspiracy idiots" who believe government is capable
of mass murder, including the reflexive murder of its own subjects.

Not unlike his brethren, most notably Noam Chomsky and Alex Cockburn,
Monbiot buys the Ward Churchill version of events in regard to the
attacks of September 11, 2001—that is to say Osama and a small number
of cave-dwelling Wahhabi fanatics magically made NORAD stand down and
defied the immutable laws of physics, thus delivering one to the
conclusion a piece of paper cannot be slipped between Monbiot and the
moonstruck followers of the neocons, as they all buy the same Brothers
Grimm fairy tale.

"Why do I bother with these morons? Because they are destroying the
movements some of us have spent a long time trying to build,"
complains the former BBC employee. "Those of us who believe that the
crucial global issues—climate change, the Iraq war, nuclear
proliferation, inequality—are insufficiently debated in parliament or
congress, that corporate power stands too heavily on democracy, that
war criminals, cheats and liars are not being held to account, have
invested our efforts in movements outside the mainstream political
process. These, we are now discovering, are peculiarly susceptible to
this epidemic of gibberish."

In fact, Mr. Monbiot and his ilk are part and parcel of the
"mainstream political process," especially considering the degree of
foundation funding and support his cherished "movements" receive, from
the likes of the Ford, Schumann, Rockefeller, and MacArthur
foundations, to name but a handful.

Monbiot's "progressive" left was long ago sold down the river. In
effect, the foundation oiled "movements" so dear to Monbiot's heart
are completely and utterly ineffectual, having accomplished dreadful
little over the decades, and instead serve as a facile target of
convenience for Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Michael "Savage" Weiner,
Sean Hannity and the neocon fascists dominating the corporate media.

For all his effort and that of his pals, Monbiot has managed to make
the machine of progress, as he gauges it, turn in reverse. It is not
the 9/11 "morons" destroying Mr. Monbiot's "movements," but his own
enervated struggle, his own inability to understand reality and deal
with it, even as he has made a career out of complaint minus
substantial result.

According to Monbiot, questioning the official version of events,
replete with bad science and glaring omission, is "a displacement
activity" and avoidance "of the real issues we must confront," never
mind Monbiot and his fellows have confronted for decade after decade
"issues" they swear are "real," only to slide backward down a long
slope into the muck of irrelevance, made a laughingstock and a
cavalcade of clowns by the corporate media.

For Monbiot, the documentary Loose Change is a "concatenation of
ill-attested nonsense," never mind the good professor, from on-high at
Oxford Brookes University, does not bother to detail such
ill-attestation, caring only to tell us Benjamin Chertoff, the "senior
researcher" of Popular Mechanics tasked with slamming 9/11 research
far and wide, is not related to Michael Chertoff, a fact disputed by
none other than Benjamin's mother, Judy Dargan, in Pelham, New York.
"Yes, of course, he is a cousin," she told journalist Christopher
Bollyn.

Mr. Monbiot is determined to attack the "crazy distraction" that
supposedly "presents a mortal danger to popular oppositional
movements," never mind by and large such movements long ago went to
fossil precisely because of the inability of intellectual
doyens—represented by Chomsky, Cockburn, and Monbiot—to accept the
fact that, indeed, George Bush and the neocons—and yes, even the
faceless bureaucrats the progressives submit grant applications to
over at the Ford and Rockefeller foundations—are cold-blooded killers
who are determined to not only slaughter Iraqis as they did
Vietnamese, but no small number of innocent office workers on a sunny
morning in New York as well.

But not to despair, George, there is still time.

If you put aside your petty jealousies and hurt feelings and join the
9/11 truth movement you claim to despise, we actually may be able to
effectuate change before it is too late.

Short of that, and the possibility of the unthinkable now breathing
down our necks, we will know who will share the blame come the day
after.

[xmasdale]

The inconsistency of Monbiot is staggering. Just look at what he wrote in the Guardian in October 2001:

"There are plenty of reasons to be sceptical. The magical appearance of the terrorists' luggage, passports and flight manual looks rather too good to be true. The dossier of "evidence" purporting to establish Bin Laden's guilt consists largely of supposition and conjecture. The ration packs being dropped on Afghanistan have no conceivable purpose other than to create the false impression that starving people are being fed. Even the anthrax scare looks suspiciously convenient. Just as the hawks in Washington were losing the public argument about extending the war to other countries, journalists start receiving envelopes full of bacteria, which might as well have been labelled "a gift from Iraq". This could indeed be the work of terrorists, who may have their own reasons for widening the conflict, but there are plenty of other ruthless operators who would benefit from a shift in public opinion.

"Democracy is sustained not by public trust but by public scepticism. Unless we are prepared to question, to expose, to challenge and to dissent, we conspire in the demise of the system for which our governments are supposed to be fighting. The true defenders of America are those who are now being told that they are anti-American."

That was part of a longer article to be found here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,574809,00.html