MoD paid psychics £18k to locate Bin Laden

[TonyGosling]

Defence chiefs spent £18k on mystic experiment to find Bin Laden's lair
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_artic le_id=438186&in_page_id=1770
23rd February 2007

The hunt for his secret lair has long baffled the finest military minds.

But now it has been claimed psychics were recruited by the Ministry of Defence to locate Osama Bin Laden.

Newly declassified documents revealed that the MoD conducted an experiment to find if volunteers could "see" objects hidden inside an envelope.

And it is suggested the ministry hoped positive results would allow it to use psychics to "remotely view" Bin Laden's base and also to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

However, after running up a bill of £18,000 of taxpayers money, defence chiefs concluded there was "little value" in using psychic powers in the defence of the nation and the research was taken no further.

The investigation was conducted in 2002, the year after the invasion of Afghanistan when Bin Laden's Houdini-like ability to evade capture was becoming increasingly embarrassing for British and U.S. commanders.

The study involved blindfolding test subjects and asking them to "see" the contents of sealed brown envelopes containing pictures of objects and public figures.

The MoD tried to recruit 12 "known" psychics who advertised their abilities on the Internet, but when they all refused they were forced to use "novice" volunteers.

The report, released under the Freedom of Information Act, shows 28 per cent of those tested managed to correctly guess the contents of the envelopes, which included pictures of a knife and Mother Teresa.

But most subjects, who were holed up in a secret location for the study, were hopelessly off the mark. One even fell asleep while he tried to focus on the envelope's content.

A former MoD employee who received a copy of the report said the timing of the study must have been related to military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Nick Pope, who worked at the ministry for 21 years, said: "It can only be speculation, but you don't employ that kind of time and effort to find money down the back of the sofa.

"You go to this trouble for high-value assets. We must be talking about Bin Laden and weapons of mass destruction."

The MoD has defended its decision to fund the secret tests, despite the questionable use of taxpayers" money.

A spokesman said: "The remote viewing study was conducted to assess claims made in some academic circles and to validate research carried out by other nations on psychic ability. The study concluded that remote viewing theories had little value to the MoD and was taken no further."

And Mr Pope said: "I don't think this was a waste of public money. Many people will say so, but I think it is marvellous that the Government is prepared to think outside the box. And this is as outside the box as it gets."

[uselesseater]

£18k for some remote viewing is represents value for money compared to most other schemes. £600m to tell people switch over to digital TV, now theres money well spent, can't be without your telescreen.

[rodin]

I see a tall dark handsome man - wait - there's two of them and one is a bit chubbier...

[Banish]

Couldn't they just email him in heaven?

[TonyGosling]

Rivero - the best as ever
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

Osama bin Laden:
A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December [2001] and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama's gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama's ghost alive or because they have no means of communication.
With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival? [New York Times. July 11, 2002]
Bin Laden has often been reported to be in poor health. Some accounts claim that he is suffering from Hepatitis C, and can expect to live for only two more years. According to Le Figaro, last year [2000] he ordered a mobile dialysis machine to be delivered to his base at Kandahar in Afghanistan. [Guardian]


Peter Bergen: Bin Laden has aged 'enormously'
This is a man who was clearly not well. I mean, as you see from these pictures here, he's really, by December [2001] he's looking pretty terrible.



Bin Laden December 27, 2001 video



Healthy bin Laden

But by December, of course, that tape that was aired then, he's barely moving the left side of his body. So he's clearly got diabetes. He has low blood pressure. He's got a wound in his foot. He's apparently got dialysis ... for kidney problems. [CNN]

[Banish]

During "ww2" a pyschic woman who, ahem, "remeotely viewed" a sunken british ship and revealed the details, was tried and hung as a witch - the last such trial. She was exhonerated recently.

[Bongo]

Tony, I seriously doubt Osama bin Laden is dead! He will be living it up in Barbados or somewhere like that with a huge pay-off for services rendered.

[xmasdale]

[blackcat]

[TonyGosling]

Ailing bin Laden ‘treated secretly for kidney disease’

In July 2001 he clearly wasn't a well man, probably had a bit too much of 'mama's apple pie'.

Ailing bin Laden ‘treated secretly for kidney disease’
http://www.wanttoknow.info/011101londontimes
London Times

Edition 5L THU 01 NOV 2001, Page 5

Ailing bin Laden ‘treated secretly for kidney disease’

ADAM SAGE IN PARIS; OVERSEAS NEWS

KIDNEY stones rather than Stealth bombers could deal a mortal blow to Osama bin Laden it appeared yesterday after reports that the al-Qaeda leader recently smuggled himself into an expensive Gulf hospital. Needing urgent treatment for his ailing kidneys, bin Laden, 44, is said to have checked into the American Hospital in Dubai in July. Among those with him, it is thought, was Dr Ayman Zawahiri, who as well as being his personal physician is al-Qaeda's second-in-command.

The report in Le Figaro and on Radio France International said that bin Laden had stayed in hospital for ten days. There have been persistent rumours about the frailty of bin Laden's health. In recent videos he is generally not seen moving about. When he does take a few steps it is with the aid of a cane. Aides blame a back injury. Intelligence sources believe that bin Laden bought a dialysis machine earlier this year which he had shipped to Kandahar. His problem now will be operating such equipment and the risk of infection if, as seems likely, he is hiding out in Afghan mountains.

Last year the magazine Asiaweek said bin Laden was dying of a kidney disease. In desperation he is said to have turned to the United Arab Emirates, one of the three governments that recognised the Taleban regime. Bin Laden is known to have influential supporters in the Emirates and to have kept substantial funds in bank accounts there. He is believed to have flown out of Dubai on the morning of the September 11 hijackings.

According to Western diplomatic sources the UAE was the nearest safe destination for bin Laden to get the high quality, modern and urgent treatment he needed. Quoting an unnamed manager at the American Hospital, Le Figaro said that bin Laden arrived in Dubai on July 4 accompanied by four bodyguards, an Algerian male nurse and Dr Zawahiri, who stayed at his side at all times. They had flown to Dubai from Quetta in Pakistan. The newspaper said that bin Laden was treated in the urology department, run by Terry Callaway, a Canadian-trained doctor, and left on July 14. Dr Callaway is a specialist in kidney stones and male infertility.

During his stay, Le Figaro said, bin Laden was visited by a CIA agent. One source said that the US agent was "recognised taking the main lift in the hospital to go to Osama bin Laden's room". The agent was recalled to the US on July 15, the day after bin Laden left hospital, the newspaper said. The CIA last night flatly denied the report. Its spokeswoman, Anya Guelsher, said that it was "complete nonsense".

A diplomatic source said earlier: "There are lots of rumours flying around Dubai. At first sight, it seems highly unlikely that a member of the CIA would go and knock on bin Laden's hospital bedroom door." Bernard Koval, the director of the 100-bed hospital that opened in 1995, also denied that bin Laden had been a patient there. Dr Callaway was unavailable for comment.

Intelligence sources in France also questioned yesterday what US agents did with information that Paris passed to America about bin Laden's terrorist ambitions just a few days before September 11. One of his lieutenants, Djamel Beghal, a French-Algerian, who had been arrested in Dubai on his way back from Afghanistan to Europe, allegedly told police that he had been told by al-Qaeda to plan a terrorist attack on the US Embassy in Paris. Le Figaro said that on September 7 the French intelligence service met embassy officials in Paris to pass on the information.

[rodin]

How come a 44 year old freedom fighter got into that state? Not like he was the chubby one either...

[conspiracy analyst]

just need to go to the Oscars this weekend.
Hollywood produces a lot of fiction.

Thats where the BBC will go but wont find Bin Laden.

Everyone though knows hes there.