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| London Mick wrote: | Why all the ridiculing of research done on the internet? It's the quickest and easiest way to get the facts and points one in the direction of further research if needed.
Here is an article about World Jewry's Declaration of War on Germany in 1933 before Hitler came to power.. Prior to this the Germans blamed Jewish financiers for the terrible depression years and the Versaille Treaty which decimated Germany industry..........
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles /jdecwar.html |
I guess one reason people like to actually like to read history books is that people have differing opinions on what exactly constitutes 'the facts'. And anyone can post anything on the internet and link it to anything else...academia may be flawed but has such things as peer review. I had a quick glance at that article and it says one or two things that some people might question...looks like there's some fascinating articles on the website as a whole...I especially liked the look of "Was Hitler really a dictator?" - might read that later for a laugh, so ta for the link...ooh, look and one saying concentration camps really weren't that bad -what's this? they were to "rehabilitate?"- nice find...best advert as to why you shouldn't believe everything you see on the web I've seen all week.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archivesindex.htm l
Any more hilarious pro-Hitler twaddle sites you can find, let me know - I find it quite entertaining.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: 911 was a Zionist Event |
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| stelios69 wrote: | | please dont confuse JEWS with ZIONISTS. |
I make they point that they are in an Elite. I do not know whether they are all Zionists as well. The Rothschild fiat counterfieting money racket was started long before Zionism was invented which IMO was a convenient way to appropriate the ME. Strange how Zionism and Oil came into view around the same time.
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London Mick
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yasu Stelios, who are we to confuse them with then? 
Did anyone actually click on the link I provided about the Jewish boycott of Germany in 1933?
It's obvious Dogsmilk didn't. Don't start getting lazy, folks! |
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rodin
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Dogsmilk wrote: | | London Mick wrote: | Why all the ridiculing of research done on the internet? It's the quickest and easiest way to get the facts and points one in the direction of further research if needed.
Here is an article about World Jewry's Declaration of War on Germany in 1933 before Hitler came to power.. Prior to this the Germans blamed Jewish financiers for the terrible depression years and the Versaille Treaty which decimated Germany industry..........
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles /jdecwar.html |
I guess one reason people like to actually like to read history books is that people have differing opinions on what exactly constitutes 'the facts'. And anyone can post anything on the internet and link it to anything else...academia may be flawed but has such things as peer review. I had a quick glance at that article and it says one or two things that some people might question...looks like there's some fascinating articles on the website as a whole...I especially liked the look of "Was Hitler really a dictator?" - might read that later for a laugh, so ta for the link...ooh, look and one saying concentration camps really weren't that bad -what's this? they were to "rehabilitate?"- nice find...best advert as to why you shouldn't believe everything you see on the web I've seen all week.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archivesindex.htm l
Any more hilarious pro-Hitler twaddle sites you can find, let me know - I find it quite entertaining. |
These days I would not trust a history book as far as I could spit
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London Mick
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, Dog, so you did click on the link. I wasn't interested in the rest of the website as you were but that was the only piece I could find on Google about the boycott. Of course we know who runs Google! |
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| dogsmilk wrote: | | On the first point, you bemoaned people getting annoyed about people questioning the holocaust when they should welcome debate...I was pointing out some scholars do welcome such debate. And they write the history but not the laws. |
I never mentioned scholars, though there seem to be precious few who are tolerated if they dissent from the official version of events. I was talking about people like yourself who make any reasonable questioning of very questionable events into a mud slinging party. Just look at your emotional and vitriolic language in the last few posts! You have bought the official version utterly and it annoys the hell out of you when others even wish to debate things. It is conceivable that you have been fed a pup and you are not automatically right in what you believe. Prove by reasoned debate what you have to say. All the references to Hitler being a monster could be levelled at the eugenic supporting, warmongering, elitist Churchill who boasted in Hansard that the gassing of Iraqi villages and the mass murder of civilians therein was good as it would keep them in their place. The difference is Churchill helped write the history books, though he mentioned nothing about plans to exterminate Jews or of mass murder centres in Germany or Poland. And he wrote a LOT about world war two. |
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| brian wrote: | lowlight, if you have no wish to discuss it fair enough but please do not treat others as deserving of your pity. They are not and there is nothing cut and dried regards this subject.
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Don't tell me .... you want a new independent enquiry into the whole Holocaust issue, to clear up all the anomalies?
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| Ignatz wrote: | | brian wrote: | lowlight, if you have no wish to discuss it fair enough but please do not treat others as deserving of your pity. They are not and there is nothing cut and dried regards this subject.
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Don't tell me .... you want a new independent enquiry into the whole Holocaust issue, to clear up all the anomalies? |
Don't tell me.... you want to make it a crime to even enquire.
There IS nothing cut and dried about this subject, even if we were to rely on the official/acceptable versions only. That is a simple matter of fact. |
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Dogsmilk
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| blackcat wrote: | | dogsmilk wrote: | | On the first point, you bemoaned people getting annoyed about people questioning the holocaust when they should welcome debate...I was pointing out some scholars do welcome such debate. And they write the history but not the laws. |
I never mentioned scholars, though there seem to be precious few who are tolerated if they dissent from the official version of events. I was talking about people like yourself who make any reasonable questioning of very questionable events into a mud slinging party. Just look at your emotional and vitriolic language in the last few posts! You have bought the official version utterly and it annoys the hell out of you when others even wish to debate things. It is conceivable that you have been fed a pup and you are not automatically right in what you believe. Prove by reasoned debate what you have to say. All the references to Hitler being a monster could be levelled at the eugenic supporting, warmongering, elitist Churchill who boasted in Hansard that the gassing of Iraqi villages and the mass murder of civilians therein was good as it would keep them in their place. The difference is Churchill helped write the history books, though he mentioned nothing about plans to exterminate Jews or of mass murder centres in Germany or Poland. And he wrote a LOT about world war two. |
I fully agree Churchill was a bit of an arse - he was a racist, egotist and a bigot and you're dead right about his 'let's gas the Iraqis' tactic. Doesn't make Hitler one bit better, though. Hitler was a monster, and pointing out Churchill, Pol Pot or George Bush did some grim deeds too does not change that. I don't believe in patriotism (primitive primate group instinct) or that 'we' are 'better' - it's that kind of thinking that allows people like Hitler to exist. Can't comment specifically on what Churchill did or didn't say - never read him - never got round to it - don't even know how much he commented on atrocities and human suffering generally or if he just wrote primarily about the strategic stuff. Would you recommend it?
If I came across as markedly emotional or vitriolic, that wasn't my particular intention, but if I did, so be it.
But you still haven't explained what you meant about the Jews 'declaring war' on Hitler and why you feel it to be so significant.
I don't object to the debate existing at all (though I've said before I have concerns on the effects of it being in this forum which have nothing to do with my actual views on the subject) - but you appear not to like the fact I disagree with your conclusion and am highly suspicious (to put it mildly) with the political agenda of many of the websites that much of this stuff is carried on. In fact, it strikes me that expressing disagreement with the 'revisionist thesis' invokes quite a lot of vitriolic replies aimed back in this direction. If you're going to be automatically suspicious of 'official' history, it makes no sense if you're not as automatically suspicious of 'alternative' versions you get on the internet.
In fact, as I said in my first post, I originally intended to leave this thread alone, but I do find myself somewhat drawn to making replies to posts people address to me. So I'll try to leave you to it. In all honesty, I haven't the time nor inclination to get embroiled in a prolonged 'did-the-holocaust-happen-and-is-the-world-run-by-a-big-'Zionist'-plot ' debate as I struggle enough to keep abreast of 911 stuff and can't be arsed leafing through books and doing 'link wars'. You have fun and play safe.
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Disco_Destroyer
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| Quote: | | disco_destroyer wrote: | | Your not going to win over anybody with the 'I know best' attitude and to think Scholarly books and sources are not to be biased is pretty short sighted |
You've read their work before deciding they're biased, right?
And your 'revisionist' sources are demonstrably bastions of detached and impartial objectivity?
| disco_destroyer wrote: | If this book was written by Franz Stangl then you'd have a point, but then again (without hard proof) I'd say Mein Kampf has been doctered as I think only 2 originals survive Razz
Also it takes 2 to tango those that fought in the war on both sides where good honest men doing (like in Iraq) what they thought was right, They are not the 'Child Spawn of Satan'. Sure there are bad eggs (but then how do you kill without falsified severe hatred) but they are on all sides of the Battlefield! I'm also sure had the Nazis won just as in Roman liturature that we'd be reading similar 'Stories' about us! |
Who has suggested either book has been doctored? There is evidence of this? (other than them saying things you perhaps don't want to hear) Why would you doctor mein kamf? To make it more rubbish than it is already?
It's a very good point about 'spawn of satan', though - there's ample evidence (just check out the reams of research in psychology) that pretty much anyone can do monstrous things under specific circumstances and terrible things happen all round in war - if the Germans had won it's likely we'd have been shamed for, say, the Dresden bombings. And some people would be writing stuff on the internet saying they never happened.
You're right - the Romans did terrible things - Caesar massacred thousands of Gauls to name but one. But that the nazis weren't unique in committing atrocities doesn't mean they weren't atrocities nonetheless.
People often point out the allies did nasty things - they did - but how this makes the nazis any better themselves is beyond me.
Respect to kbo234 for deciding look into the literature before jumping to conclusions.
Gaw, I find myself posting on yet another thread talking about the holocaust. Jews this, holocaust that - this forum has taken a very strange turn.
I'm leaving this alone now; if people want to play into the hands of neo-nazis, that's their business.
ZOG indeed - what a pile of arse. |
All I'm going to say is that when one refers to Nazis or National Socialists, people immediately think they are the pure imbodyment of Evil which is utter rubbish. People from all walks of life filled posts in the party! It is wrong to be classing everybody who fought for the Nazis as Evil! Otherwise it would also make Bush/Bliar right in saying all Muslims are Evil and want to Rule the world and it would also make Muslims right to say all us Westerners are Evil and want to Rule the world!
Steven Spielberg tactfully questions the Official line surrounding the Auschwitz Gas Chambers in Shindlers List which surprised the hell out of me!
Also the Allies perpetrated far more atrocities than just Dresden. It would seem we still do after all the Geneva Convention looks marvellous on paper!
What people need to appreciate more is in being our enemy Nazism had to be crushed and the only way to do that is Demonize every aspect of their existance even though it is just a form of Governance.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well, there you go. After seething a bit I've nothing to add to Dogsmilk's comments.
Have a look at his signature. Reich was chased out by the Nazis and I think he knew what he was talking about. He exposed tyranny everywhere right down to its sexual root.
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